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Dr Crippen 28 Mar 16 19:54
I can see we'll get nowhere with Mikael whatever his name is.
He's obviously an apologist for terrorism.
Using this logic, you must be an apologist for murder.
I can see we'll get nowhere with Mikael whatever his name is.
He's obviously an apologist for terrorism.
Using this logic, you must be an apologist for murder.
... which given your most tasteful username should surprise nobody.
Who are you trying to protect by playing down the situation in Europe Arse Hole?
why just gun deaths ?
we have already established its comparing apples with oranges
we have already established its comparing apples with oranges
Who are you trying to protect by playing down the situation in the US, bell end?
Let's see your figures...
Let's see your figures...
Dr Crippen 28 Mar 16 20:01
I'd like to see your face.
Why so, Cretin?
I'd like to see your face.
Why so, Cretin?
breadnbutter 28 Mar 16 20:01
why just gun deaths ?
we have already established its comparing apples with oranges
No we haven't. You said it was.
If the USA is safer than Europe, let's see the figures...
why just gun deaths ?
we have already established its comparing apples with oranges
No we haven't. You said it was.
If the USA is safer than Europe, let's see the figures...
Why do you want to see my face Cretin? If you have a crush on me, I should let you know, I'm married.
Are you more or less likely to die a violent death tomorrow if you lived in the UK or the USA, EO?
The US by a significant amount mikael. Equally in this country you are more likely to be mugged or stabbed. But you miss my point. America has always been a high crime country. We have only become so over the last 50 or so years beginning at an incredibly low point and shooting off in to the stratosphere.
The US by a significant amount mikael. Equally in this country you are more likely to be mugged or stabbed. But you miss my point. America has always been a high crime country. We have only become so over the last 50 or so years beginning at an incredibly low point and shooting off in to the stratosphere.
But has it really descended to this? Older people brought up in a law abiding civilised country are now expected to be grateful that we don't yet have murder rates as high as the only country to go from barbarism to degeneracy without pausing for civility?
Really?
Really?
I don't miss your point at all, EO. You should acknowledge that in our rush to embrace American culture, we've become violent like them.
Dr Crippen 28 Mar 16 20:06
How many wives have you got Arse Hole?
I have one wife, bell end. All I've ever had. She's of legal age too.
Dr Crippen 28 Mar 16 20:06
How many wives have you got Arse Hole?
I have one wife, bell end. All I've ever had. She's of legal age too.
Eeternaloptimist 28 Mar 16 20:09
But has it really descended to this? Older people brought up in a law abiding civilised country are now expected to be grateful that we don't yet have murder rates as high as the only country to go from barbarism to degeneracy without pausing for civility?
Really?
Not exactly, but when a c*nt like Trump says Europe isn't safe he ought to look at his own cesspit first.
But has it really descended to this? Older people brought up in a law abiding civilised country are now expected to be grateful that we don't yet have murder rates as high as the only country to go from barbarism to degeneracy without pausing for civility?
Really?
Not exactly, but when a c*nt like Trump says Europe isn't safe he ought to look at his own cesspit first.
You don't seem to accept that Europe isn't safe anymore.
All you can do is point to America as if you're trying to deflect attention away from Europe.
All you can do is point to America as if you're trying to deflect attention away from Europe.
I respect your right to see Trump in whatever way you want Mikael but he is the one politician there or here who is pinpointing a problem and outlining policies to address the problem. Both Mexicans and Muslims have significant minorities within them who present a problem. Which isn't the same as saying they are all a problem. Just that on balance the problem the minority does represent is arguably significant enough to wish to stem the flow of these people.
As for America being a cesspit that is the kind of language very much prevalent on the left who have never forgiven America for being the great country it became. I'm not sure if all of them would rather the Soviets prevailed but I'm sure many of them do. It isn't a cesspit. The areas which are cesspits tend to be those dominated by uneducated and violent Hispanics and Blacks. Which returns us to the issue. Is immigration in itself enriching or is it immigration from certain groups which is enriching and immigration from others which is a net detriment to a country?
