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macarony
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Why allowing refugees and migrants to come to the west is wrong, and it as nothing to do with the negative impact  it is currently having in Europe or anywhere else in the West.

It is the wrong thing to do for these people and more importantly the countries they are fleeing from.
Lets me start with the most obvious problem, for every one person that makes it to safety there will many many more left behind who will never be able to escape.
Now even for that most ardent supporter of these people coming to the West, that is an inescapable fact. These people are only the tip of the iceberg and the real tragedy is still back home.

Secondly the people who have got out and made it to safety are the very cream of their society , the young the wealthy and the educated people with drive and ambition. In other words the very essential people any country needs to not only to survive, but drive its people out of poverty and oppression.

Thirdly incentive, the great opportunity we gift to those like the Taliban and Isis and all the other oppressors who wage war on their political and religious opponents. They know only too well that if they attack people they will flee to another land. No wonder the world keeps having these periodic atrocities, and so much of the world lives in poverty.

So what do we do? We cannot nor should not sit back and do nothing we have a duty to intervene.
It is time the UN stopped been a useless talking shop and gravy train ,and become the organisation it was always meant to be.

The UN should have an army that it can call on anytime it needs to intervene when civilians are in danger. The role of this army would be to go into and set up safe zones with all necessities to house people fleeing persecution in their own country.
So who will pay for and provide the troops and equipment? Let me start by saying that conscripted troops are nearly always worse than useless,  even regular army units that don’t believe or have no desire to be involved only make the situation worse. It is my opinion that only volunteer soldiers have the belief and compassion to get the job done properly.

So where do you get these men from? Well all countries should allow any of their men to volunteer if they wish from their armed forces, to join this volunteer force as and when needed.

There should also be a fund set up by the UN and all member states should contribute.
Currently there are refugee camps around the world, but they are derisory useless affairs where people are living in tents lacking basic amenities, it would be in our own selfish interest, and cheaper in the long run and more sustainable, to adequately fund and maintain these camps, with realistic housing  and electricity clean water and working sewers, education and employment.
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Report Just Checking • January 24, 2016 2:38 PM GMT
You're also missing out that the areas they are coming from are not a static population, like ours generally are. They have huge families there, we could keep taking large numbers every year and there would still be the same primary populations that wants to come here, and are living in the troubles that their own areas of the world and own peoples impose on them. Taking them to our own detriment is absolutely not a long term solution, it's madness and the lefties who can't count or think things through need a reality check.
Report macarony • January 24, 2016 3:03 PM GMT
That’s because they are only interested in maintaining the cycle of poverty and desperation. It’s no use them to have a world where all countries can feed and adequately support their own people. No money to made from other peoples misery, no fame or prestige helping the impoverished and needy, no chance to climb upon their high horse and chastise the rest of us for not allowing the lucky few to enter Europe. No my friend that’s no use at all.
Report Platini • January 24, 2016 3:48 PM GMT
I'm with Kenny Everett on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOHPZ51hAc
Report Burton-Brewers • January 24, 2016 6:31 PM GMT
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Report Just Checking • January 24, 2016 6:51 PM GMT
LOL post it on the "liberals" thread, he's waiting on youu.
Report STUDYFORM • January 24, 2016 7:02 PM GMT
Very good opening post imo.
Report Makybe_Diva • January 24, 2016 7:28 PM GMT
Yes. A very good post, macarony.
Report mad mad moon • January 24, 2016 8:12 PM GMT
I agree, excellent OP. The countries affected will need their 20 somethings far more
Than Europe will, when IS are finally defeated.
That's why the EU should buy a Greek island, and turn it into a long term holding station.
Ok, it's unfair on the islands inhabitants, but they could be adequately compensated, rehoused
on a similar island, and it would be a much needed economic boost to Greece.
And it would give Europe a chance to properly manage the problem rather
than the current "rabbit in headlights" mish mash.

Or I could be talking utter boll0x.
Report mecca • January 24, 2016 10:23 PM GMT
Give us all £1mmillion & they can have an island in Europe. It's called GB
Report macarony • January 25, 2016 5:12 PM GMT
mad mad moon
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I agree, excellent OP. The countries affected will need their 20 somethings far more
Than Europe will, when IS are finally defeated.
That's why the EU should buy a Greek island, and turn it into a long term holding station.
Ok, it's unfair on the islands inhabitants, but they could be adequately compensated, rehoused
on a similar island, and it would be a much needed economic boost to Greece.
And it would give Europe a chance to properly manage the problem rather
than the current "rabbit in headlights" mish mash.

Or I could be talking utter boll0x.

That will not stop another refugee crisis from occurring, they start when a dictator or religious nut decides to wage war on the people of his own country.
What these aggressors want more than anything else is for people to flee to the West, allowing them complete control of their country and to plant a time bomb under the civilised world.
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