Islamophobes

Mikael DHaguenet is as eloquent as the gentlemen he champions.

Those women in Cologne must be Islamophobes.
All those Oslo rape victims more Islamophobes.
Those Swedish women dyeing their hair out and out Islamophobes.
Families of those shot in Paris the worst type of Islamophobe.

The more crimes these gentlemen commit the more Islamophobes they create.

Mikael

Why this thread, what's the purpose?

I had you down for an intelligent forumite and while I didn't agree with many of your posts, I respect your right to comment.

But this thread? Why?

Just before I **** off, one of your mates has just been shot dead in Paris.

Why? Because I'm sick of reading the same sh!t posted every day.

KK. Good. They're not my mates.

Christianophobes, Kuffarophobes, Infidelophobes, westophobes, womenophobes, Commonlawophobes, etc,etc, et fckin cetra, may you all rot in HELL!!! Now fck off if you don't like us or our society, we don't want you, and have no interest in you or your winsey arsed supporters.

"Why? Because I'm sick of reading the same sh!t posted every day". Fck off then, simple really. Any resemblance between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.

Have a nice day, somewhere else if you don't like it here. I hear Syria is nice this time of year. Byeeeee.

I love it here. Me and my Muslim neighbours are laughing at you.

Jan 7, 2016 -- 12:09PM, Mikael D'Haguenet wrote:

Fair enough, BTF. Gloves off. You're a c*nt.

Your Muslim neighbours use a gambling site??, being stupid is one thing, but being a stupid liar is different territory entirely.

Have you been on the Jemmy??

They're not ALL good (bad?) Muslims, BTF. I even know some who drink alcohol!

If 'Jemmy' is slang for paint, yes.

Oh dear,  Did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning?.

I did, in a vain attempt to bring me down to your level.

Jan 7, 2016 -- 12:18PM, Mikael D'Haguenet wrote:

They're not ALL good (bad?) Muslims, BTF. I even know some who drink alcohol!

Where did I state that they were ALL BAD?????.    AGAIN.... Any resemblance between your reality and mine is purely coincidental. Just for clarity.

Mikael DHaguenet is a typical leftie denier,he surely lives in Rotherham.

He doesn't get that his great Muslim pal who drinks alcohol is no longer a Muslim and the penalty for that crime is death.

Facts ?

Where's he gone, Must be feverishly looking up past posts of mine to try and justify his stupidity.

If you can't manage a continuous conversation, then give it up FFS.

wildmanfromborneo, I : learned a long time ago that 'you cant educate pork' so I won't try with this idiot.

wildmanfromborneo, a belated HNY.

Jan 7, 2016 -- 12:31PM, Capt__F wrote:

Facts ?

Now known as IAN on the forum. Because he is an IAN of the highest order.

Happy New Year to you too Boxingthefox.

I heard great things about you from Workrider,I hope you have a great year health wise,maybe a trip to Leopardstown would improve things.

That would be great, If I 'get over' then Leopardstown is a must.

This is the offician 'I heart Muslims' thread, not a love in between you, WMFB and wonky!

BORINGGGGGG. Here's an idea, I'll try being nicer if you'll try being more intelligent.

Posted somewhere today on a gambling forum, yes gambling forum,  "I'm sick of reading the same sh!t posted every day".....OOOOOHHHHH the irony.

I'm fed up with you now, I cant be waiting half an hour for a reply.

Must away, The sport of Kings calls. GL guys.

We know you heart Muslims we just think you are a typical intolerant leftie who's first reaction is to curse and swear and want to suppress any news you don't like.

You live in a shallow world,you are a Coca Cola swigging,McDonalds chomping,Soap opera addicted individual living in a haze of permanent adolescence

end of terrace dweller magnet has muslim 'neighbours'  are you sure ?  anyway he is like one of these climate warmist deniers but put islamist terror denier in its place ha ha

better not let your wife out on the street then - look what they did in cologne!!!

Ever thought of a career as a criminal profiler WMFB?

Mind you magnet could be right.  After all an innocent muslim wanders into a police station and the racist islamaphobic police gun him down.

I have a naysayer response to this.  Witnesses say he had a butchers knife and was wearing some sort of vest.