As for America being a cesspit that is the kind of language very much prevalent on the left who have never forgiven America for being the great country it became. I'm not sure if all of them would rather the Soviets prevailed but I'm sure many of them do. It isn't a cesspit. The areas which are cesspits tend to be those dominated by uneducated and violent Hispanics and Blacks. Which returns us to the issue. Is immigration in itself enriching or is it immigration from certain groups which is enriching and immigration from others which is a net detriment to a country?
Europe has never been completely safe Mikael. As I pointed out though if you go back in to our history and look at recorded crime it remains very low throughout the 20th century and takes off in the 60's. It may be coincidence that this coincides with the era of mass immigration or it might not. I don't know.
When was Europe safe?
Is that another apology for terrorism?
Is that another apology for terrorism?
those of you that think America is some kind of hell on earth should try living there first
Mar 28, 2016 -- 9:03PM, Mikael D'Haguenet wrote:
breadnbutter 28 Mar 16 20:01 why just gun deaths ? we have already established its comparing apples with orangesNo we haven't. You said it was. If the USA is safer than Europe, let's see the figures...
being "safe" is defined by how likely you are to be murdered ?
assessing likely risk to all crime is the only stat that would be relevant,so include knife crime,rape ,serious assaults ect ect ect then your talking .
Some might argue that a population of defenseless , passive ,wishy washy wet lettuces cuts crime .
It is also the perception of safety which is relevant. If you have spent your life amongst cut throat jakes as have generations of your family then your perception of safety is likely to be different than if you are a little old lady who was brought up in a bucolic country with very low crime rates and you suddenly find yourself living cheek by jowl with young male "victims" of civil war in Africa.
Dr Crippen 28 Mar 16 20:25
Is that another apology for terrorism?
Yes. Yes, it is.
Burton-Brewers 28 Mar 16 20:26
those of you that think America is some kind of hell on earth should try living there first
I have.
breadnbutter 28 Mar 16 20:33
being "safe" is defined by how likely you are to be murdered ?
assessing likely risk to all crime is the only stat that would be relevant,so include knife crime,rape ,serious assaults ect ect ect then your talking .
I genuinely didn't know this before you posted but I looked it up. Take a guess which country has the higher reported rape rate, USA or UK...
As for knife-crime, I didn't bother looking but who turns up at a gunfight with a knife?
Eeternaloptimist 28 Mar 16 20:39
It is also the perception of safety which is relevant. If you have spent your life amongst cut throat jakes as have generations of your family then your perception of safety is likely to be different than if you are a little old lady who was brought up in a bucolic country with very low crime rates and you suddenly find yourself living cheek by jowl with young male "victims" of civil war in Africa.
Good post.
Judging by the use of the word 'reported,' I'm going to stick my neck out and guess it's the latter.
if you torture stats enough they will admit to anything
back to changing someone's username who dares to disagree with you eo, how very grown up of you 
. im not hard of thinking at all, i'm intelligent, educated and have a mind of my own. if rudeness is all you've got then you aint got much at all.
far higher levels of civility in america in your opinion but not mine for the reasons ive already stated. although maybe i'm coming round to that view as i find you so uncivil
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according to government figures our crime rate was on a downawrd trend from the mid 90s and now with a new methodology crime has doubled in a year. this is yet another area where you can skew the figures any way you want. if youve read the telegraph report today it is really comparing apples and oranges with a misleading headline to boot.
the point is trump said something to be controversial and get more headlines so it will work for him as usual. if it stops yanks from travelling here then he isnt helping us imo. he is exploiting and exagerating a problem for his own gain regardless of the truth of the matter. balance, nuance and reasoned argument arent concepts that bother trump.
. im not hard of thinking at all, i'm intelligent, educated and have a mind of my own. if rudeness is all you've got then you aint got much at all. far higher levels of civility in america in your opinion but not mine for the reasons ive already stated. although maybe i'm coming round to that view as i find you so uncivil
.according to government figures our crime rate was on a downawrd trend from the mid 90s and now with a new methodology crime has doubled in a year. this is yet another area where you can skew the figures any way you want. if youve read the telegraph report today it is really comparing apples and oranges with a misleading headline to boot.
the point is trump said something to be controversial and get more headlines so it will work for him as usual. if it stops yanks from travelling here then he isnt helping us imo. he is exploiting and exagerating a problem for his own gain regardless of the truth of the matter. balance, nuance and reasoned argument arent concepts that bother trump.
my son has been there since last year, and it seems highly unlikely he will come back to the UK he says there is no comparison.
breadnbutter 28 Mar 16 21:07
if you torture stats enough they will admit to anything
Less chance of being tortured by the British govt than the US version.
if you torture stats enough they will admit to anything
Less chance of being tortured by the British govt than the US version.
