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03 Jan 16
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New series. German Cold War spy drama. A young soldier serving in the East German military in 1983 is recruited to become a secret agent. He is given a new identity and sent over the Berlin Wall, where he must infiltrate the West German army and uncover details of American military plans in Europe. In German
Really enjoyed the first episode,got it on series link now.
Recorded.....watching The Last Panthers too at the moment which is decent.
Saw the series in the Summer. Worth a watch no doubt.
Best thing to happen to TV since "DAS BOOT", which was a 3.5" flopppy used in the 80s to make articulated vehicles start.
it was rubbish...arrives in west then bolt to nearest supermarket
gets to stay at vip party then runs into house to phone home in the east,,bollox.imo.
gets to stay at vip party then runs into house to phone home in the east,,bollox.imo.
My understanding was that the Stasi had little need for the messy business of infiltrating its own citizens into the West in this manner, when so many stupid westerners were eager to do the job for them.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/shocking-new-research-stasi-had-thousands-of-spies-in-west-germany-a-799335.html
It's now possible to reconstruct in unprecedented detail where and how the Stasi cast its nets. The organization had 149 informants active just in Bonn, the former West German capital. There were 542 in West Berlin.
It seems the HVA recruited most of these spies from industrial sectors, as a way of obtaining Western technological knowledge. It also maintained excellent connections in the center-left Social Democratic Party, where 78 unofficial collaborators and other contacts kept East Berlin up to date, 13 of them serving as sources of information on activities within the party's executive committee. The Stasi was also well informed on internal matters in unions, churches and universities.
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Some former West German collaborators remain proud of the work they did for their brothers in the East. Peter Wolter is one of them. As a student of sociology and philosophy at Münster University in the 1970s, he joined a Marxist student group called Spartakus, which was secretly financed by East Germany. Wolter visited East Berlin frequently, and came into contact with the HVA there.
He established a successful career as a journalist, working for the German Press Agency (DPA) and holding a senior position at Reuters news service. The Stasi was particularly interested in a relative of Wolter's who worked in Cologne for the Office for the Protection of the Constitution. Peter Wolter sent reports to East Berlin over a period of 12 years.
Wolter was arrested soon after German reunification. He admitted to having worked for the Stasi, but insisted he had not been a spy or an agent, rather describing himself as a "scout." A court in Düsseldorf sentenced Wolter, who had founded the homeless newspaper "Draussen!" ("Outside!"), to two years on probation.
To this day, he defends his time as a West German Stasi collaborator. He "helped Europe to have half a century of peace," he says.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/shocking-new-research-stasi-had-thousands-of-spies-in-west-germany-a-799335.html
It's now possible to reconstruct in unprecedented detail where and how the Stasi cast its nets. The organization had 149 informants active just in Bonn, the former West German capital. There were 542 in West Berlin.
It seems the HVA recruited most of these spies from industrial sectors, as a way of obtaining Western technological knowledge. It also maintained excellent connections in the center-left Social Democratic Party, where 78 unofficial collaborators and other contacts kept East Berlin up to date, 13 of them serving as sources of information on activities within the party's executive committee. The Stasi was also well informed on internal matters in unions, churches and universities.
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Some former West German collaborators remain proud of the work they did for their brothers in the East. Peter Wolter is one of them. As a student of sociology and philosophy at Münster University in the 1970s, he joined a Marxist student group called Spartakus, which was secretly financed by East Germany. Wolter visited East Berlin frequently, and came into contact with the HVA there.
He established a successful career as a journalist, working for the German Press Agency (DPA) and holding a senior position at Reuters news service. The Stasi was particularly interested in a relative of Wolter's who worked in Cologne for the Office for the Protection of the Constitution. Peter Wolter sent reports to East Berlin over a period of 12 years.
Wolter was arrested soon after German reunification. He admitted to having worked for the Stasi, but insisted he had not been a spy or an agent, rather describing himself as a "scout." A court in Düsseldorf sentenced Wolter, who had founded the homeless newspaper "Draussen!" ("Outside!"), to two years on probation.
To this day, he defends his time as a West German Stasi collaborator. He "helped Europe to have half a century of peace," he says.
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04 Jan 16 22:50
My understanding was that the Stasi had little need for the messy business of infiltrating its own citizens into the West in this manner
Günter Guillaume
04 Jan 16 22:50
My understanding was that the Stasi had little need for the messy business of infiltrating its own citizens into the West in this manner
Günter Guillaume
That's true.
But Guillaume had been uncovered in 1974, nine years before the events of Deutschland 83, and both Guillaume and his boss subsequently admitted that the whole affair had been a fiasco, since it led to Willy Brandt's resignation, which was the last thing Moscow wanted. Brandt was, after all, almost an example of the stupid westerner I mentioned who was doing the Stasi's work for it.
But Guillaume had been uncovered in 1974, nine years before the events of Deutschland 83, and both Guillaume and his boss subsequently admitted that the whole affair had been a fiasco, since it led to Willy Brandt's resignation, which was the last thing Moscow wanted. Brandt was, after all, almost an example of the stupid westerner I mentioned who was doing the Stasi's work for it.
Viewing figures for +1 or next week will spike now
Bored with it after 2 episodes won't be watching a third
saw a snippet last night as I flicked through the channels and waiting for Mrs mememe to come to tell me what I was going to watch.
Looked extremely promising ... young lady stripped off and went into lake for a swim (man as well but not bothered about him). Anyway, I thought this looks good ... very educational ... then Mrs mememe came in and we watched that Fiona Bruce woman and bargain hunt or something (you know the programme where pretentious tw@ts (not all mind) come on and tell you all about a bit of junk ... expert says "have you had it valued" and pretentious tw@t says something like "not since 1972" and expert says "well, in this condition, at auction with the right buyer, I would expect it to fetch £200" and pretentious tw@t looks crestfallen.
Anyway, I saw Fiona Bruce fully clothed, thank god. And Mrs mememe avoided the sight of a naked blonde German young lady taking off her clothes and swimming nude in a lake.
Story of my life.
Looked extremely promising ... young lady stripped off and went into lake for a swim (man as well but not bothered about him). Anyway, I thought this looks good ... very educational ... then Mrs mememe came in and we watched that Fiona Bruce woman and bargain hunt or something (you know the programme where pretentious tw@ts (not all mind) come on and tell you all about a bit of junk ... expert says "have you had it valued" and pretentious tw@t says something like "not since 1972" and expert says "well, in this condition, at auction with the right buyer, I would expect it to fetch £200" and pretentious tw@t looks crestfallen.
Anyway, I saw Fiona Bruce fully clothed, thank god. And Mrs mememe avoided the sight of a naked blonde German young lady taking off her clothes and swimming nude in a lake.
Story of my life.
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