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The books are going 2/5 to stay in (no change from about a month ago).
I've had a cheeky fiver on the tie. ![]() |
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25/1 with betfred that the remain vote is 40% or less
fill ur boots ![]() |
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What happens if the vote ends in a tie....do we get referee Robert Schaut to administer the coin toss?
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A Romanian member of the European Parliament has lashed out at Europe’s approach to the cultural war with migrants, and questioned the ability of Europe as a cultural entity to continue in the face of the onslaught.
Romanian MEP Laurentiu Rebega is a member of the same Europe of Nations and Freedom group as Marine Le Pen and the Front National, having joined last year after he crossed the floor from the Conservative party. Speaking out in the immediate aftermath of the Brussels bombing attack this week, he told Breitbart London that the flow of refugees to Europe wouldn’t end until there was peace in the Middle East — a potentially unlikely prospect. Speaking of the migrants travelling to Europe in ever greater numbers, Mr. Rebega said: “They can’t be integrated, they will never be integrated. “The people who attack Europe are the people whose families came here 40 years ago. They cannot adapt to our culture. This shows we have a really big problem if we accept them in our cultural space. “We have this mass of people from mass migration who have penetrated Europe without any control, any debate even over how they can be part of our culture. They come here, they refuse to take part in any kind of process to adapt to our norms”. Stopping this flow of migrants was paramount to the survival of European people, he said: “In my opinion we have to stop this right away, otherwise Europe won’t exist in ten years from now. Right now we are at war. “These people aren’t insane individuals who are out of control, and who decide to [attack us]. “This is very well organised. The [Brussels attacks] shows they are starting a war against the Europeans. We have a duty to protect our own citizens, we don’t have one to care for others. “You might say we have to show humanity and compassion to [migrants] but now we see they are attacking our own citizens. They kill innocent people”. When pressed on what the solution to these problems was, Mr. Rebega expressed there was much to be done, but emphasised the importance of protecting the frontier. He said: “The biggest problem we have now is the uncontrolled border. “There is no doubt about this. We have no border control, we have no say on who comes from other places, enters with a different culture”. Mr. Rebega explained he was particularly dissatisfied with the way the European Union failed to support nations at the frontiers, who were dealing with the day-to-day reality of mass migration. He lamented: “We didn’t help them, we just talk and talk, and force them to take mass migration”. |
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A new poll by ICM now has 'remain' 2% ahead, taken after brussels. I'm not convinced the polls are getting it right after they got it completely wrong for the GE. It was theorised that online polls overrepresented younger voters and telephone polls couldn't reach conservative voters, both of these would skew the polls in favour of 'remain' if they haven't found a way around it. Going door to door randomly across the country with a massive sample size is probably the only reliable method but it's expensive. So be wary of the polls they could be out of sync to the actual support levels.
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'.........So be wary of the polls they could be out of sync to the actual support levels........'
Really ? |
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what percentage DK
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“The people who attack Europe are the people whose families came here 40 years ago. They cannot adapt to our culture. This shows we have a really big problem if we accept them in our cultural space.
Oh for a UK politician to say this. Mind you, he/she would probably have to spend several nights in jail... |
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im YES,but the way EU,has handled refugee,an terrorist crisis has me wavering
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I voted In 40 years ago but deeply regret that now, the EU has cheapened our civil service and Westminster by forcing it to adopt deceit at every turn to enforce measures that are unpopular rather than acknowledge EU directives.
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TheBetterBettor
Joined: 10 Jan 12 Replies: 7305 25 Mar 16 10:34 What happens if the vote ends in a tie....do we get referee Robert Schaut to administer the coin toss? We go to the result of the 'Fil Rouge' If it's still a tie we see which side played their Joker and got the highest points If none of the above, we go to Gennaro and Guido |
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I've never ever voted in my life - going to make the effort
& vote OUT What harm can it do to this already broken country. as brussels erupted the other morning i had a scaremongering leaflet come through the door - didn't say who it was from as far as i could see, just highlighting how much worse off i/we would be |
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Or Cameron and Boris can put on penguin suits and see who can catch the most cheeses
from a rotating windmill on a greasy surface while the French and Germans throw wet sponges at them! |
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The books are going 2/5 to stay in (no change from about a month ago).