Burton-Brewers 28 Mar 16 21:11
my son has been there since last year, and it seems highly unlikely he will come back to the UK he says there is no comparison.
Good for him. He must like superficiality. I don't.
my son has been there since last year, and it seems highly unlikely he will come back to the UK he says there is no comparison.
Good for him. He must like superficiality. I don't.
need some facts/stats here just pulling phrases out out arse doesnt really cut it
I've provided stats, brendan. Sources too. Anecdotal evidence is hard to beat though!
I don't blame him BB.
We now live in a country where you can put your life on the line
& fight for it - but can be abused by muslims & left wing clowns on
your home coming.
I know it's bred into some but why on earth would you want to sign up to
protect this once great country when you know you'll get treated like
sh!t - & left to live on the streets in some cases!
We now live in a country where you can put your life on the line
& fight for it - but can be abused by muslims & left wing clowns on
your home coming.
I know it's bred into some but why on earth would you want to sign up to
protect this once great country when you know you'll get treated like
sh!t - & left to live on the streets in some cases!
yeah i was replying to a post half way up. You are only one to try and put some substance to it
Maybe Trump was worried about UK domestic violence towards women which is only type i see rising iand for that he should be applauded
Maybe Trump was worried about UK domestic violence towards women which is only type i see rising iand for that he should be applauded
point about NOT judging America until you can comprehend the size and diversity of the place and its people is a good one ,NY,Chicago and Boston are not really indicative of averages in the US IMO.
yet prob make up a huge percentage of the crime stats
yet prob make up a huge percentage of the crime stats
Surely there is greater size and diversity in Europe than the US? I'm sure the European stats are skewed by London, Paris etc.
prob there is every country is using diff ways ect of compiling stuff ,crime stats are a minefield
Not to you BnB - you just ignore 'em unless they agree with you!
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http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/news/articles/2016/new-analysis-method-makes-increasing-rate-of-violent-crime-visible/
They found the rate of domestic violence has been increasing since 2009. The rate of violence against women has also been increasing since 2009. But violent crime against men is still decreasing.
The rate of violent crime overall has started to increase since 2009, driven by the changes in domestic violent crime and in violent crime against women.
These findings contradict the official view that violent crime in England and Wales is continuing to fall. This increase is concentrated among ‘high frequency’ victims - those who experience multiple attacks.
The research finds that domestic violent crime and violent crime against women have been increasing since 2009. Before this, these forms of violent crime had been falling since the mid-1990s. The change point, from decrease to increase, coincides with the start of the economic crisis.
http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/news/articles/2016/new-analysis-method-makes-increasing-rate-of-violent-crime-visible/
They found the rate of domestic violence has been increasing since 2009. The rate of violence against women has also been increasing since 2009. But violent crime against men is still decreasing.
The rate of violent crime overall has started to increase since 2009, driven by the changes in domestic violent crime and in violent crime against women.
These findings contradict the official view that violent crime in England and Wales is continuing to fall. This increase is concentrated among ‘high frequency’ victims - those who experience multiple attacks.
The research finds that domestic violent crime and violent crime against women have been increasing since 2009. Before this, these forms of violent crime had been falling since the mid-1990s. The change point, from decrease to increase, coincides with the start of the economic crisis.
extrapolating meaningful data from crime stats is fraught with danger .
In brendans example i would suggest there has been an increase in reported violence and a much higher conviction rate ,i doubt the actual acts of crime have increased since 2009 but just a hunch .
extrapolating trends is where its got a meaningful purpose but you need some sort of control stats as well
In brendans example i would suggest there has been an increase in reported violence and a much higher conviction rate ,i doubt the actual acts of crime have increased since 2009 but just a hunch .
extrapolating trends is where its got a meaningful purpose but you need some sort of control stats as well
Trump said..
lots of the free world has become weak.
