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I disagree. We need professional jurors. I would be struggling to take in several day's information and process it.
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You disagree with what? I am not going to disagree with your last sentence certainly.
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Kenny you are a disgrace.
An apologist for a convicted pedophile. Shame you care more about chickens than children. I genuinely pity you. |
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Old 02-05-2015, 11:17 #1 Dalekbuster523 Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,533 Why Rolf Harris is innocent From Lizzie Cornish: Quote: What follows here are my views. I have also copied and pasted this, Matthew, so if you remove anything, or change it, I will know. Obviously, you may not even let it on here either. That’s OK, I’ll post it elsewhere.. Right, here we go… Rolf should NEVER have been sent to trial in my opinion The CPS were appalling letting these women go to Court. Absolutely NO evidence whatsoever existed, or exists, to this day… TWO were in deep debt, one having got herself out of this by selling her Rolf Story for $66,000 one year PREtrial, which should have been enough in itself to STOP any trial…She also had to admit, in Court, that she’d lied in her statement, as she’d (in my view) embellished her story outrageously by claiming she’d met Rolf on the first day of her tour here in the UK, then spent the rest of the tour here ‘watching the weight fall off’ her, after what she alleged Rolf did to her…She didn’t meet Rolf until just a few days before going home. She’d said she’d lost nearly a stone during her tour…(WOOPS!) changing the reason for this, instantly, to she must have been homesick… ??? She also stated, when questioned about her having had anorexia YEARS before she ever met Rolf that her doctor/counsellor misunderstood her… ??? She ALSO had to admit in Court to having told ‘an outright lie’ to the Op. Yewtree officers she met in Australia, after they’d asked her NOT to go to the media. She should never have been seen as a reliable person. Also, the former head of the public prosecutions in New South Wales said that the trial, in his opinion, should NEVER go ahead, as anyone who sells their story to the papers, pre-trial, may have other motives. Leigh Park? NO evidence whatsoever exists to place Rolf here, EVER. ‘Victim’ said it was around time of Moon Landing, (July 1969) Rolf WAS in Australia, EXACTLY has he stated in Court. This can be proven very easily as he was filming out there for much of that year. She stated he’d been singing ‘Two Little Boys’. This wasn’t released until November 1969, becoming the Christmas number one. WHY would Rolf Harris, MAJOR star at that time, be appearing at a small hall on the largest council estate in Europe (at that time) when he was also on our TV screens every weekend with his own HUGELY successful show? TWO men came forward to say they recalled Rolf being there, one said around time Diana Dors was there, one said around time Sid James was.. Both these artists were there 10 YEARS APART. BOTH can be traced to Leigh Park online…Diana opened The Crown Bingo, Sid an extension to a shopping centre. One of these men said he got an autograph for his daughter…neither daughter, nor autograph was produced as evidence…Neither do we know if either of these two men knew the woman concerned…. She stated she was on stage, at the head of a queue, 7/8 years old, Rolf crouching down to sign her piece of paper. She says he was looking at her warmly, then states his eyes were very cold (??)..So, he’s crouching down, to be at her level, pen in one hand, paper in t’other, yet, somehow he’s allegedly able to put his ‘hairy’ hands (Rolf has never had hairy hands, find photos of him as younger man on Google images and he held his hands up in Court)…on her legs, going up to her vaginal area, over her clothes, doing this twice, second time far more forcefully. Eh???????? She is ALSO at ‘head’ of queue, so a whole pile of folks are RIGHT behind her, staring AT Rolf, (as people do with a famous person) yet no-one saw him, nor stopped him….. Double…Eh??????? This woman was also declared bankrupt in 2013…. She was ALSO on her Twitter page a while back sayng she was going to be writing her story, which no-one would believe. Quite. To this day, there’s not a ticket to this gig anywhere on the internet, not a programme, not a poster, not a