David Bowie - Was he another Bad Egg??

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MadVlad 16 Jan 16 20:02 Joined: 23 Feb 12 | Topic/replies: 9,496 | Blogger: MadVlad's blog
Rockinron 16 Jan 16 19:55 Joined: 04 Jun 04 | Topic/replies: 709 | Blogger: Rockinron's blog
I associate typical paedo ..cigar smoking 50+ year old knobbing 13 year olds ...
All the gigs we played at had minimum entrance ages of 16+ !
Now ...our ages were 16 - 18 at the time - hardly paedo stuff !
If a 14 year old lied about her age to get in to the dance - hardly our fault !
And as she's slipping her draws off in the back of our Van ...do you really think we're going to ask - can I see your driving licence or passport dear ? Get phucking real.

^ Mates with Jimmy Saville ?
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^ I was making a point,maybe poorly but Rockinron weather you like it or not you've more or less posted that you were complicit in engaging in sex with underage girls. Whilst I realise "things were different back then" does that make you any different to all the high profile people being brought to justice now ?

Ron pm sent
aka on on the way for you

Thanks Foxy.

one on the way*

@MadVlad
Sorry but that's like comparing night with day.
People like Savile were predatory and targeted the weak and vulnerable and didn't care how young they were.
Whilst those in bands etc were targeted by the young girls who dressed up to make themselves look much older.

^ I was making a point,maybe poorly but Rockinron weather you like it or not you've more or less posted that you were complicit in engaging in sex with underage girls. Whilst I realise "things were different back then" does that make you any different to all the high profile people being brought to justice now ?
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akabula 16 Jan 16 20:39 Joined: 13 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 16,513 | Blogger: akabula's blog
@MadVlad
Sorry but that's like comparing night with day.
People like Savile were predatory and targeted the weak and vulnerable and didn't care how young they were.
Whilst those in bands etc were targeted by the young girls who dressed up to make themselves look much older.
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^ I do not for a minute think that argument will stand up in a court of law ffs

Maybe not but how they are perceived will be hugely different.

Weather forecast, stormy tonight, whether you like it or not.

I like REM.

Girls who targeted the celebs wore it like a badge of honour whilst those abused by Savile will have viewed it much differently.

No comparison whatsoever. Crazy to suggest no difference.

Jan 15, 2016 -- 3:34PM, boxingthefox wrote:

Guys, I grew up in that era, and in London, it became a 'throphy Fck' for young (between 14 and 18 years old) girls to 'bag' a showbizz personalty (mainly singers/band members) it wasn't a question of roadies finding young girls as much as which ones should we choose from this lot wanting to come to the after show party for drink, drugs, and sex!!. Different days, different standards, both parties taking advantage of the other, Now we look at it and Quite rightly say the older of the participants, (the 'stars') should have known better, I've known quite a few girls who went 'hunting' and bragged about their success afterwards, of course there were the usual 'losers' who didn't succeed but claimed they had anyway. .Undoubtedly this was 'manna from heaven' for the predatory pedophiles. When I was 15 (1963) It was common knowledge, to keep away from a certain pub in Earls court because of the perv's that used the place Saville being among the most profilic offenders, especially with young boys in those days.

When I was 15 I was getting a right seeing to by an 18 year old. Should I report her? I still remember her fondly.

Good luck with that defence although I ain't sure a smiley face would help your barristers case

Quite right akabula ....bet you loved it!
Did you ever consider yourself being abused ?

aka, I was done by a 35 year old at 15, it was her daughterI was after.

She was a stunner though.

Rockinron  • January 16, 2016 8:59 PM GMT 
Quite right akabula ....bet you loved it!
Did you ever consider yourself being abused ?

Certainly not. A lucky b is what both me and my mates thought.

Good luck with that defence although I ain't sure a smiley face would help your barristers case ...
I think I could run to a QC aided by a junior Barrister ...and the prosecution witnesses/complainants are ???
Mmmmm doesn't seem to be any !

