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By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 02 Apr 16 20:08
so what happens when we vote out?

the government opt to stay in the eea?
By:
treble
When: 02 Apr 16 21:02
I'm going to have a massive bet on remain. I wouldn't even mind losing my money if we vote out. But if we stay in, at least I'll trouser a pocketful.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 02 Apr 16 21:03
House prices will determine which way the vote goes. If Osborne, Carney and Cameron can make sure they are rising to 23rd June (and I believe they can ensure this) then Remain is 85% likely the victor. If house prices are falling, 85% likely Brexit.
By:
treble
When: 02 Apr 16 21:06
Genuinely interested in how they can ensure house prices are rising. It's not like they can drop interest rates any more for mortgages or anything.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 02 Apr 16 21:14
Cant see the link between house prices and the eu, we have always had an influx of people whether in the eu or not.

Not sure when house prices last fell, always will be on the up whilst the population outweighs the amount of houses and regulation, the minute house prices fall then building will slow.
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 02 Apr 16 21:15
odd way of thinking.

if we go out the odds are house prices will fall because of a fall in demand...less people coming in.
also wages go up because of a smaller pool of employees to choose from.....means interest rates are likely to increase as inflation goes up.

if we dont take our seat at the eea then prices and inflation will go up further because of imports and export attracting tarrifs...that will get passed onto us...

less money floating about.

prices bound to fall.

maybe the tories can get more refugees in to up the demand for housing Laugh

the eu provides us with 1.7m workers where as non eu provides us with over 2m...so we are quite good at finding workers from non eu countries.

lets get out fo the eu so we can get more Laugh
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 02 Apr 16 21:16
treble, the last time house prices looked like softening, first-time buyer concessions were announced the same week. At the first sign of house prices softening in the next three months, expect a stimulus. No reason to think house prices will stop rising though - changes to buy-to-let taxation have many rushing to increase their property portfolios now.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 02 Apr 16 21:19
I don't mean that house prices are linked to being in or out of the EU, I mean that voters will vote for change if house prices are falling.
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 02 Apr 16 21:20
if they helped fuel house prices by making it easier for 1st time buyers they should get done for treason.

how the hell are we supposed to get hosing benefits down if we have to subsidise even full time workers so they can afford to pay their rent ???

what a mess we are in
By:
Jayco
When: 02 Apr 16 21:21
Can anyone tell me the positives of staying in ?
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 02 Apr 16 21:23
but if they voted out on that basis they want their braincell checked out quickly.

can understand a few reasons why some might want out.

the far right.
people who want house prices to fall.
but to want out for those reasons wow.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 02 Apr 16 21:27
Not sure why the laughing emotions are about, Who said leaving the eu would lower migration ?

Having control over migration and letting in people who enhance your nation seems good too me.

Again, tell me the last time house prices fell in England ?

The uk is built on mortgages, the whole financial system is built on house buyers, that is why the interest rate is so low, they dont care about savers they want people to buy houses, that is why they like uncontrolled migration.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 02 Apr 16 21:28
GI Jockey - There may be a slight correction to house prices AFTER the Referendum, but they will undoubtedly be rising into the next General Election. It's Rule 1 for government.
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 02 Apr 16 21:30
the positives are avoiding the negatives.

way i see it is the way down is a lot further than the way up.

we didnt suffer as much after subprime because eu immigrants lowered wages so we were able to be competetive.
but house prices rose and it has left us in a problematic position regards to investment.

can see many companies shifting their operations to cheaper options in the eu also knowing if we come out fo the eea we will have some tarrifs imposed.
if that happens then its cheaper to deal in the eu than out of it....

short term wages rises.
long term unemployment and lower wages.

plus point lower house prices.

either way at some point we will suffer the knock on from subprime like the rest of the eu did.

suppose some think its time to face the music
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 02 Apr 16 21:37
I cant take anyone seriously if they call someone far right for having a different opinion, sort of crap the bbc spam the internet with.

Im pretty sure companies have been leaving the uk for cheap labour in the eu for ages, to think the uk cant be better is defeatist to say the least.
By:
treetop
When: 02 Apr 16 23:14
About the only positive for staying in is the excellent salaries and pension schemes the EU has for those loyal to it. As we have seen they show their loyalty by selling the UK down the river and filling their own pockets by shovelling our money into other countries' pockets.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 03 Apr 16 09:11
I am a passionate supporter of Remain.
Being a teenager in 1975 when we joined, I spent much of that summer travelling in Europe. It was as sweet as you can imagine. Felt my identity had broadened. I want our children and grandchildren to have the same vistas of opportunity. Sure, there are always things to improve.
The other argument is economic. The reason we joined was because we were becoming inexorably poorer compared to them. The U.K. had to beg for twelve years to get in. If we leave, we can't go back, and the same disadvantages of being out of a free market will condemn coming generations of Brits to be poor relations in Europe again.
By:
doridoru
When: 03 Apr 16 09:16
^^^ what a load of garbage, of course you will still be able to travel, and trade will carry on but be even better for us...
By:
pumphol.
When: 03 Apr 16 10:41
" free market "  so if we get out there will be  no trade with ALL the wonderful countries in the EU Crazy
Our intelligence service compared to other EU countries is second to none, will that change if we leave, so what's all this safer In bawlocks Crazy

