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Why I won't be giving anything to mainstream charities again.

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By:
Kelly Brook
When: 02 Jan 16 14:29
I work for one of the biggest charities in the uk and I have to say without any shadow of a doubt they are the most inept, badly managed ,fraudulent, wasteful  and generally clueless employer I have ever worked for (and I’ve worked for a few).

Examples:

The overwhelming majority of donations (90% +) are sold on to third party businesses at rock bottom prices or simply thrown away. For example any books not deemed sellable (owing to lack of storage room, poor condition, or an existing abundance of that particular title, genre etc) are sold to World of Books for the princely sum of 17p per kilo. Staff training is poor and many valuable and rare books are missed and offloaded in this way. Indeed the tendency for most staff is simply to hazard a guess when it comes to price.

World of books source exclusively from Uk charities and are very successful.  Absolute nonsense that a company should be able to make a profit from charitable donations in such a way.

The same is true of clothing donations which are sold to “rag” companies who pay by the kilo in a similar way . Much of this stock ends up sourced to high street retailers as boutique and vintage at a premium price. Again, completely ludicrous.

In order to secure the very best price,  the optimal way would be to sell the more specialised items (lenses, rare books etc) on ebay. However such sales are credited to the general charity ebay account and not to the individual shop so there is no incentive to sell in this way. Managers see ebay as one giant disincentive and would rather take a tenner for an item and be credited with that sale than the charity take £100 for it but the shop be credited with zilch. Ridiculous.

Fraud and theft is commonplace from the volunteer level right up to senior management . However prosecutions are rare as the management will do anything to avoid bad publicity. Petty cash “payments” are commonplace and I know of several drivers who were clearing 3x their official salary cash in hand.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 02 Jan 16 16:28
That is very interesting, Kelly.
Sort of reinforces my view.
By:
Just Checking
When: 02 Jan 16 23:33
The story in the paper today that Miliband the Davider is getting £425k salary from a charity makes me absolitely sick. Wtf specific skills did he gain in his life as a slimey career politician that he deserves that sort of money to run a ****ing charity?

The hypocrisy of lefties, I'm sure he'd not be short of a bit banker bonus bashing when they've made large profits for their company, when he's off milking the donations to a non for profit organisation to an obscene degree. That's 3x Cameron's salary, for running the UK.
By:
bongo
When: 03 Jan 16 11:18
Good post Kelly, cheers.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Jan 16 11:34
Gordon Brown has his own charity

after expenses of courseWink
By:
Aunty Post
When: 03 Jan 16 15:34
Had to meet an estate agent at a brand new property, a good few years ago, to carry out an inspection.

The place was a fair size (almost 3,000 sq ft) and lavishly appointed.

Asked what the owner did, and was told he is a charity fund raiser, based in London during the week!

The house isn't visible from the road now but these pics should give you an idea....

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By:
STUDYFORM
When: 03 Jan 16 16:08

Jan 2, 2016 -- 6:33PM, Just Checking wrote:


The story in the paper today that Miliband the Davider is getting £425k salary from a charity makes me absolitely sick. Wtf specific skills did he gain in his life as a slimey career politician that he deserves that sort of money to run a ****ing charity?The hypocrisy of lefties, I'm sure he'd not be short of a bit banker bonus bashing when they've made large profits for their company, when he's off milking the donations to a non for profit organisation to an obscene degree. That's 3x Cameron's salary, for running the UK.


This 'leftie hypocrisy' thing you attach to every thread seems to be something of an obsession.

There are greedy, self-serving, perverted, lying politicians on the side of all 'wings'.
They don't just make their money from charity either, they claim most of it from the public with dodgy expenses no other occupation would provide, with second and third properties they don't need and so on.
So perhaps it would be more accurate to call it the hypocrisy of politicians.

The charity rip-off is not the single domain of Miliband and I'm quite sure that there are many other politicians and ex-politicians of all persuasions on the various gravy trains they've developed for themselves. There are certainly plenty of slimy career politicians in government and the mere fact they align themselves with any charity should be warning enough to all those who wish to help those less fortunate than themselves ought to be looking at both the charity and the people involved.

As was outlined by Sidthekid earlier in the thread, there are now too many to police.

By:
TheCoat
When: 03 Jan 16 16:56
Sorry STUDYFORM but I'm not intelligent enough to understand your last post. Are you Vilifying Miliband or making an exception because you agree with his political leanings ?

  Confused of North Essex
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 03 Jan 16 17:19
What I'm saying is they all do it.
Not just the lefties. Some posters on here find it necessary to make an unnecessary political point at every opportunity.
It's nearly always 'luvvies, lefties, do-gooders' whether it's the press, the TV, the weather, state of the economy (any time, any economy), music, their (almost certainly limited) sex lives, roads, education and in this case.... charities.