Is he wrong Left Wingers????????????????????????????????????
lots of the free world has become weak.
Is he wrong Left Wingers????????????????????????????????????
Left Winger's V Islamic State
Not sure who's the most damageable to the UK
Not sure who's the most damageable to the UK
if rudeness is all you've got then you aint got much at all.
far higher levels of civility in america in your opinion but not mine for the reasons ive already stated. although maybe i'm coming round to that view as i find you so uncivil
Well hang on a cotton picking minute there Bucko. You were the one who came on to the politics forum picking a fight and twice I let it go and sought to maintain cordiality. Only when it became clear that you saw this as weakness and continued to chance your arm did I fold you in half and you ran away. I'm more than happy to debate intelligently with people who keep things civil. People like yourself who want to play with a grenade with the pin out get their arms blown off.
far higher levels of civility in america in your opinion but not mine for the reasons ive already stated. although maybe i'm coming round to that view as i find you so uncivil
Well hang on a cotton picking minute there Bucko. You were the one who came on to the politics forum picking a fight and twice I let it go and sought to maintain cordiality. Only when it became clear that you saw this as weakness and continued to chance your arm did I fold you in half and you ran away. I'm more than happy to debate intelligently with people who keep things civil. People like yourself who want to play with a grenade with the pin out get their arms blown off.
In brendans example i would suggest there has been an increase in reported violence and a much higher conviction rate ,i doubt the actual acts of crime have increased since 2009 but just a hunch .
From at least Blair onwards if not before crime stats became politicised with police forces often seemingly more interested in managing and massaging the figures than solving crime and taking the scum off the streets. You can only go off much longer time frames as I've suggested and these are clear and incontrovertible. At the time we started to become "enriched" in the 60's beginning with Jamaican Yardies etc that is when our problems really began and this is shown in the crime stats.
From at least Blair onwards if not before crime stats became politicised with police forces often seemingly more interested in managing and massaging the figures than solving crime and taking the scum off the streets. You can only go off much longer time frames as I've suggested and these are clear and incontrovertible. At the time we started to become "enriched" in the 60's beginning with Jamaican Yardies etc that is when our problems really began and this is shown in the crime stats.
i think the tides turned - right wing, is right as it
always has been - now more people are seeing this more clearly
not sure what road the left wing **** are going down, but it's lovely
to see that every day that goes by their being exposed for exactly
what they are!!
always has been - now more people are seeing this more clearly
not sure what road the left wing **** are going down, but it's lovely
to see that every day that goes by their being exposed for exactly
what they are!!
same old same old Murdoch garbage on here , the same ole redneck songs
I think Trump what may have meant is that Europe is not safe from Muslim Terrorism...and he is damn right.
Although it is Europe's support of the United States in their Middle East adventures which has caused this.
If our leaders had any guts or brains we would have bowed out of that one...but sadly they did not.
Whether Trump thinks the free world has become weak or not, solving this problem is going to take some thought not just muscle
because this a war against Terrorism and with our Muslims we are vulnerable.
The priority at the moment is to defeat ISIS in the Middle East, they are weakening. Then get Assad and the Rebels together in Syria to work out
a solution, whatever it takes, to end the civil war in Syria. That means NO MORE REFUGEES in Europe whom ISIS can infiltrate.
We are living in a world which is far too extreme. This is not just Muslims but the West as well, although we don't see this ourselves
except me of course.
Anyway on we go on the merry go round, I don't think human beings were ever meant to get on together.
Just my personal opinion
Although it is Europe's support of the United States in their Middle East adventures which has caused this.
If our leaders had any guts or brains we would have bowed out of that one...but sadly they did not.
Whether Trump thinks the free world has become weak or not, solving this problem is going to take some thought not just muscle
because this a war against Terrorism and with our Muslims we are vulnerable.
The priority at the moment is to defeat ISIS in the Middle East, they are weakening. Then get Assad and the Rebels together in Syria to work out
a solution, whatever it takes, to end the civil war in Syria. That means NO MORE REFUGEES in Europe whom ISIS can infiltrate.