What really annoys me is Cameron was banging on last year if I don't get the deal I am after then we should leave the EU, what happens he gets probably a tenth of what he would have liked to get, & now bangs on what a disaster it would be to leave its beyond pathetic in my opinion, I never remember him being this pro Europe ever & something doesn't seem quite right about it all somehow.
By:
bongo
When: 03 Apr 16 10:51
Lots of young North Americans will travel to Europe this summer, and broaden their minds, have fun, even drink a few beers which they're not legally allowed to at home. A couple of years ago they'd have slept at central European train stations the occasional night to save money between hostels. Not so easy this year as the hostels are fuller and the train stations have new arrivals from North Africa sleeping there.

This is only possible because North America is in the EU.
By:
wit-ham
When: 03 Apr 16 10:54
Must be the big pay-off and free holiday home

on the island of you can only come here if you are a good little boy

But we will lose jobs if we leave?

not doing to bad losing jobs staying in at the moment
By:
chelsea girl
When: 03 Apr 16 11:32
united biscuits......young people have been travelling to and from Europe since the 1960's

Long before the EU was even thaught of.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 03 Apr 16 12:35
chelsea girl - The freedom of being there as n EU citizen is rather more than a tourist can claim. You can live there. You can get get a job there. You have members' rights and privileges. You have an EU health insurance card. If you are a romantic, you can get lost there searching for a lost domain and not have to worry about being an alien. You can wander across a field which constitutes a border and nobody stops you.
By:
donny osmond
When: 03 Apr 16 12:41
i went to Nice in mid 80s to stay with a mate at uni

brits were not allowed to work there without jumping through hoops

on holidays in  late 80s in spain brits were being deported for working
as reps for pubs

dark days for our young adventurers
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 03 Apr 16 12:46
The reason we joined was because we were becoming inexorably poorer compared to them

utter rubbish, when we joined our GDP was on par with the rest of the EU that is why we got in. Now the EU lets anyone in regardless of their GDP, had the same conditions applied to Poland and all the other ex commie states that was supposed to be applied originally, then they would never had got membership. Now all those are being let in with crap GDP's is the reason there is a mass exodus of citizens from those countries to the wealthy ones.
By:
chelsea girl
When: 03 Apr 16 12:53
I'm not on about working, only travel like the interailling scheme introduced in 1972

before the EU was formed.
By:
donny osmond
When: 03 Apr 16 12:55
you dont stop at borders on trains now

was always great fun arriving at italian border, wait several hours , etc etc
By:
bongo
When: 03 Apr 16 12:59
That's not quite fair Burtons:
A big reason for Poles migrating to the West is the subsidies which prevent the normal operation of a competitive free market economy based on investment and comparative advantage.

Agriculture is the headline industry that demonstrates it. It used to employ about a quarter of the workforce on POL. Thanks to subsidies the land owners there have mechanised and shed jobs at a sensational rate adding value to what the land owner already has. Other previously labour intensive industries have done the same. Unemployment which was close to nil under communism has risen. The displaced workers have to move to work. To the countries which ironically provide the highest net subsidies.
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 03 Apr 16 13:52
some of the arguments for out are flawed.

lets take immigration.
1.7 m eu immigrants are here compared to over 2 non eu immigrants.

1.it would be easier to control the non eu immigration .
2.more terrorist would come through the non eu route directly from those countries avoiding other eu intelligence services.


the payment to the eu.

we pay a net 8.5bil
yet we cant calculate how much being in the eu has helped us....presume a lot of brexit voters think its hindered us....but based on what?
benefits figures?
compare 8.5bil to over 80 bil for the nhs budget....so we are talking a small amount to help trade.
even if we went solo wed only save 8.5 bil
how much would it hurt us trade wise?
god knows but the first thing is if there were tarrifs of any kind that means an increase in prices.

the posibilites from even a small raise in tarrifs is hard to measure likewise zero tarrifs now.
one certainty is zero tarrifs is better than a tarrif.

the laws issues is a valid on but the alternatives leaves us with no say if we want access to free trade.
lower down the options list and our service industry gets hit.

think either way there will be some kind of hit on our economy.
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 03 Apr 16 19:13
4 point LEAD for exit

re Daily Male

Common
Lets be having you
Cakes all ROUND

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