If a 14 year old lied about her age to get in to the dance - hardly our fault !
And as she's slipping her draws off in the back of our Van ...do you really think we're going to ask - can I see your driving licence or passport dear ? Get phucking real.

^ A responsible adult would be repulsed by that statement,if I had a 14 year old daughter who was immature and impressionable I would fully expect that any right and sensible adult would not abuse her.

Moreover I would DEMAND that the law punishes anyone who abused mentally or sexually my daughter.

^ Can anyone on here seriously tell me that I am WRONG ?

Barristers??? police???? ffs, are you for real, now your username makes sense. You left God out, I'm pretty sure you're a God botherer as well as being dim.

boxing if that is directed at myself I hope you do not have a young daughter like myself.

Jan 16, 2016 -- 9:05PM, MadVlad wrote:

^ Can anyone on here seriously tell me that I am WRONG ?

Barristers??? police???? ffs, you see how dim brings a thread down.

MadVlad  • January 16, 2016 9:05 PM GMT 
^ Can anyone on here seriously tell me that I am WRONG ?

Yes. Me. Not just wrong but silly.

I'm sure the other millions of fathers in the UK are not as paranoid as you. This is my last post to you as it's just getting really silly now.

Lighten up ffs, every decent father worries about their children, and rightfully wants to protect them, but suggesting someone you don't know is a Saville type goes way beyond that.

Nothing else you post can be taken seriously, except maybe an apology.

You are of course using the word "abuse" ...
I've never ever abused anyone at any age in my life ...any sex I've ever had has always been fully consensual.
Never ever thought to ask for "parents agreement" though..
See the postings above ...I realy don't think you have many on your side mate !
I also have two daughters ...now in their 30's, and I would have been horrified if I ever thought they were being abused by some aged paedo like Saville or Harris.
And that's the difference AGE ....and abuse - and non consensual sex!
Thanks for your support boxinthefox ...and others.
"Moreover I would DEMAND that the law punishes anyone who abused mentally or sexually my daughter"
I don't have a problem with that statemnt !

My daughter is 13 very immature loves pop music and is going thru puberty ( a nightmare). I think she is wanting to marry Justin Bieber as that seems to be her career path.Nothing else matters as apparently he is the one and only.

As a father I am enraged by comments on here and furthermore posters trying to belittle and defend someone who has openly addmitted he did not care as long as they dropped their drawers.

^ If you have a child trust me you would think differently.

FFS lighten up Vlad.

Rockinron 16 Jan 16 21:19 Joined: 04 Jun 04 | Topic/replies: 717 | Blogger: Rockinron's blog
You are of course using the word "abuse" ...
I've never ever abused anyone at any age in my life ...any sex I've ever had has always been fully consensual.
Never ever thought to ask for "parents agreement" though..Laugh
See the postings above ...I realy don't think you have many on your side mate !

^ You are on dodgy ground son,I may not have a couple of idiots on here on my side but I bet you I have a case for a police investigation .

Guys you can't educate pork, so this is probably a futile exercise.

Ron did you play lead or bass.?

Nobody condoning underage sex merely highlighting a time in history when things changed suddenly.
Pop bands blossomed at the same time as 'free love' hit the streets.
All Ron has said is that during that period some might have been underage.
Anyways I suppose you'll be off to plod now with your case. Good luck with that.

Going by your posts ...and what others have stated above ...
You're obviously some kind of God bothering fantasist !

Ron did you get my pm.?

^ If your innocent a may be appropriate,but if your a victim a is the norm.

Rockinron 16 Jan 16 21:27 Joined: 04 Jun 04 | Topic/replies: 718 | Blogger: Rockinron's blog
Going by your posts ...and what others have stated above ...
You're obviously some kind of God bothering fantasist !

^ speak to the police then son,while your at it explain to your daughters why you have to go to the police station laughing now ?

