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If the EU want us to stay in then allow us to control our own border....simples
otherwise we must come out |
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the vote is about the Ukraine joining the EU but it seems to be passing most people by which is just what they want
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rather eu migrants coming in than non eu tbh....and we should be able to keep those numbers low but we dont.
over 2 mil non eu immigrants compared to 1.7 eu immigrants. the eu migrant issue is a flawed argument |
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Why we let in non EU mass immigration is beyond me?????????????????????
Everything we see in this World, everything we see in History, tells us one thing Mass Immigration is bad news....why do our politicians not see this They must have other agendas they don't tell us It don't say that in the title of that link BB whether Ukraine joins the EU or not is up to the Ukrainians not us |
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jockey the number of EU migrants is above 2 million, and that is only those that are working. The Ukraine is poorer than Poland so how many of those are going to want to head here?
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A lot I suspect...we gotta leave pronto
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it isn't up to the Ukrainians EG it is up to the EU and they have already agreed to it in principle as has Cameron. I believe only the Dutch and French are against it but only the Dutch are asking their people.
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I see..you read the link I did not
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the figures show 1.7mil.
there are more non eu immigrants so if thats one of the arguments its a flawed one. the terroirism angle is flawed too. we are surrounded by water so coming in isnt easy....anyone who doesnt look european or has a non european name is likelyto be "scrutinised " more than a european. well of course hans may turn jihadist so lets just stop eu migrants. terrorists are more likely to get in via other countries where there is less likely data on them. one thing on the continent is their open borders is an issue for THEM....we dont have open borders. |
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64% of Dutch voters say no to ratifying EU-Ukraine deal – exit poll (according to RT)
. https://www.rt.com/news/338694-dutch-referendum-ukraine-eu/ |
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They have the same problem as us, the Dutch and French have to let them in, if Holland and France stay in the EU?
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no Iknew about it last week we had emails from UKIP. Nigel has gone to do some speeches and try and persuade the Dutch to reject the Ukraine deal, however the EU have said the referendum the Dutch are having is not legally binding and they can ignore it.
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ukraine citizens wont be allowed to work here or other eu countries btw.
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they will in time
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holland could leave the eu but i doubt france will.
they are in sh1t if they do. we are ina dodgy position if we do. |
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oh they will in time when the eu gets enough access to their resources at tarrif free prices.
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Russia wants the Ukraine if nobody else does
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jockey the vote in Holland today is not about them leaving the EU it is about Ukraine joining
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i know that
but it could trigger a referendum in or out. think they will see sense regarding that unless they are arrogant enough to think it wont affect them....bit like their footballers so its possible. |
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ukraine and russia were 1 not so long ago.
was an odd move to try and step on russia toes....wonder why cameron oked it? |
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pressure from the USA they want the Ukraine as another friend on Russia's doorstep that is why they are terrified of an EU break up
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The US wants to bring Russia down. It sees it as too powerful, the same with China.
The US wants to establish itself as the supreme World Power and enforce its values on everyone. This country co operates with this sadly. The US has become incredibly risk adverse, it sees this as part of protecting itself. I think it has become corrupted by its own power. I support Russia and China in opposing the US, I prefer balances of power. I also prefer a world where each country has its own values, otherwise we risk a 1984 World. |
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The US itself is all powerful but not particularly stable. It seems to be in permanent war with it's own black population,
it is being invaded by the Hispanics, half the country want to shoot one another, the other half want to marry someone of their own sex. It does have some fantastic science. A lot of Americans are decent people, but it seems such an extreme country at times. It is a collection of foreigners it has no real history. It broke from us a 100 years too early in my opinion. I personally wish it would go back to isolationism, the World needs it a lot less than it thinks. |
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64% have voted fack off EUSSR
here is the market for what happens next 4/7 - the dutch government ignores the will of its people evens - the EUSSR make them vote again 33/1 - the democratic will of the people is followed |