write-up, not a photo ANYWHERE. Nothing. It is my view that Rolf was NEVER at Leigh Park…I’ve even phoned the staff up at Leigh Park and they too are deeply concerned, as they know NO-ONE who has any memory and they told me that families live on Leigh Park for GENERATIONS so there would still be MANY people there who’d remember Rolf being there… And WHY would the local newspaper miss the opportunity of having Rolf, SO loved and SO popular all over their front page to boost sales? The police searched through SEVEN YEARS of their archives around this date, but found not a SINGLE WORD about Rolf. !!!!???? Miss Cambridge…She STARTED the trial in ‘It’s A Celebrity Knockout’ in one part of Cambridge, in 1975, aged 13//14, being a waitress (?). However, MID-trial she transmorphed into being 16/17, at ‘Star Games’ in 1978 in a totally different part of Cambridge….and no-one batted an eyelid. Now, DS Gary Pankhurst admitted in Court that the police had been sent the entire programme of ‘It’s A Celebrity Knockout’ from 1975, as yes, it DID exist. Guess what? Yes, NO Rolf! This is when Ms. Wass, prosecution lawyer started flitting and flatting around, desperately trying to infer that a MYSTERY GUEST was going to be in this programme at the end of the show, which didn’t seem to be on the film..and would be impossible to trace via the internet back then, as er…there wasn’t any internet… Then, LO AND BEHOLD, a bloke recalls Rolf being at Star Games…tells The Mirror, the Mirror find the video and bam, Rolf then becomes The Biggest Liar In The World, according to Ms. Wass, because he’d insisted he’d NEVER been to Cambridge until recent years. Rolf wasn’t lying. WHY would he be so stupid as to lie about being in a programme he could be traced to? He just had NO memory of this programme at all. Search for the Youtube video of Freddie Starr telling Phillip Schofield that he, Phillip, had NO memory of EVER having interviewed world famous racing driver, James Hunt…after Phillip was trying to infer Freddie MUST have remembered being on a show with Savile…Schofield HAD to confess this was true and he just had no memory at all of that interview…. Rolf was bussed into Star Games, with other celebrities…It was on the OUTSKIRTS of Cambridge, so no dreaming spires or University buildings to jog his memory. Tonya Lee, when asked why she lied about meeting Rolf at the start of her tour, not at the end, said that it was a long time ago, around 28 years and she was not a robot. ROLF, however, at 84 years old, was made out to be the nastiest, most manipulative liar in Christendom, by a very, very ruthless and clever lawyer. Finally, in regards to Miss Cambridge, we KNOW Rolf was there at ‘Star Games’, but what we do NOT know is if Miss Cambridge was, as the trial was not stopped when this new information came to light….Her story was just ENTIRELY CHANGED and that was that….WHY????? HOW can this be LEGAL???? Bindi’s ex-friend, known as ‘J’. She wrote in her diary, during the holiday she said she was abused on, that she was having a GREAT time. ?? She also spent YEARS of her life going to Rolf’s house, being inseparable with Bindi, having a lovely time, never being frightened of Rolf at all. Even when Rolf moved away, 30 MILES away, she followed the family there, going over to stay with them, being perfectly happy to it seems..even happy for Rolf to drive her home. She was 30 MILES from her family, yet, she WANTED to be there. IF the father of my best friend had been sexually abusing me there is NO WAY I’d have even stepped foot in her house ever again. I’d have been a wreck…. Now, interestingly ‘J’ said she WAS a wreck whenever she was around Rolf, having to down ‘shedloads’ of gin, at least 5 glasses, to hide her panic attacks. My own daughter suffered these during a horrible bout of vertigo when a teenager. You CANNOT HIDE panic attacks, NOR could you hide being stoned out of your brain on 5 glasses of gin! She even said that she managed to control the sweating during her panic attacks and that no-one noticed. Oddly, her mother stated she did notice a few panic attacks…. Now, her parents….. They kept Rolf’s letter of deep apology (and that’s ALL it was, an APOLOGY) for SEVENTEEN YEARS, yet, did NOTHING about it, EVER. Her father was a respected medical professional, wealthy, so lawyer’s fees would NOT have been a problem for him…Yet, he did nothing at all. His daughter told him she’d been abused since the age of 13, yet he did nothing. They said it was due to her being an