We are living in a world which is far too extreme. This is not just Muslims but the West as well, although we don't see this ourselves
except me of course.
Anyway on we go on the merry go round, I don't think human beings were ever meant to get on together.
Just my personal opinion
not sure what road the left wing **** are going down, but it's lovely
to see that every day that goes by their being exposed for exactly
what they are!!
Clueless guessing buffoons who have been wrong on every major issue for the last 100 years?
to see that every day that goes by their being exposed for exactly
what they are!!
Clueless guessing buffoons who have been wrong on every major issue for the last 100 years?
I think Trump what may have meant is that Europe is not safe from Muslim Terrorism...and he is damn right.
Of course that's what he meant ebul. Do you think he thought that it was under threat from yoghurt knitting, sandal wearing, tofu munching left wing retards except to the extent of turning up with signs saying, "rapeugees welcome"?
Of course that's what he meant ebul. Do you think he thought that it was under threat from yoghurt knitting, sandal wearing, tofu munching left wing retards except to the extent of turning up with signs saying, "rapeugees welcome"?
Would I rather be a clueless guessing buffoon or Ron-Russian, Dr Crippen et al?
I think I'd rather be wrong for the next 100 years.
I think I'd rather be wrong for the next 100 years.
That's your prerogative Mikael but you know what Einstein said about people who do the same thing expecting different results don't you?
This is not about left or right wing....both our parties have shown poor judgement on this
(and believe it or not colluded).
Plus I think our extreme right wing economies are making the world more extreme.
I did not invite them in Eternal
, blame Merkel not me. It was humanitarian but I can see it is exposing us of course.
They are also coming in UNINVITED through Turkey and Greece.
(and believe it or not colluded).
Plus I think our extreme right wing economies are making the world more extreme.
I did not invite them in Eternal
, blame Merkel not me. It was humanitarian but I can see it is exposing us of course.They are also coming in UNINVITED through Turkey and Greece.
Einstein died when we invented Quantum Physics Mikael
Schrodinger's cat did for him. Although the length of time he has been in that box surely he is dead now.
Schrodinger's cat did for him. Although the length of time he has been in that box surely he is dead now.
Actually, I was doing a quiz once and the question was along the lines of 'which historical figure had E-I in his name twice?' Pretty crappy q, I think you'll agree. Anyway, I answered Eisenstein, who actually has E-I three times, if you count Sergei. They were as unimpressed as anybody reading this anecdote!
as you say BG - Trump is only saying it as it is!
Tommy Robinson only states facts - not his opinion!
but the media brand him a racist - i think people are going to
have to be very careful calling people racist now! they've had
a free card to play for years that now doesn't stand for much now imo.
Tommy Robinson only states facts - not his opinion!
but the media brand him a racist - i think people are going to
have to be very careful calling people racist now! they've had
a free card to play for years that now doesn't stand for much now imo.
I don't blame Merkel ebul. This has been brewing for decades. Radicalism in both Sunni and Shia branches of Islam is many decades old and yet this country invited in poorly educated Muslims over the last half century and allowed them to create ghettoes. It is little surprise that most of our foiled terrorist attempts and the big successful one of 7/7 came from Muslims born in this country.
Mutti Merkel in her own form of madness is merely copying our own. As Enoch said we built a funeral phryh of our nation state long ago.
Mutti Merkel in her own form of madness is merely copying our own. As Enoch said we built a funeral phryh of our nation state long ago.
Very good answer Mikael. Impressive if you overlook the fact you can't count.
Physics. The last refuge of those more intelligent than me. I'm an animal lover but that cat is getting it if I ever see it. I've read that shiit several times and it still isn't going in. Physics is my Kryptonite.
im sorry, but anyone who even enters a quiz and thinks he is right and then posts the results is rather strange.
For that im out.
For that im out.
Shame to see you go Ibra. You normally have so much to add to these discussions.
Mikael - not sure what sort of category you put me in.
the people on here aren't racist - they just don't wanna be blown up,
surely you can see their concern.