Oh and your Wife lol that will be a hoot.

Getting silly now Vlad.

This place makes me mad.

Right is there anyone on here whose 14 yr old daughter goes to a concert tomorrow night and comes home dripping with SP**K because a member of some music bank decided she was fair play thinks that is correct ?????

Please post now that it is acceptable and you agree that the law should not be involved as your daughter should have kept her feckin knickers on !

Vlad

You do seem quite mad. Give your head a shake. The fella wasn't saying he sought out under aged girls. If young girls were chasing around at all hours chasing after sex with older men then their parents should be putting their foot down.

WELL ????????

MadVlad
MadVlad 16 Jan 16 21:40 Joined: 23 Feb 12 | Topic/replies: 9,512 | Blogger: MadVlad's blog
This place makes me mad.

Right is there anyone on here whose 14 yr old daughter goes to a concert tomorrow night and comes home dripping with SP**K because a member of some music bank decided she was fair play thinks that is correct ?????

Please post now that it is acceptable and you agree that the law should not be involved as your daughter should have kept her feckin knickers on !

I played Bass guitar in the band ...but also play a bit of Rythm/Lead guitar now.
Just love guitars ..although I must admit I'm no "Eric Clapton or Jimmy Page" (I wish).
I'm now in my sixties ...so been playing a long time ...there are 15 year old kids on YouTube who play better than me ...
I was watching a Vid of Michael Jackson the other night "This is it" rehersals from the O2 before he died...there's a female
guitarist playing with his band..Orianthi Panagaris she's phucking awesome - have a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3C-xpkyK_o

Eeternaloptimist 16 Jan 16 21:41 Joined: 28 Jun 10 | Topic/replies: 35,708 | Blogger: Eeternaloptimist's blog
Vlad

You do seem quite mad. Give your head a shake. The fella wasn't saying he sought out under aged girls. If young girls were chasing around at all hours chasing after sex with older men then their parents should be putting their foot down.

^ you got a daughter mate ?

Will do.

MadVlad
MadVlad 16 Jan 16 21:41 Joined: 23 Feb 12 | Topic/replies: 9,514 | Blogger: MadVlad's blog
MadVlad
MadVlad 16 Jan 16 21:40 Joined: 23 Feb 12 | Topic/replies: 9,512 | Blogger: MadVlad's blog
This place makes me mad.

Right is there anyone on here whose 14 yr old daughter goes to a concert tomorrow night and comes home dripping with SP**K because a member of some music bank decided she was fair play thinks that is correct ?????

Please post now that it is acceptable and you agree that the law should not be involved as your daughter should have kept her feckin knickers on !

Ron did you get my pm.
How do I pick it up on here ?
I'll have a scout round ..

Rockinron would you be happy |?

Vlad read the thread from the beginning.
We're talking about young girls throwing themselves at pop stars.

With someone filling your daughter who was underage c'mon ron pray tell.

Personally I wouldn't have let my daughter go to a pop concert when she was 14.

akabula
akabula 16 Jan 16 21:46 Joined: 13 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 16,524 | Blogger: akabula's blog
Vlad read the thread from the beginning.
We're talking about young girls throwing themselves at pop stars.

^ Oh Ive read the thread alrite,rockin had daughters and I'm asking him if he would be happy with someone porking them when they were 14 yr old ??

Who would ffs.

Well Rockin your daughters fair game ?

A man who knows a girl is under aged and has sex with her is a fiend Vlad. The younger the more vile it becomes and the older he is the more vile it becomes. A man who is responsible and who asks a girl her age and is informed she is 18 when she is actually 15 isn't a fiend if he has sex with her.

akabula 16 Jan 16 21:49 Joined: 13 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 16,526 | Blogger: akabula's blog
Who would ffs.

^ I concur yet some on here seem to be taking a jocular approach to child abuse,it is and do not let anyone tell you it was just "the times".

Child abuse is child abuse.