alcoholic. ???? No, they did NOTHING AT ALL. In MY mind, this seems to say that they simply did NOT believe her allegations of child abuse. She too had financial problems, or rather, her BOYFRIEND did. Yes, despite all that she said about her life being ruined, she not being able to communicate with anyone, etc.etc..she had a boyfriend and it was HE who was in deep debt with his bird sanctuary. That’s why she asked Rolf for £25,000 to £30,000. Also, when Rolf ended their relationship, or rather, their series of meetings, for that’s what it was, around 8/10 over a period of 11 YEARS, that’s less than once a year (and in my view, she engineered each one of those opportunities) she went ape****, and THAT is when she threw the ‘child abuse’ allegations at him, saying the ODDEST thing, that telling her she looked “lovely” in her swimsuit was the same as him physically molesting her. ??? EH???? WTF?????????????? We’ve ALL told children they look ‘lovely’ in outfits, ALL of us, to boost their confidence..and she may well have said to Rolf “Do I look OK in this?” for all we know… He was made to feel TERRIBLE about this…by her..and by Ms. Wass, who got him to beat himself up more and more about it. Rolf is a very kind person and the thought that he had truly hurt someone would tear him apart…It is VERY easy to make deeply talented people feel total ****s about themselves, believe me, as it so often goes with the brain-pattern of deeply creative people who are often very fragile inside about how they see themselves… NO WAY would you keep going to the house of someone who was abusing you. No WAY! There was another woman who found her way into Rolf’s life too, after he and Alwen had kindly taken her in when she was really down on her luck. They’d done this for others too…because they’re both very kind and loving people… This woman found her way into Rolf’s life too, just as the other had…It wasn’t Rolf chasing them, in my view, but totally the other way around…. Rolf LOVES Alwen….He loved her from the moment he saw her….and when he bumped into her not long after, at an art gallery, where both were exhibiting, he told her how BEAUTIFUL she was, then picked her up in his arms and ran all the way down the gallery with her… :0) But, **** happens in people’s lives and wrong decisions are taking when temptation appears from nowhere. Rolf could have had affair after affair after affair, his whole life long, with rich and famous women too. Tom Jones OPENLY admits to a whole STRING of affairs…but he STILL goes home to his wife of over 50+years marriage.. What matters is that their wives love them enough to give Unconditional Love and it says all that needs to be said about the men concerned when a woman can do such a loving thing….Rolf’s family worked through it, and forgave him..and that is ALL that mattered. It was NO-ONE’s business but theirs… When ‘J’ found out about this second woman, she again went ape****, this time to Bindi, calling this woman ‘ugly, old and a cow’. NOT the words of an abused child, but the words of a very jealous woman…in my view… The shocking libelous lie about Broadmoor. No, Rolf did NOT ‘stalk Broadmoor with Savile’ as The Sun said (remember, The Sun is owned by Murdoch who was fuming with Rolf’s lawyers from Leveson Inquiry)… The TRUTH is that BROADMOOR **ASKED** Savile to work for them, to ‘soften’ their image…and to bring in some family-orientated celebrities to do this. Thus, Rolf went there to a Summer Fete, ONCE, as did many others, Pan’s People amongst those others…Broadmoor issued a statement saying that AT ALL TIMES Rolf was accompanied by STAFF and NOTHING untoward happened when Rolf was being shown the hospital. Pan’s People were accompanied by ARMED guards when they were shown around. Did I also mention that Steven George, the man who used to be Alizon Pink, is the person who told this Broadmoor story about Rolf..and he’s got a BOOK out about it, it coming out in 2012 and, if I recall correctly, it being updated in 2013. Strangely, when on ‘This Morning’ telling his Savile story, he made NO MENTION AT ALL of Rolf being there too, ONLY coming out with this part AFTER Rolf had been pronounced (wrongly) guilty. He was a former patient of Broadmoor, the top mental hospital in this country. He says his father arranged for him to be sent there, both his adoptive parents being paedophiles… The Vanessa Feltz story. ODD, isn’t it, that even now, so long after, we’ve STILL never seen this film of Rolf allegedly putting his hands up her