think bringing forward reversed immigration is an interesting idea.
at least we can say we voted for it so cant really blame any party for the problems when they happen.

saying that it will inevitably happen anyway.

so the question is is it better to be the one controlling it or do we wait for the rest fo the eu to pick up and let them leave naturally?

if we need the numbers up again we can always go to syria or the commonwealth to beg workers to come here so we can prop up our economy with cheap labour again.

im sure many buy to let investors will be voting out   NOT

wouldnt listen to any of em anyway.

farage is anti immigration yet the whole economy boomed and is being propped up off the back of it.

that simply makes him look a ****

What effect will the fact there could be thousands of English, Welsh and Northern Irish voters on the piss up in France when we vote? Or the fact that all three teams (or one in particular) could have just been thumped and eliminated in embarrassing circumstances by our European counterparts just a few days before the vote?

Burton-Brewers  • February 21, 2016 12:07 PM GMT 
Nigel nor UKIP are anti immigration. Immigrants that have skills and something to offer are more than welcome to the UK. Tell me what the load of Roma beggars are bringing to the streets of Sheffield?

Every time Farage talks of immigration he makes that specific point. It's just that some people choose to ignore it and accuse him of racism.
As regards the loads of beggars we've let in I wonder what the likes of G1 think of them.

I'm with BoJo

If I were to vote on a purely selfish basis I would vote to stay in. If we leave the EU there are bound to be short term consequences which we all pay for. Any real benefits, if there are any, will take a number of years to reach fruition by which time I will either be dead or too old to care.
While we are in, the influx of cheap labour keeps prices down and ensures pensions are paid.
So it has to be IN for me, although I might be persuaded to vote out on a purely philanthropic basis.

Laughable that they can argue our security is improved by the E.U., which oversees a borderless continent... They don't have the first idea who half the people coming into Europe are and nor do they appear to care.

Don't think this is the best place to get the best arguments of both sides, as 95% on this forum seems to be in favour of "out". I'm not even British, but if my country held a referendum, I would vote to stay in.

The way I see it negotiating a deal like that of Norway or Switzerland would be pointless at best. Both Norway and Switzerland are obliged to implement EU legislation, so wouldn't solve any problem of legislation being made in Brussels. Both Norway and Switzerland are also part of Schengen (one of the worst ideas of the union alongside the common currency imho), and as far as I know there's nothing stopping me as a EU-national from moving to Switzerland or Norway and work there, so probably wouldn't do much to reduce immigration. Not that I see EU-citizens who actually work for a living as a problem. You might save a few pennies on membership fees, but would on the other hand give up much political influence. Like the power to veto new member states for example.

You could of course go for a clean break, and while that might solve some problems, it would be terrible news for pretty much all companies in my stock portfolio, and for the economy in general. I wouldn't trust my government to negotiate a better deal than what Norway and Switzerland have managed.

Plus within a couple of years I'm quite likely to take advantage of the free movement in Europe myself (don't worry, I'm not moving to England).

I'm not exactly impressed with the decision making at the EU level, but I blame our own national politicians for my country going down the drain, not the EU. The biggest problems we have I think are solvable without leaving the EU, and they certainly wouldn't be automatically solved by leaving.

People don’t seem to realize that since we and every other country in the EU have signed up to various world trade deals, the latest being TTIP, this in affect has rendered membership of the EU on an economic basis worthless.  All we are doing now is paying the EU good money that should be spent elsewhere.

I don't want to be like Norway or Switzerland Mr Andersson, I want to be Great Britain. How will you solve the muslim problem for starters without leaving the EU, your government won't solve it they are too liberal, and even pressurise your media into helping with the cover up.

Out

A corrupt institution we pay 11 billion into. Undemocratic. Policies made up by lobbyists to the unelected officers. A collapsing eurozone(we are told we depend on the eu for exports) - there are 180 plus other countries to trade with!!
No control over how many come here.  Wages forced down. Gang masters paying less than minimum wage.  Non- union labour. We have about 6 percent of the vote in the eu and don't have any influence anyway.
The audit has never been signed off !!!!

Ask, where does your money go?   20 billion to Latvia  and 40 billion to poland  4billion to the UK

what's not to like ha ha!!!

macarony 21 Feb 16 17:11 
***** Euro Referendrum June 23rd in/out *****

Has anybody made the case for either camp based on solid facts?

It's a fact this club costs us 55 million a day - we can spend that ourselves if out.

It's a fact that the 2 richest countries in europe are NOT in the EUSSR.

It's a fact that both these countries, switzerland and norway have had 2 referendums and despite politicians there begging them to vote to join (sound familiar?) the people have rejected the EUSSR, by 80% last time in norway.

It's a fact that if they can do it so can we. It's  a fact they are wealthy because of oil and banking, here we had/have both but we're potless. Norwegian national sovereign wealth fund presently over $300 billion and pension fund over $800 billion. We got nada.

It's a fact that the 1 million+ migrants recently admitted to germany will soon have the paperwork to travel anywhere in the EUSSR.

It's a fact that the EUSSR want to admit turkey which has a population of 78 million. Poland with 38 million population saw 1 million come here. If the numbers for turkey were duplicated then we can expect 2 million. It's a fact that our min wage goes over £7 per hour in April and it's a fact that the average salary in turkey is £7 per day. They will have every motivation to come.

It's a fact that SISO (sign in sod  off) in order to  collect payment for daily attendance of the EUSSR parliament is still rife. Essentially theft from the public purse made legal. And that's before we start with the expense fiddling.

It's a fact that there is constantly a shortage of brown envelopes in brussels.

It's a fact that these meaningless words cameron got the other night can be challenged at the EUSSR court. Tusk said he "expected" the court to have no issue with it. It's a fact he could be wrong.

It's a fact that 85% of EUSSR migrants claim no in work benefit as they are young and without a family, making the whole thing a charade anyway.

OUT OUT FOOKIN OUT.

out

Oasis v Blur

Proportional Representation v First Past The Post

In v Out

You just know the Great British public can't be trusted to get these big issues right.

funny how these people suddenly pop up - wonder who told them to do so

those 2 countries have a joint population of just over 12 million - we are approaching 70 million

the deal we could negotiate would be different and unique

they need us more than we need them

as cameron said of course we will survive outside the EUSSR

so lets do that and make our own laws

re turkey they will allow them to join because thats what they do
they are already preparing to give them visa free travel
and we all know what that will mean

politicians think in terms of numbers - adding to the GDP, for that you need a regular influx of young workers, good for GDP and the ponzi pension schemes but bad for any and all average worker

Speaking to the European Parliament's International Trade Committee on the 5th of November 2014, Atle Leikvoll, Norwegian Ambassador to the EU, told MEPs that Norway doesn't pay for the EEA which grants them access to the EU Single Market. Instead, Norway pays 1.8 billion to help 'reduce social and economic disparities' in the European Union. At the same time, the UK pays over £20 billion pounds to the EU for only slightly better access to the market especially in agricultural products.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY4B9iYcVjo&feature=youtu.be