I can't help feeling those odds are very wrong as the vast majority of voters will only look at it from an immigration POV. The bloke in the street cant understand all the economic issues but he does understand that you can't have uncontrolled immigration at the rate of an extra million every 3 years without huge problems buildinf up. |
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think the books realise that when the financial position is explained properly no one bar a far right nut will vote to come out.
why play financial bingo when the downside is so far down? |
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What happens if the vote ends in a tie....do we get referee Robert Schaut to administer the coin toss?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6eQ78HCGEA |
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Trying to put some deep thought into this, first of all undecided.....then in....but would now vote OUT.
Agree with this comment "bloke in the street cant understand all the economic issues but he does understand that you can't have uncontrolled immigration...." And recent surveys show it is currently looking a very close vote, surprised at those odds of 2/5 to stay in (?) Below the surface, I think several trends are combining to push the country closer to a Brexit. |
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It's a toss up now, with 'The Establishment' using every last trick in the book, plus some half-@rsed promises nearer the date to try to keep us in against every single driver - economic, migration, democratic, patriotic - screaming 'leave'
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BF 1.49 to stay in
Don't the fools read Chit Chat! |
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Dave's done his we are a christian country easter speech today,
didn't he do that at xmas to |
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Those of you who think it is very close must be filling your boots at current prices
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1.16 £100
1.19 £1,033 1.20 £27 £1,093 1.21 £495 1.22 £9 £647 1.23 £596 £1,643 1.24 £666 1.25 £296 £3,582 1.26 £6 £4,374 1.27 £1,736 1.28 £7 £2,821 1.29 £1,000 £6,933 1.30 £391 £7,391 1.31 £142 £1,134 1.32 £621 £2,519 1.33 £665 £22,886 1.34 £8,060 £14,169 1.35 £837 £30,262 1.36 £3,587 £30,681 1.37 £2,236 £32,529 1.38 £3,210 £59,777 1.39 £2,486 £64,740 1.40 £1,782 £100,123 1.41 £1,946 £81,585 1.42 £1,329 £154,764 1.43 £2,532 £176,671 1.44 £2,705 £200,718 1.45 £2,161 £236,706 1.46 £2,339 £153,483 1.47 £7,520 £110,459 1.48 £9,445 £111,828 1.49 £8,686 £125,472 |
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those of you that think its a formality better put your seat belts on imo
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think the books realise that when the financial position is explained properly no one bar a far right nut will vote to come out.
Go right ahead jockey. I'm sure there are many people who will enjoy your explanation. |
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GI JOCKEY
I respect your opinion for wanting to stay in the EU but whatever the finer points of the arguement the simple basic fact is that if we stay in we've got to provide homes for an extra 1,000,000 people over the next 3 years together with schooling, health care and all the other amenities and facilities that people need. That is as many people as live in Manchester. We can't build that many houses in that time even if there was land available, there doesn't seem to be any new schools being built and hospitals are closing. So how is it going to be done? I've asked this question to everyone who thinks we should stay in but have never received any sensible practical answer to the problem. |
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@bix - I'm for out for different reasons than yourself, but I'll take your questions:
-there is plenty of building land in the UK. Greater London for example has a land area the same as HK and Singapore combined, but about 5 million fewer people - it just needs someone to rip up the NPPF and we can get building upwards -outside London, we can build outwards: there's plenty of farmland with no public access available ( this should really be classed as brownfield, as farming IS an industry - or rip up the NPPF as before and crack on ). -the UK builds about 160k units a year I think, it's not enough, but if occupancy is 4 per unit which is low by historical standards then it'll deal with the increased population, not happily, but they will squeeze in -We don't need any more schools - pupil numbers are broadly similar even with the immigrants and the two child tax credit rule will rein it in a little from July 2016 - the massive area of population growth is among the over 60s -Health care: this is a problem with or without immigrants ( who work a lot in healthcare of course ) but socialised medicine has been disastrous, cancer survival rates are below the Baltics, and outcomes the 2nd worst in the commonwealth fund study in 2012 iirc. But having said all that, almost every large hospital has scaffolding up on some part of the site. We can go to systems like most other countries where A&E, family planning, maternity, and communicable diseases are dealt with under a socialised system with insurance for everything else, then the private sector can get cracking. Oh, and execute the socialist scum chiefs at the BMA who in 2008 voted to prevent an expansion in medical school admissions, because they didn't want junior doctors having to compete. |