Well.  He could be a butcher off duty for starters.  Wearing a vest??  Well it is rather cold at the moment.  He could also have been returning a dangerous weapon to the police for safe keeping.

Why didn't the police invite him in out of the cold??  Clearly this is trigger happy racist islamaphobes in action.  I await several arrests.

As for shouting allahu akba - well a guy has every right to proclaim his religion.  The police have many questions to answer.

I have to go now as my nurse has my pills.  Thankyou for listening.

Yes, I have Muslim neighbours. I call him Ali even though that's not his name because I'm secretly a little bit racist myself.

The wife is a black belt in Kung Fu. They better come armed!

I thought that job got outlawed deemed to be racist.

A swarthy young man with a rucksack on his back must be treated the same as some little old lady with a walking stick when boarding a plane

that old lady might be a late convert - the worst type - watch your back in the post office queue wildman hahahah

from the guardian comments page

We have friends living in Calais, both are very left wing and teach in local schools, I know them because they spend their holidays here in Greece, listening to them now compared to when the 'refugee's first arrived paints a different picture and a frightening one where locals are frightened to walk out at night, women daren't go out unless in groups, local children are escorted everywhere and crime such as sexual assaults, mugging's and thefts is endemic. It's easy to say they are forced into this position because of the conditions they endure and for that they deserve some sympathy but many of these people are not 'refugees'. There are hundreds of single men ruling these camps with violence, it seems crime rules and I was told the authorities allow it to continue , local media are instructed play down what actually goes on in Calais and other camps like these. How and why the UK and France do very little is anyone's guess but certainly the ordinary French citizen is suffering.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest mobo.

Where law and order is not practised, you get the rule of might and 'Darwinism on speed' of the kind you have outlined.

Leave that unchecked in it's own environment (in this case, The Jungle at Calais Docks) and the perpetrators get a sense of invincibility and a willingness to export their thuggery to the immediate vicinity.

For the life of me I cannot understand why The EEC is not supporting Britains wholly logical stance of dealing with the Middle Eastern migrant situation at source (ideally in safe havens in Syria, Libia etc or failing that, the migrants first safe stopping point in Greece, Turkey or Southern Italy).

Failing that, why criminal acts (from the relatively minor trespass and destruction of property to the more serious robbery and sexual assault) cannot be treated under nation states criminal law, with punishment up to and including deportation.

Of course, Frau Merkel effectively handing EEC border control policy over to people traffickers doesn't help, but that's another story

George Soros and Erdogan have both stated they want to see the EU taken down and Europe Islamised, and it is their money that is funding it.

Once there was a trickle, then there seemed to be a flood, all very cleverly coordinated and organised. These people almost all have fake Syrian passports, and yet all seemed to come from different Islamic countries from all over the world..... and all at the same time.

They must have got funding from somewhere, how can so many from poverty stricken backgrounds all seem to come together all at once and all seem to have the thousands of dollars to pay for their journey.

This is definitely arranged and coordinated like I say, this s not organic, this is a massive Islamic call to arms... Oh yes, there are a tiny % that are refugees.... those will be the women and children sprinkled in knowing the western media would focus on them alone, which they have.

I am sorry, but this i n v a sion is 80% jihadi. It carries all the hallmarks, and I am quite frankly stunned that 90% of Europe's leaders and security services have not yet worked it all out... Or are they involved????

I personally fancy the latter.,, This is an engineered civil war drawn across cultural lines, a deliberate clash of civilisations and ideals. They know this is going to be a spark to ignite the bigger plan.... These muslims are acting as the useful idiots and they will have agent provocateurs amongst them, leading them.. These are installed and funded by the new world order who want total control over everyone, massive surveillance and basically have everyone enslaved.

Also what better system to force us to live under than Sharia where people live in constant terror and fear, and thus easier to control.

That is drivel Mobo.

MAKES you think though. Your alternative please? 
  This erickthegoon is an old style mohammaden has invaded syria and is bombing the kurds while the usa looks on and sponsors them.  Usa invented daesh. I ask how far does it go.  The jihadi's said they were going to send it to us and they are?  How do you not know the money men aren't using this to get the unions completely crushed so there is no resistance and wages can be kept low to satisfy their craven need for profit.  Remember the capitalists backing Mr hilter that nice man from minehead!!!  Look how that turned out.    Even if I am wrong would you not agree that sharia law would be very helplful to them in many ways to control your population?