dress? This is because no film showing this exists. ODD too that the police said they’d looked at the film and verified it, when Vanessa herself said that the film was shot from the waist up….You see, lots of canoodling went on during these Big Breakfast Bed interviews..and if you look on Youtube you’ll find Paula Yates lying on the bed with Michael Hutchence, whom she later had a child with, her hands all over his crotch, literally..Also, Rik Mayall, playfully launching himself on top of Liza Tarbuck for a moment or two, Liza taking it all in the fun way it was meant, not getting insulted at all…. We have NO idea if Rolf and Vanessa were larking around, none, nor if what she alleged took place…NONE. Linda Nolan….(getting tired now) …..now, her allegation was interesting, because she’d kept silent for decades too, not even telling her other sisters, despite Coleen being felt up a bit by Savile…nope, not a word… Then, Linda comes back into the spotlight doing Big Brother…She’d been on Benefits before this, in a bad state financially…Big Brother solved that…DURING Big Brother, she said that she’d had sex with many men, but her husband was ALWAYS watching (it’s on Youtube ‘I’m a Nolan, not a nun!’)..and it was a great way to orgasm. ?????? Next thing we know, she’s sitting there giving interview after interview of how shocked she was when young of Rolf abusing her…..LOADS of lovely money was possibly rolling in with this new turn of events though…. Read Jim Davidson’s book about Operation Yewtree ‘No Further Action’ to find out his feelings on Linda Nolan…whose husband, now passed on, was found to have allegedly stolen some money from Frank Carson’s dressing room once…He just about managed to keep his temper with her on Big Brother, refusing to rise to any bait that was put out…. Rolf also has many folks in Australia, in the entertainment world, who don’t like him. They refer to him always as an ex-pat, which hurts him deeply and he gave an interview many years ago about this, how it upsets him so much…They resent his success, they resent him making it over here, they resent him living over here, even though he’s flown the flag for Australia throughout his entire life! They are LOVING putting the boot in now….. Some of the ridiculous stories told by the women the CPS brought in from abroad…Miss Malta saying she thought she was going to be raped, then, she had a photo taken with Rolf after. ??? the mother and daughter from New South Wales, who put the cartoon the daughter had drawn with Rolf earlier that day up in her bedroom, despite them saying he’d abused both of them ???? The make-up artist from Oz who alleged she’d been groped 24 times (!!!????) in one day…and who said he was well known as ‘The Octopus’ WTF! She let a man grope her TWENTY FOUR TIMES? Yeah, right! Even the judge, Mr. Justice Sweeney, said, in his summing up, that the jury were NOT to take notice of this ‘Octopus’ remark as it came from just ONE person… On and on it goes….on and on and on…. Meanwhile, an 84 year old man, with a SIXTY YEAR, TOTALLY UNBLEMISHED career sits in prison, hundreds of miles from his family, utterly bewildered that anyone would EVER think he’d EVER hurt a child…. There is so much more, but I’m falling asleep here as it’s now so late…. Rolf is NO PAEDOPHILE at ALL! He is kind and gentle and adores inspiring and teaching children and adults alike..and he’s been doing this ALL his life long…. My GOD but we should ALL be out on the streets for Rolf, screaming our heads off about this shocking miscarriage of justice and demanding that those with deeply £vested interests in all of this be sent to Court to explain their actions! FREE ROLF HARRIS!! Oh..and one last thing..the alleged child porn. There wasn’t any and THAT is why the CPS didn’t prosecute him, but they let the public think they COULD have…Go to a blog called ‘Rolf Harris – Beyond Reasonable Doubt or Miscarriage of Justice’…read it, as it’s great…then go to the comments underneath and find the comments of Chris Brosnan…READ them…and weep for Rolf…just weep for him….and weep for yourselves for EVER believing the BULLSHIT that Murdoch and Dacre wanted you to believe, helped out by the CPS too…. I'll be shocked if you still believe the guilty verdict was right after reading this. Source: http://thesteepletimes.com/media-mou...izzie-cornish/ |
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and that's from a female!!
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What's your point Kenny?