We're useless - we get directed by obvious left wing tree huggers who
are ruining the country, say anything & your racist - pathetic.
we have a major problem on our hands - these imams preaching in the UK
need investigating to the highest order but this **** government wouldn't
dare go down that road - they'd rather wait till they blow so many up &
the tide turns - then sharia law is implemented as they see a weakness
in the system.
wonder how your tree huggers will get on under sharia law
the people on here aren't racist - they just don't wanna be blown up,
surely you can see their concern.
We're useless - we get directed by obvious left wing tree huggers who
are ruining the country, say anything & your racist - pathetic.
we have a major problem on our hands - these imams preaching in the UK
need investigating to the highest order but this **** government wouldn't
dare go down that road - they'd rather wait till they blow so many up &
the tide turns - then sharia law is implemented as they see a weakness
in the system.
wonder how your tree huggers will get on under sharia law
So have we established anything? Is Europe safe? Is America safe? Do we want yet another influx of Mutti Merkel's Mussies?
Europe not safe.
England going to France for the football finals with confidence but have no doubt some of Mikael DHaguenets friends are hell bent on attacking some football crowd.
Are the women of Cologne safe.
Are the kids in German swimming pools safe.
Are young girls in Rotherham safe.
Are anyone without a beard safe n Luton.
England going to France for the football finals with confidence but have no doubt some of Mikael DHaguenets friends are hell bent on attacking some football crowd.
Are the women of Cologne safe.
Are the kids in German swimming pools safe.
Are young girls in Rotherham safe.
Are anyone without a beard safe n Luton.
you are off your rocker eo, at no point did you fold me in half and me run away. that sir is a flat out lie. your grandiose delusions havent improved at all.
our disagreement came about because of you trolling another poster after i had pointed out errors in something you said but repeated after i corrected them. im quite happy for you to bring those two threads back up if you want. remember you started a second thread about how far out official stats are on the actual population level in the uk which helped prove my case but you wouldnt admit this would you? you got rude as soon as you realised that i didnt want to be in your gang, even though we basically agreed about the true state of the uk economy.
as far as im concerned what is established is that the war on terror has actually led to more terror and a mad immigration policy makes the likelihood of terror even higher. however there is still more chance of me being killed by a bus than being killed by a terrorist.
our disagreement came about because of you trolling another poster after i had pointed out errors in something you said but repeated after i corrected them. im quite happy for you to bring those two threads back up if you want. remember you started a second thread about how far out official stats are on the actual population level in the uk which helped prove my case but you wouldnt admit this would you? you got rude as soon as you realised that i didnt want to be in your gang, even though we basically agreed about the true state of the uk economy.
as far as im concerned what is established is that the war on terror has actually led to more terror and a mad immigration policy makes the likelihood of terror even higher. however there is still more chance of me being killed by a bus than being killed by a terrorist.
he is in Vermont MD, been there 1 year and 1 week now.
Beautiful country America with American people in the main much nicer and kinder than the British.
Trump is only telling the truth.
Trump is only telling the truth.
The right and its contempt for truth revealed in its full glory in this thread.
who needs truth when hunches, anecdotes and inflammatory language can whip up the feeble minded into a froth
Scratch the surface of any left-winger and you'll find someone seething with anger over injustice.
Yet when they get the chance to change things all they ever achieve is to increase the injustice in the system.
As seen with the last Labour administration where they managed to suppress wages and create a shortage of housing, at the same time as overloading the public services and making them unaffordable.
Not to mention excessive spending on welfare which they knew could not be maintained. Creating a mess for someone else to clean up.
As for trusting the left to look after the nation's security, now you have to be joking, as can be seen from this thread.
Instead of addressing the disaster area that is now the European zone, they choose to examine the figures for murder in America.
As if we should gain some comfort from the figures as we witness Europe in a perpetual state of terror alert.
The left are more concerned with looking after the welfare of the young bucks coming from Syria and elsewhere, than protecting Europe's citizens from them.
Yet when they get the chance to change things all they ever achieve is to increase the injustice in the system.
As seen with the last Labour administration where they managed to suppress wages and create a shortage of housing, at the same time as overloading the public services and making them unaffordable.
Not to mention excessive spending on welfare which they knew could not be maintained. Creating a mess for someone else to clean up.
As for trusting the left to look after the nation's security, now you have to be joking, as can be seen from this thread.