NOW we know - it had to be ha ha

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/07/british-mp-goading-uk-govt-into-banning-donald-trump-is-muslim-socialist-who-campaigned-for-obama/

she isn't going to be popular back home - just wait till her local imam gets hold of her parading herself around like that!!!!

*is not it

Mobo you are right to highlight the threat posed by the disgusting belief system of Islam and the denial of our leaders and the media.

Much of that is caused by those like Corbyn trapped by Socialist  dogma who appease and support Islam because it suits their agenda as evidenced in Northern towns when they used the racist slur against anyone who spoke up.Again in Germany the truth was suppressed  for the same reason .

Some of those with entrenched Socialist  views want to change society  by any means to their agenda and civil strife caused by Islam fits that agenda.

Apart from you I have never heard anyone from the left criticize Islam instead they blame the Western democratic  countries and are apologists for Islamic terror.

Personally I think liberal tolerance and belief in the fair execution of British Law and Order is the only answer to extremism, Muslim or anything else.

Socialists are (generally though not exclusively) so anti-Israel they're stuck firmly in the 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' camp and therefore blind to the anti-social elements of extreme Islam.

The extreme right need Islam extremism to exist and have a vested interest in talking up the Muslim threat. In point of fact their views on civic liberalism (re gay rights, women's rights, trades unions etc) have plenty in common with their opponents.

How come there is no term such as "Buddhistphopia", "seekphobia" or "Hinduphobia"?

So it is NOT racist at all, those who use the racist term for those who speak out against Islam and what it stands for are completely ignorant.

It must be common sense to worry about your way of life when you see it being eroded by a systematic takeover.

The large media companies want higher populations, more revenue and more profit. So they don't speak out and often hide the truth.

The politicians do not want to lose votes so do not speak out. And they do not want to upset the press as they will turn on them and no chance of getting elected then.

We  are being sold short and luvvie lefties just cannot see the truth of what is happening.

Correct rtb the so called extreme right  and extreme left are the same only one view allowed .

That is why they fight against each other 'like poles repel'

I don't know about fighting I just don't want to be shafted by some very dangerous people. It now turns out that in cologne there plenty of paper carrying new migrants involved!!  Just saying.

It's a tough one Mikael because it may seem that some people just don't like Muslims and for sure there are some of those but there are also a lot of people who believe in concepts of fair play and the rule of law who have been left aghast at some of the goings on over the last few years.

After being publicly accused by Glenn Greenwald of "spouting and promoting Islamophobia," Sam Harris responded with these words:

"Needless to say, there are people who hate Arabs, Somalis, and other immigrants from predominantly Muslim societies for racist reasons. But if you can't distinguish that sort of blind bigotry from a hatred and concern for dangerous, divisive, and irrational ideas -- like a belief in martyrdom, or a notion of male 'honor' that entails the virtual enslavement of women and girls -- you are doing real harm to our public conversation. Everything I have ever said about Islam refers to the content and consequences of its doctrine. And, again, I have always emphasized that its primary victims are innocent Muslims -- especially women and girls.
There is no such thing as 'Islamophobia.' This is a term of propaganda designed to protect Islam from the forces of secularism by conflating all criticism of it with racism and xenophobia. And it is doing its job, because people like you have been taken in by it."

Excellent post HH, " I have always emphasized that its primary victims are innocent Muslims -- especially women and girls". their treatment truly beggars belief,

I have traveled extensively in the last 40 years, all the continents bar the frozen one, I have been to Sunni and Shia dominated societies, some extremely poor some extremely rich. The most striking thing was the treatment of women in all these places.

While Christianity has managed to evolve albeit kicking and screaming in some centuries, Islam has altered not one jot, some would argue that it is in fact regressing in some countries, and I don't mean in Daesh controlled areas.

Proper debate has and is being stifled by the moronic Islamophobia chanters.

I like Sam Harris. Accusing him of 'Islamophobia' seems silly since he's all-religion phobic. That said, I don't agree with him on the bolded part.

As mentioned, the use of 'Islamophobia' as an 'umbrella description' that encompasses people who simply hate one or more particular race, is at best misleading, making a clear distinctions for the purposes of reasoned debate harder/impossible?.