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Rolf should NEVER have been sent to trial in my opinion The CPS were appalling letting these women go to Court. Absolutely NO evidence whatsoever existed, or exists, to this day…
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Harris was found guilty of all 12 charges he was prosecuted on. They were:
Count one: A woman said Harris touched her inappropriately when she was just seven or eight while he was signing autographs in Hampshire in the late 1960s I stopped reading at that point. |
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Children will get over it; chickens won't
You disgust me Kenny. |
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kenny mann
13 Feb 16 19:30 Joined: 29 Apr 10 | Topic/replies: 32,867 | Blogger: kenny mann's blog oh fk off, the children will get over it, animals don't get a chance ffs! One of the most disgusting posts ever on this forum. |
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I disagree, I think your post is more disgusting!
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The misery some animals have to endure on a factory farm to fill your fat stomachs disgusts me, and you compare that to some girl having her bottom pinched. Absolutely disgraceful, you sicken me.
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You thick troll
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Kenny....indecent assault can be much more than a pinched bottom.
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I',m not a troll ydc, I speak what I believe, and what I believe is that thousands and millions of abused animals is a hell of a lot worse than a few cases of indecent assault, and I never said I condoned that! What a fkin world we live in!
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Kenny....you should feel that it is your responsibility to protect the whole of the animal kingdom....there are 100s of thousands of people campaigning and taking action.....evils do-ers get their come-uppance in the end.
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Kenny....you should not feel that it is your responsibility to protect the whole of the animal kingdom....there are 100s of thousands of people campaigning and taking action.....evils do-ers get their come-uppance in the end.
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...oc
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Yes but I like to spread the word, Leopard although 99% aren't listening, or interested. You never know, it might make a small differnce. Baffles me why the vast majority are so indifferent.
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There are only 11 people reading the posts on this thread....much better to spread the word on twitter or facebook or snapchat etc
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Don't use those, although a mate puts links up that I send him.
Prefer to annoy people on here.  Don't make a habit of boring people too often though. |
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I find it best to focus on the good stuff in life.
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Mr Harris was convicted of all twelve counts after the jury were told by the trial judge to 'recognise a RED HERRING when you see one and ignore it'; but the prosecution barrister had told the jury in her closing speech that Mr Harris' explanations and denials were RED HERRINGS. Was the judge summing up on behalf of the prosecution by effectively telling the jury to ignore Mr Harris denials and explanations? This was a gross burden of bias given to the jury by the trial judge who was supposed to have summed up impartially.
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Can you provide a source for this Kenny and explain why Harris instructed his legal team to abandon his appeal against conviction if the trial judge had so blatantly misdirected the jury in the manner your source claims?
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An old girlfriend of mine was in a hotel in Birmingham - and met Rolf Harris.
Within a couple of minutes, he had propositioned her. This was about 1988. She would have been about 22. He would have been about 57. |
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I wouldn't say 22 was old, Jack ?
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 Should I have said 'ex'? |
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Yes I'll look for it tonight Shrewd.Not saying he's innocent or guily but just playing a poor man's Henry Fonda.
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Yep Jack.
Ex would have avoided any potential confusion  |
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explain why Harris instructed his legal team to abandon his appeal against conviction
There could be any number of reasons, none of them necessarily based on a supposed biased summing-up by the judge. A possible reason is that Harris didn't want to risk losing an appeal and getting an increased sentence because of it. My partner was convicted and sentenced to a term of imprisonment for a crime she didn't commit. Her solicitor got 4 of the 5 convictions overturned on review due to lack of evidence. She declined, on advice, to risk going to a full appeal on the remaining charge because, if she lost, she would have had to serve the full term of her sentence. Once convicted, the system is stacked against the prisoner. |
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An appeal against conviction is different from an appeal against sentence. A person can appeal against both or sentence or conviction alone. A failed appeal against sentence may result in the sentence being increased but a failed appeal against conviction can not result in an increased sentence.
Yes there are a number of reasons why a person may drop an appeal but if what Kenny has posted is correct and that the judges summing up was impartial and biased, and it wasn't just a case of the judge and prosecution using the same turn of phrase once in their charges and speech (which were likely to be over an hour long at least), and he abandoned his conviction then it's Harris's own fault. |
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Sorry it's latish Shrewd.