Instead of addressing the disaster area that is now the European zone, they choose to examine the figures for murder in America.
As if we should gain some comfort from the figures as we witness Europe in a perpetual state of terror alert.
The left are more concerned with looking after the welfare of the young bucks coming from Syria and elsewhere, than protecting Europe's citizens from them.
What has changed in Europe is the all encompassing threat from the common enemy Daesh or other Jihadist splinter groups.
Europe has seen terrorist attacks consistently throughout the decades, the trend changed from the early 90's as they petered out on a consistent level, pehaps due to heightening of security.
What has changed is that for every terrorist attack which is reported in the media in ANY country within Western Europe, the automatic reaction is to believe it be the same perpetrator, Daesh.
Europe has seen terrorist attacks consistently throughout the decades, the trend changed from the early 90's as they petered out on a consistent level, pehaps due to heightening of security.
What has changed is that for every terrorist attack which is reported in the media in ANY country within Western Europe, the automatic reaction is to believe it be the same perpetrator, Daesh.
https://www.statista.com/chart/4093/people-killed-by-terrorist-attacks-in-we...
Interview with former US National Security Chief, Zbigniew Brzezinski
'Le Nouvel Observateur' (France) Jan 15 1998 re support for 'Mujahedeen' in late seventies/eighties Afghanistan after Reagan declared them 'the moral equivalent of America's founding fathers'.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
3 years later came 9.11.
Trump may have the greatest insight into the World Situation - for someone who wants to build walls and is appealing to insular American voting groups, my bet is he hasn't - but history suggests right-wing gung-ho American political leaders don't have the best track record when it comes to exporting peace and safety.
'Le Nouvel Observateur' (France) Jan 15 1998 re support for 'Mujahedeen' in late seventies/eighties Afghanistan after Reagan declared them 'the moral equivalent of America's founding fathers'.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
3 years later came 9.11.
Trump may have the greatest insight into the World Situation - for someone who wants to build walls and is appealing to insular American voting groups, my bet is he hasn't - but history suggests right-wing gung-ho American political leaders don't have the best track record when it comes to exporting peace and safety.
Left-wing non-gung-ho American leaders don't have much of a track record either when it comes to exporting peace and safety.
Obama held back over Syria and now we have ISIS. The world is in a bigger mess now than before he came into office.
Obama held back over Syria and now we have ISIS. The world is in a bigger mess now than before he came into office.
Really? You think so?
Sure he - on behalf of the self-styled 'World's Policeman' - dithered reprehensibly whilst ISIS expanded with impunity across Syria and Iraq, no argument there.
However, Bush Jnr finishing what 'mah Daddy' stared in the early 90's followed by the historical madness of attempting to impose any kind of external political system on the tribes of Afghanistan meant it was hardly Shangri-La.
Point is - why can't we just keep TFO of these places in an urge to be seen to be doing something, even when that something inevitably turns out to be counter-productive in the long run.
Sure he - on behalf of the self-styled 'World's Policeman' - dithered reprehensibly whilst ISIS expanded with impunity across Syria and Iraq, no argument there.
However, Bush Jnr finishing what 'mah Daddy' stared in the early 90's followed by the historical madness of attempting to impose any kind of external political system on the tribes of Afghanistan meant it was hardly Shangri-La.
Point is - why can't we just keep TFO of these places in an urge to be seen to be doing something, even when that something inevitably turns out to be counter-productive in the long run.
Feel free to bring the thread back Blaggard. I bent over backwards to be conciliatory to you as a new poster on the politics forum. It had nothing to do with being, "in my gang". There are plenty of left wing posters I am on very good terms with. They are cordial to me and it is reciprocated. If you act like a boil on my ar5e expect to get squeezed. That was what happened and you disappeared like a fart in a hurricane.
i did not disappear, you are a liar. you stitched yourself up with a broadbrush statement that didnt stand up to the slightest examination which is why you now engage in projection. you started a second thread that helped prove my point did you not? i educated you about the complexity of devaluation and you then went into meltdown when i questioned your character. you now pathetically try to present this as me folding in two and running away which is a lie.
'If you act like a boil on my ar5e expect to get squeezed' is rather strange language again eo but entirely fitting for someone who sees himself as an oracle but is actually an orifice.