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Bongo
Thankyou for your answer. Of course the UK could accommodate an extra 1000,000 citizens with a planned, controlled and structured policy but that is exactly what is missing. The government's attitude toward immigration is one of laissez-faire both towards the newcomers and the existing residents. Sort it out amongst yourselves lads. You know how long it takes to get changes to the NPPF or even planning permission for building new homes particularly if there are objections and appeals and here we are talking about providing homes for an extra 1000,000 in just 3 years. Actually immigration is not my main reason for wanting to leave the EU, but I am mystified as to how the government thinks we can keep taking more and more people in without addressing the issues themselves. Our already totally inadequate transport and road system which now grinds to a halt all too easily also needs drastic attention if it is to handle huge amounts of extra journeys. That of course is another issue, but one which will not sort itself out. |
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Why do we want to increase our population and build more. Of course there is land that can be built on if we keep expanding our population but is that really in our interests to do so.
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Aspiring to be like HK or Singapore!
Years ago they used to say you could get the entire population of the world on the Isle of White...so lets have no more of this overcrowding nonsense. Just because its possible to do something doesn't make it desirable. |
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millions of voters living in europe , 90% likely to vote stay
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Perhaps this is Dave's subtle way of controlling immigration by saying you can come in but there won't be anywhere for you to live. Homeless in London up 30% in London in last 12 months. Mainly it seems Romanians with no job and nowhere to live.
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Another Million
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Long inquiry into why polls got in wrong in the GE has found that they systematically over-represent labour votes, and unless they switch to a completely different and more expensive method they will keep getting it wrong. I dont know what that means for this ref except the polls are probably within +/- 10%.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/31/election-inquiry-concludes-theres-not-a-lot-you-can-do-to-make-p/ |
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Now we have the premiership league,the bastion of fair play,telling us how our football scene will suffer if we leave Europe. The BBC endorsed this by showing that well known european Aguerro scoring again !
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bix 27 Mar 16 19:30 Joined: 08 Dec 02 | Topic/replies: 3,700 | Blogger: bix's blog
GI JOCKEY I respect your opinion for wanting to stay in the EU but whatever the finer points of the arguement the simple basic fact is that if we stay in we've got to provide homes for an extra 1,000,000 people over the next 3 years together with schooling, health care and all the other amenities and facilities that people need. That is as many people as live in Manchester. We can't build that many houses in that time even if there was land available, there doesn't seem to be any new schools being built and hospitals are closing. So how is it going to be done? I've asked this question to everyone who thinks we should stay in but have never received any sensible practical answer to the problem. simple stop non eu immigration. |
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be interesting if all those pensioners had to come back.
the aged add more strain to the nhs than a working eu immigrant no doubt. |
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I think a lot of those pensioners have been coming back when the inevitable has come to the horizon,just we haven't read too much about them.Just like a revolving door over the years.
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GI Jockey
Good point about the non EU immigrants. As immigration is at an unsustainable level perhaps that should be the deal. Stay in but stop non EU immigration. Can't see that happening somehow. |
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dont think pensioners have..lots have returned because of a lack of work.
right now its a lot cheaper to live abroad then here. |