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Burt06
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lets hope they say no

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/657883/EU-referendum-Brexit-Holland-vote-Britain-leave-Brussels

i see cuddles dave has already signed us up thoughPlainPlain
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Report ebulGery • April 6, 2016 8:21 PM BST
If the EU want us to stay in then allow us to control our own border....simples

otherwise we must come out
Report Burton-Brewers • April 6, 2016 8:30 PM BST
the vote is about the Ukraine joining the EU but it seems to be passing most people by which is just what they want
Report G1_Jockey_4 • April 6, 2016 8:33 PM BST
rather eu migrants coming in than non eu tbh....and we should be able to keep those numbers low but we dont.

over 2 mil non eu immigrants compared to 1.7 eu immigrants.

the eu migrant issue is a flawed argument
Report ebulGery • April 6, 2016 8:40 PM BST
Why we let in non EU mass immigration is beyond me?????????????????????

Everything we see in this World, everything we see in History, tells us one thing

Mass Immigration is bad news....why do our politicians not see this

They must have other agendas they don't tell us


It don't say that in the title of that link BB

whether Ukraine joins the EU or not is up to the Ukrainians not us
Report Burton-Brewers • April 6, 2016 8:41 PM BST
jockey the number of EU migrants is above 2 million, and that is only those that are working. The Ukraine is poorer than Poland so how many of those are going to want to head here?
Report ebulGery • April 6, 2016 8:42 PM BST
A lot I suspect...we gotta leave pronto
Report Burton-Brewers • April 6, 2016 8:45 PM BST
it isn't up to the Ukrainians EG it is up to the EU and they have already agreed to it in principle as has Cameron. I believe only the Dutch and French are against it but only the Dutch are asking their people.
Report ebulGery • April 6, 2016 8:47 PM BST
I see..you read the link I did not
Report G1_Jockey_4 • April 6, 2016 8:50 PM BST
the figures show 1.7mil.

there are more non eu immigrants so if thats one of the arguments its a flawed one.

the terroirism angle is flawed too.
we are surrounded by water so coming in isnt easy....anyone who doesnt look european or has a non european name is likelyto be "scrutinised " more than a european.

well of course hans may turn jihadist so lets just stop eu migrants.
terrorists are more likely to get in via other countries where there is less likely data on them.

one thing on the continent is their open borders is an issue for THEM....we dont have open borders.
Report HH Sultan Vinegar • April 6, 2016 8:50 PM BST
64% of Dutch voters say no to ratifying EU-Ukraine deal – exit poll (according to RT)
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https://www.rt.com/news/338694-dutch-referendum-ukraine-eu/
Report ebulGery • April 6, 2016 8:51 PM BST
They have the same problem as us, the Dutch and French have to let them in, if Holland and France stay in the EU?
Report Burton-Brewers • April 6, 2016 8:53 PM BST
no Iknew about it last week we had emails from UKIP. Nigel has gone to do some speeches and try and persuade the Dutch to reject the Ukraine deal, however the EU have said the referendum the Dutch are having is not legally binding and they can ignore it.
Report G1_Jockey_4 • April 6, 2016 8:54 PM BST
ukraine citizens wont be allowed to work here or other eu countries btw.
Report Burt06 • April 6, 2016 8:54 PM BST
they will in time
Report G1_Jockey_4 • April 6, 2016 8:55 PM BST
holland could leave the eu but i doubt france will.

they are in sh1t if they do.

we are ina  dodgy position if we do.
Report G1_Jockey_4 • April 6, 2016 8:56 PM BST
oh they will in time when the eu gets enough access to their resources at tarrif free prices.
Report ebulGery • April 6, 2016 8:57 PM BST
Russia wants the Ukraine if nobody else does
Report Burton-Brewers • April 6, 2016 8:58 PM BST
jockey the vote in Holland today is not about them leaving the EU it is about Ukraine joining
Report G1_Jockey_4 • April 6, 2016 9:00 PM BST
i know that
but it could trigger a referendum in or out.

think they will see sense regarding that unless they are arrogant enough to think it wont affect them....bit like their footballers so its possible.
Report G1_Jockey_4 • April 6, 2016 9:01 PM BST
ukraine and russia were 1 not so long ago.

was an odd move to try and step on russia toes....wonder why cameron oked it?
Report Burton-Brewers • April 6, 2016 9:04 PM BST
pressure from the USA they want the Ukraine as another friend on Russia's doorstep that is why they are terrified of an EU break up
Report ebulGery • April 6, 2016 10:14 PM BST
The US wants to bring Russia down. It sees it as too powerful, the same with China.

The US wants to establish itself as the supreme World Power and enforce its values on everyone. This country co operates with this sadly.

The US has become incredibly risk adverse, it sees this as part of protecting itself. I think it has become corrupted by its own power.

I support Russia and China in opposing the US, I prefer balances of power. I also prefer a world where each country has its own values,

otherwise we risk a 1984 World.
Report ebulGery • April 6, 2016 10:23 PM BST
The US itself is all powerful but not particularly stable. It seems to be in permanent war with it's own black population,

it is being invaded by the Hispanics, half the country want to shoot one another, the other half want to marry someone

of their own sex.

It does have some fantastic science. A lot of Americans are decent people, but it seems such an extreme country at times.

It is a collection of foreigners it has no real history. It broke from us a 100 years too early in my opinion.

I personally wish it would go back to isolationism, the World needs it a lot less than it thinks.
Report Burt06 • April 6, 2016 11:15 PM BST
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Report Burt06 • April 6, 2016 11:16 PM BST
64% have voted fack off EUSSR

here is the market for what happens next

4/7 - the dutch government ignores the will of its people

evens - the EUSSR make them vote again

33/1 - the democratic will of the people is followed
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