'If you act like a boil on my ar5e expect to get squeezed' is rather strange language again eo but entirely fitting for someone who sees himself as an oracle but is actually an orifice
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The one where I wrote that if people don't like Christians and Christian values then they shouldn't come here.
Lol, marvellous stuff.
One thing is for sure, they can't stand the truth being thrown back at then when they scoff at our culture.
The one where I wrote that if people don't like Christians and Christian values then they shouldn't come here.
Lol, marvellous stuff.
One thing is for sure, they can't stand the truth being thrown back at then when they scoff at our culture.
^^Oh, hang on wrong thread.
Nevertheless the same holds good on this one apart from the removed bit.
Nevertheless the same holds good on this one apart from the removed bit.
Berk
Can't even remember which thread he's talking bollocks on.
Can't even remember which thread he's talking bollocks on.
So Trump thinks Europe is unsafe...as opposed to where? Africa, Asia?
Americans have a reputation for being frightend to travel. Remember how tourism would drop after an IRA bomb.
Best stay home ...oh and be sure to carry your gun...just to be safe.
Americans have a reputation for being frightend to travel. Remember how tourism would drop after an IRA bomb.
Best stay home ...oh and be sure to carry your gun...just to be safe.
Fancy me leaving an open goal for a mentally challenged low life ignoramus like the TheFilth.
And a one-line hit and run merchant at that, who struggles to compile a sentence let alone one capable of taking part in a proper debate.
And a one-line hit and run merchant at that, who struggles to compile a sentence let alone one capable of taking part in a proper debate.
Oh look at that someone must have logged into his account.
Surely TheFilth didn't write that lot on his own despite it being such a mess.
Surely TheFilth didn't write that lot on his own despite it being such a mess.
Best stay home ...oh and be sure to carry your gun...just to be safe.
TheFilth,
Why would one need to carry a gun in one's own home against terrorists you utter dunce?
TheFilth,
Why would one need to carry a gun in one's own home against terrorists you utter dunce?
Nope Blaggard. You disappeared and you know it. Play to your imaginary gallery all you like. What's more I didn't go in to meltdown when you questioned my character. I smacked you down. It's been done by far more eloquent people than yourself and they too came up short. So keep puffing yourself up. It's most entertaining and the bigger you get the bigger the bust when I stick a pin in you.
Anyway enough of you. I don't trust any man who can't laugh at himself. So let me do it for you.
Dr Crippen reduces every argument to right or left...the right are of course always right.the left are always wrong
This does not reflect reality
The reason Obama did not attack Assad was because Russia said they would support him. Do you think war with Russia
would help us, I don't.
This does not reflect reality
The reason Obama did not attack Assad was because Russia said they would support him. Do you think war with Russia
would help us, I don't.
Sometimes the baastard's we know to be baastard's are in the top jobs in these countries because they are baastards. I don't see many countries emerging enhanced from the Arab Spring.
Texas ain't safe mr president. Kennedy was shot there.
eo i did not disappear, ive still been on betfair but im not here every day. you are only saying that i disappeared now, why havent you mentioned it on any of the other threads that you and i have been on (sometimes at the same time)since that thread fell away?
if i'm not here for a day, a few days, or a week that doesnt mean i've run away it means i have other things to do like earn a living or go out and enjoy myself.
you made a broadbrush statement about devaluation which i corrected. we argued because you said you accepted what i said but then repeated your original comments on a thread started by united biscuits, you were trolling him imo and thats what i didnt like.
eo i am laughing at myself for ending up spending so much time arguing with you. i dont believe in the real world you are at all contemptuous as you are on here, this though makes me find your attitude on here even more perplexing.
if i'm not here for a day, a few days, or a week that doesnt mean i've run away it means i have other things to do like earn a living or go out and enjoy myself.
you made a broadbrush statement about devaluation which i corrected. we argued because you said you accepted what i said but then repeated your original comments on a thread started by united biscuits, you were trolling him imo and thats what i didnt like.
eo i am laughing at myself for ending up spending so much time arguing with you. i dont believe in the real world you are at all contemptuous as you are on here, this though makes me find your attitude on here even more perplexing.
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