Islamophobia as a concept exist now  by virtue of the fact that is is being used (wrongly imo) extensively to describe anyone who expresses an opinion that is contrary to or questions  Islamic Ideology.

Anyone who expresses hatred of another race, should be dealt with under present legislation, and not simply be labelled as an Islamophobe.

What term should we use instead, BTF? I actually agree with you but in these days of soundbites it helps to come up with a snappy term. 'Radicalextremefundamendalistophobe' doesn't quite work. While I say I disagree with the bolded part of Harris' statement, he basically addresses it in the unbolded part.

It's not a question of what term Michael, we are already saddled with this one which the media bandy about and abuse?)(at every hands turn. I can't see that changing any time soon.

)( ...WTF was that

" he basically addresses it in the unbolded part" indeed.

Mikael, I know we are not as far apart on this as the earlier replies imply, but a a post such as Islamophobes F*** off TIA, was always going to get an equally sharp reply from someone, let alone a c**t like me.

I'm offski GL.

Just a final thought, 'Radicalextremefundamendalistophobe' shortened to Refofphobe, might have an outside (100/1?) chance providing football pundits don't hijack it.

Them again maybe not.

Lose the phobia bit.. that's an irrational fear; you don't get Naziphobic or Fascistophobic.

Use what the latter 2 use... "Anti-"

Then use the word which is used by mainstream media to avoid using "Islamic"... i.e. "Islamist".

So you tell anyone who calls you an Islamophobe that you are actually Anti-Islamist. Job done.

If you were told that anyone who doesn't follow your code was of no status and didn't matter. It didn't matter much how you treated them and that women who uncovered their heads and went out on their own would suffer a fate decided by allah. Then what would your attitude would be if you came from a country where women were treated like second class citizens.  Clearly they are asking for it. Fair game eh chaps!!!??  Pile  in they were asking for it any way - it is written.

I posted this on another thread but I think it's worth repeating here ...

They are animals.

Used to live in Tehran with young family in late 70s.
Wife pushing pushchair with daughter in to pick up child 2 from local nursery.
Local animal (I presume Iranian, I presume Mussie, but Naydam et al - I have no real evidence except my wife said he looked Iranian and Iranians are predominantly mussies) ran up to her, grabbed her t1ts and then ran off!

They are animals, period.

So you are extrapolating from that one bloke who grabbed your missus that all Muslims are animals?

Clouseau ...

they've got form.  What else should I conclude?

he is just confirming that the cologne and other incidents are similar to something he has experienced - or his lady has - the more evidence we have the better

So We would be happy to be classified as racist yobs by those who saw the Paris metro Chelsea incident as we must all be like that?

he is just affirming what goes on generally in these countries and now in germany with an incident he has been involved with

hope this helps

Head, wall, banging, Mikael.

If this forum is symptomatic of society in general, then it's becoming frighteningly reminiscent of early-mid 1930's Germany.

Wow. Just wow.

Simple question..

Which predominantly Islamic country or region in Britain/Europe would anyone choose to move to, marry, raise children and enjoy life?

The nearest I can get to is a place like Fez in Morrocco which tends to be more Sufi Muslim.



I still would prefer to live in any Christian based society though.

Jan 8, 2016 -- 5:03PM, Eeternaloptimist wrote:

Head, wall, banging, Mikael.If this forum is symptomatic of society in general, then it's becoming frighteningly reminiscent of early-mid 1930's Germany.Wow. Just wow.

EO, I don't believe that any anonymous forum by it's very nature is symptomatic of society in general, People on here say things that they would not say face to face or in a group discussion.

This method of communication is extremely limited, Mikael started the thread by saying "Islamophobes **** off" I responded by saying you **** off, he then responded by saying "gloves off your a c**t" Which my peculiar humour found hilarious. we don't know anything about each other, but were engaging in a slagging match.

Now what I think Mikael was really saying (and I await correction) is ffs guys give it a rest, Islamophobes seems to have the monopoly on here, can we talk about something else please!!. At least in a face to face group discussion I imagine it could have run along those, or similar lines. As I don't know Mikael I can only guess.

Without the vital intonation of the spoken word it's too easy to get it wrong or get carried away because of misinterpretation. Just a thought.