Petition update Support Rolf Harris against this miscarriage of justice Anne Pyke London, United Kingdom 14 Feb 2016 — Rolf Harris has been subjected to a gross miscarriage of justice. He was convicted in 2014, as described in the petition, on the basis of no evidence. The dubious conduct of the prosecution in Operation Yewtree (and other related operations) is well known. From the outset Yewtree has been conducted on the basis that all allegations against the famous must be immediately treated as true. Claimants have been automatically accepted as victims of crime. The observations made by Jim Davidson and Paul Gambaccini have been to the effect that the police and the CPS are not interested in evidence. The allegation is everything. It doesn’t matter whether it is true or not. This is borne out in the case of Rolf Harris. Judges have a responsibility to protect the public against ill-founded and dangerous prosecutions. Juries should be able to believe that the evidence that is presented to them is safe. In the case of Mr Harris the police, the Crown Prosecution Service and the Judge were found wanting in the face of the evidence. On 3 February, The Sun newspaper announced to the public that the police would see Rolf to speak to him about new charges on 12 February. Presumably they were tipped off by the police? It also said that with new complaints being put forward Rolf would not be able to focus on his appeal. On 12 February the CPS announced that Rolf would face seven further indecent assault charges. The specific details of these new allegations are as yet uknown. At this stage, based on the track record of Operation Yewtree, the Metropolitan Police and the CPS we have to assume that these new charges are indeed ‘more of the same’ and that the new charges have been brought in order to prevent an appeal. Thank you for signing this petition and for your comments of support. Please pass the petition on if you can because Rolf needs all the support we can give him. |
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The integrity of the UK criminal justice system has fallen into 'Kangaroo Court' style persecutions due to the 'I believe you' edict of sexual abuse allegations. The 'I believe you' edict of our justice system must be reversed and replaced with objective and neutral investigation. Even juries are told by judges to 'believe' what is obviously untrue because of these crude and archaic guidelines, resulting in miscarriages of justice and innocent people imprisoned.
Rolf Harris was tried at Southwark Crown Court enduring four trials at once. There were four accusers and a total of twelve charges. Tonya Lee had already sold her story to a magazine so had a financial interest in sticking to the already published story. In court the story was shown to contain serious falsehoods and she admitted that she lied to the police. Despite this Mr Harris was found guilty. The alleged Leigh Park community centre assault was alleged to have been done at a time when Mr Harris was in fact in another part of the country, and this can be easily proved. A police search for evidence that Mr Harris had appeared at the community centre at this time confirmed that he had never appeared there at all. The police admitted in court that they had NO EVIDENCE that he had even been there, but despite this Mr Harris was found guilty. The Cambridge celebrity It's a Knockout allegation was made by a woman who claimed she was thirteen/fourteen at the time of the assault. The assault happened in public and yet nobody saw it happen. Mid trial she changed this story to fit an appearance Mr Harris had made at a Star Games event, three years later. She changed her age to sixteen/seventeen and the location miles away from the site of the original allegation. Despite this Mr Harris was found guilty. Mr Harris admitted a consensual affair with a woman younger than him but of consenting age. It was shown that this woman had attempted to blackmail him after asking him for £25000 and there was no evidence to show that any under age abuse took place as she later claimed. Despite this Mr Harris was found guilty. Mr Harris was convicted of all twelve counts after the jury were told by the trial judge to 'recognise a RED HERRING when you see one and ignore it'; but the prosecution barrister had told the jury in her closing speech that Mr Harris' explanations and denials were RED HERRINGS. Was the judge summing up on behalf of the prosecution by effectively telling the jury to ignore Mr Harris denials and explanations? This was a gross burden of bias given to the jury by the trial judge who was supposed to have summed up impartially. Criminal justice must be based on truth and not the 'I believe' edicts that allows any person to make any claim of abuse against any person and be believed; with cases going to court despite there being evidence contrary to the claims and the resultant miscarriages of justice. Mr Harris has been denied a right to appeal and this travesty of justice must be urgently reviewed and his right of appeal allowed. |
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First one was the latest update.
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Any forumites want to change their mind?
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Doesn't seem to "beyond reasonable doubt", to me if the above is true.
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So your source is a petition written by Rolf Harris' campaign team?
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IF being the operative word.
On all known information, the evidence bought by the claimants has been found to be valid, and therefore he is guilty of abuse. |
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knobbing his daughters mate for years
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