Eeternaloptimist 16 Jan 16 21:51 Joined: 28 Jun 10 | Topic/replies: 35,709 | Blogger: Eeternaloptimist's blog
A man who knows a girl is under aged and has sex with her is a fiend Vlad. The younger the more vile it becomes and the older he is the more vile it becomes. A man who is responsible and who asks a girl her age and is informed she is 18 when she is actually 15 isn't a fiend if he has sex with her.

^ I could not agree more mate,spot on !

If a 14 year old lied about her age to get in to the dance - hardly our fault !

^ Now that is somewhat disturbing to me.

Great playing Ron, shes very good.

I went to the Ronny Lane 'benefit at the Albert hall, Jeff  Beck played 6 numbers showing his guitar skills, Slowhand followed, again great playing, then Jimmy page came on, what a performance, he made that guitar absolutely sing, incredible playing. unfortunately made the other 2 look ordinary, which of course they were not.

That is a statement that makes me sick.

The 60s and 70s spawned some great musicians Foxy.
Tremendous time for music .

Well Rockin your daughters fair game ?
Well ..they're now in their late 30's ...
I remember when they were teenagers - when they came home from school the 'phone wouldn't stop ringing - girlfriends phoning boys asking them out for dates I suppose etc ...was most annoying but I really didn't interfere that much in their lives.
I clealy remember some events in the past...now with some amusement -
My wife and I had been to London shopping one nice summers day  - I remember coming back home (we had a large detatched bungalow with a swimming Pool in the back garden ..Log Chalet etc) ..the garden was full of their teenage girlfriends and some boys ...my wife remarked ..Oh my God some of those girls are "topless" (not my daughters mind) I just laughed - let em get on with it.
I mean as an Adult parent ...what can you do ?

Trying to post a pic ...

Disturbing thread

Jan 16, 2016 -- 9:59PM, akabula wrote:

The 60s and 70s spawned some great musicians Foxy.Tremendous time for music .

The best for British music.

Trying to post a pic ...can't see "insert photo" anywhere - help guys
where is it ?

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scandanavian_haven 16 Jan 16 22:06 Joined: 27 May 11 | Topic/replies: 3,268 | Blogger: scandanavian_haven's blog
Disturbing thread

I concur.

I have never posted one, sorry.

Savile was untouchable at the time because he raised millions for children's charities (and no doubt resulted in many kids lives being saved in hospital). Also, probably because of his philanthropy, the police thought he was a brilliant chap and therefore he could do no wrong in their eyes (and to a lot of the population as well).

And to top it all, he was a personal friend of the prime minister (Thatcher)  and was invited to the Thatchers private house over the Christmas period.

With that sort of 'ammunition', what chance did the victims of his abuse ever have of bringing Savile to court for his crimes - virtually none sadly!

I remember being at school aged 14/15 and quite a few girls were going out with 18yr olds that had left the school a couple of years earlier always found that a bit creepy even when I was 14/15 so even that slight age difference,hanging outside school gates waiting for them made my skin crawl even then..

kenco you had a sense of what was right and wrong even when you were 15,right is right and wrong is WRONG !

The Apologists on here need to evaluate their values about what is right and what is wrong irregardless of different times. The KKK were wrong 200 years ago,100 years ago and are still wrong NOW !
A bit like Paedaphilia.

There was no KKK 200 years ago.

It's a funny old World ..just out of interest I was looking at age of consent for sex in different Countries :-
In the Netherlands, the official age of consent for sexual activity is 16.
But as the Holland Sentinel has reported, Holland�s age-of-consent law "permits sex between an adult and a young person between 12 and 16 if the young person consents.
In Spain - it used to be 13 - now 16.
In - Austria, Bulgaria, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Portugal, San Marino - it's 14.
And if you look at some of the "Arab World" ...they're getting married from the age of 8 !
I'm sure you've seen the adverts on telly asking for donations to stop the practice ...
DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER !

Yea I mean She's only a girl She can't possibly know her own mind!

What a pile of Patriarchal Bulls**t!

Indeed the law needs to be precise but the concept of right and wrong can be a little more vague. Say your daughter went out to a concert and came home in the manner that you described and she went out the day before her 16th birthday. Would you enquire as to if she had sex before or after midnight and be morally outraged if it was 11.30pm but be o.k. with the situation if it was 12.30 am.

If the letter of the law is the be all and end all and your daughter went to a pub for a drink when she was 17 would you report her for underage drinking or would you report her to the police if she was driving and did 32mph in a 30mph zone. If you wouldn't report her why not. Are you making a subjective call on which laws are ok to be broken and which laws are not based on your interpretation of what is right and wrong.

Some of these Girls look 20 when done Up ,As I stated there is a high percentage of lets say 14/15 year olds Bang at it ,More with boys of their own age ,but some with Older ,most Boys aged 14/15 would not be running away from a Shag ,why should girls be any different ?

The answer is old buggers over 40 say shouldn't be srewing anything that could be under 21.
On the other hand if you are 16 and 1 month and your girlfriend is two months younger does that make you a paedophile ?
This whole subject needs to be given more rational thought than we get on here or in the media.

True Salmon but then some Ladies prefer Older Men

My Daughter was 29 Dated a Guy 50

At sec school there was a girl in our class looked at least 4 years older than the rest of us.
She wasn't interested in any of us. I think she thought of us as too young.

Spot on AK

The Female Species is a Strange one ,once they set there target on a Guy be they 14 or 40 Wild horses will not pull them away ,I call it wild Horse Syndrome

Fkin True Ak I have two daughters they are Like models and Im not just saying that because they are mine ,I have plenty of Experience of Boyfriends ,My older girl has been out with Various chaps one of them would not have got a kick in a stampede ,a miserable basterd as well ,Beyond Belief TBH the 50 yr old I was 50 at the time myself Actually a lovely bloke ,I still talk to him now ..

one of them would not have got a kick in a stampede

made me chuckle

"The Female Species is a Strange one ,once they set there target on a Guy be they 14 or 40 Wild horses will not pull them away ,I call it wild Horse Syndrome Laugh"
Wouldn't disagree with that !

There are quite a number of females (at whatever age) that go out to night clubs and target pop stars and these days footballers - with the aim of bedding them ...then trot off to the Newspapers to sell their story ..
Here's your cheque love ..£50k luvvly jubbly !
Can't remember seeing anything in the Media about Bowie being a paedo..and now the poor bugger is dead has no way to defend himself !

Lots of stuff about celebrities gets stopped before it's published.
The celebrity's lawyers simply take out an injunction and that puts the lid on it.

I hear what you say Dr.Crippen -
but surely if the Police had "cast iron irrefutable evidence" - they'd prosecute! 
Money (& celebrity Lawyers) never stopped the Police prosecuting Rolf Harris or Max Clifford.

If a complaint has been made to the police the evidence is strong and they'll prosecute.

If the accusations are coming through the media, then an injunction is likely to be applied for.

If someone makes a complaint to a newspaper about a person and it is published, many more complaints about that person are likely to come to light.
An injunction can stop that process before it even starts.

I think Bowie was charged with assaulting a woman in Dallas but was cleared.

If a complaint has been made to the police the evidence is strong and they'll prosecute !
That's exactly my point !

the woman was 30yrs old and as you say the charges were dropped, maybe he was putting out fire with gasoline

I'm reporting rockinron to the police, for no particular reason I just think the police might have something on him, a very shifty character IMO.

Bowie had a few decent tunes.  No doubt about that.

I was never a great fan of his but to accuse him of nonsense in his grave is like calling Lemmy a POOF to his face when he was alive.

IMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ64lqpePUM

You know he did it.....tough to find out your hero has feet of clay.

In the case of the BBC nonces the enablers are the people around who turned a blind eye to what was happening.