There are a number of forumites on here who like a good wind up and silly banter, I'm as guilty as any on that count, But I believe/hope that despite what it sometime looks like, it is just that, and no real malice is intended.

As for Islam/refugees/terrorism etc, These are very important issues, and I'm sure many of the comments are heartfelt, but cannot find true expression on a forum like this because of the limitations mentioned above.

Finally (I'm fcked I'm a one fingered typist, ) I may of course have it all wrong, I would welcome your comments and Mikaels.

Yes boxing, but this is because you are a k@nt and k@nt help it.  I was told K@nts were useful so in your case you k@nt be a k@nt -

is that what you were on about!!!  oooops!!!

your you're*

The pub woz good yesterday, but indoors today (girlfriend keeps me IN he he - I like to be IN)  so its a few bottles of IPA or ABBOT this eve.

mobo you're spot on about the c**t bit I've forgotten what I was on about now,

sorry
I just cannot resist it. I am a sad old git.  But love it, because anyone calls you a K@nt you just say 'well k@nts are useful hehehe

ps we have one of those symptomatics

does the washing splendiforously

mobo years ogo I used to love Worthington White label, India pale ale, getting it poured without the sediment getting into the glass was a different matter. In my local I poured it myself after reminding the barman not to shake it, when taking it from the crate, they were rarely on the shelf.

symptomatics are surfactant lovers, and have been know to pay for the pleasure of nonionics and optical brightners.

you did the same with the original guinness in the bottle and there may be one or two real ales in a bottle brewed still - there was one with the wire clamp on the top to hold the cork in  DON'T SHAKE IT!!!! 

slurp!!!!  It is all personal taste of course but my biggerist favoritist to die for real ale is ENVILLE ALE  nice head as they do in the midlands - a golden ale   STATION INN KIDDERMINSTER - I travel there just to slurp!!! Hobsons brewery another very good one.

You might not be able to manage the hills around there, dudley nearby !!!  etc as you are used to flat places and might get lost too hahah

I don't know those ales I lived in london for 50 years, I'm in Rugby now, I'll have a lookout at the real ale shop for them. I'm ok going down hills,

Chit Chat is great, subjects go off on tangents then someone pulls it back again, great stuff.

NO THEY DON'T   thankyou.

Dinner calls.

Sorry didn't see your post to me earlier boxing. I understand and actually have some sympathy with mikael's comment. The Islam issue has (excuse the pun) exploded recently, perhaps boringly regularly for some.

But why is the question? Shiit's been happening. Regularly.

To me it's very complex with all manner of roots. I won't bore you or anybody else with my views on that. Suffice to say I believed studyform's comment about what happened in 1930's Germany staggering. I find it staggering because whilst conceding that the problem is multi faceted at the present time with Islam, Muslim and even to some extent some radical Islamists having some genuine grievances they do at least have open and relatively tolerant societies allowing them to air their grievances. In fact worse. In our case for many years they were (perhaps not as much now) allowed to make public expressions which would have seen others arrested. All manner of traditional social and cultural expressions of "Britishness" have been toned down and allowances made for Islamic practices which are not reciprocated in the Islamic world. For example the building of Mosques/Churches.

On numerous occasions our people have been bombed, blown up, beheaded etc etc. Whilst some would argue, with some justification many would say, that these are retaliatory attacks because of similar atrocities committed against Islamic people the fact is that these things have happened. And yet the attitudes of most western people has remained remarkably stoical in the face of these acts.

Which returns me to my wow moment. If you're giving me the hint that all along Study has actually been amongst the sane on this issue then fair enough. He's sure played his hand well. I took his comment to actually mean that the situation in our society is indeed analogous to that of Germany in the 30's and for the reasons given above I think that is grossly offensive stupidity.

If I've been done up like a kipper then well played Study but he must have been playing the long game because his comment didn't come as a surprise to me and was in keeping with many of the other comments I've seen him make. We've had our tiffs.

Thanks EO, (Eloquent as usual) I was more concerned with the spat  between Mikael and myself, and the restrictive nature of this medium, that can lead to aggression/misunderstanding. As for Study, I'm gobsmacked, it can only be drugs,

That's what I thought. I've got Study down as one of those no good trouble causing bleeding heart luvvies and I was doubting myself with your comment.