What I'm saying is that this is not a leftie/rightie issue. It's an issue about how charities are a great big con.

I have no doubt that for every Miliband there's a Shapps or an Archer.
You can guarantee that the same people who post such as that quoted in my last post, would avoid mention of a similar occurrence if said politician had been a Tory.

fwiw, I have no affiliation with his political leanings, just less loathing than that of his supposed opposition.

That's what I'm saying.....

See you next Tuesday.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 03 Jan 16 17:21
btw coat,
I might bring my brother on Tuesday too if that's OK with you.
(saved me having to play snooker with him tonight).
By:
TheCoat
When: 03 Jan 16 17:38
The more the merrier StudyHappy
By:
Just Checking
When: 03 Jan 16 20:24
Bascially if george osborne left government and got £425,000 a year miking a charity, lefties would be all over this forum screaming about it. But a bit of what-about-ery from a little apologist studyform is just classic hypocrisy. FFS that "socialist" Sturgeon is on more than Cameron as a Salary for "running" Scotland, and she spends her time appointing "ministeraial" posts to her friend women to make up 50/50 job quotas to areas that aren't even devolved to that parliament in the first f**kin place, so are beyond pointless.

Is there any "socialist" apologist out there that can't see why zimbabwee is their role model, not a warning?
By:
Just Checking
When: 03 Jan 16 20:26
PS Spelling mistake intentional, let's see how that pans out Devil
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 03 Jan 16 21:44
wtf are you talking about.
I never see 'lefties all over this forum screaming" about anything as much as I see you waxing lyrical about the wonderous conservatives and berating everyone who could possibly have anything to say on any subject - which may in any way differ from your (mostly blinkered, completely bombastic) view, as a 'leftie' whatever it is they are trying to say.
I am not an "apologist" for anyone. My thoughts in starting this thread were specifically about how "charities" operate. I couldn't give a toss about which party various people who can be pin-pointed belong to. Nor could I give a toss about Miliband, Osborne, left, right, top of fecking bottom. Nor about who's appointing friends to what position, though if you think Sturgeon's the only one, you are incredibly naïve.

You, as always, are just using this as another thread to make the same boring, blinkered political points.
By:
Just Checking
When: 03 Jan 16 22:24
I've voted Labour in the past and I'm happy to say it to everyone on the forum, and also I might again if I believe it's the best choice. If anyone here is a stereotype, it's not me.
By:
themightymac
When: 03 Jan 16 22:57
LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Just Checking
When: 03 Jan 16 22:59
Glad to have made your new year mac, have a good one all of you :)
By:
themightymac
When: 03 Jan 16 23:10
You too JC, hope you have a wonderful 2016! If you ever venture up north, I'll treat you to some Haggis, Neeps and Tatties and Whiskey and introduce you to Nicola. It may change your stereotypical view of her and the Scots. She is a highly intelligent woman and extremely articulate.
By:
Pleasegivemeanailedontip
When: 04 Jan 16 00:51
It does irritate me when they say 'we only pay salarys that are in line with the rest of the sector'. I always find it interesting which lines fatcats use to justify themselves. Thats one of the slimiest imo.
By:
curious-cat
When: 04 Jan 16 22:10
along with 'one of my friends is black' spouted by racists
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 17 Feb 18 18:31
The recent Oxfam nonsense reminded me of this thread (and my big moan about charities) from over 2 years ago.
By:
moisok
When: 17 Feb 18 18:45
oh what timing study - that goldring  or whatever his name is, trying to play it all down as though it was only a few involved etc etc

its in the guardian
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 17 Feb 18 18:54
The whole 'sector' should be regulated by someone who actually regulates - Not the charities commission, which is as effective as the gambling commission
By:
moisok
When: 17 Feb 18 18:56
you won't like me saying this but I am appalled at the islamic 'charities'   -   amazing scenes

I bet there are zillions of others that are not really a charity
By:
moisok
When: 17 Feb 18 18:58
muslim women's network uk
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 17 Feb 18 19:05
Charities seem to be the opposite of what they should be, should be well off people working for free or enough to get by, the wages of some of their employees is utterly disgusting. I know i would not be able to sleep at night if i worked for a charity and took home their crazy salaries.

I have worked in an oxfam shop for free and drop stuff to them every few months, now i detest them, which is the wrong view to have.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 17 Feb 18 20:18
We gave some really good stuff to an Oxfam shop, including new clothes costing £100's it never appeared in the shop we left it at and I always doubted it ever made the sort of money we intended for the charity.

Also, just walking home from work, along my local high street, there are loads of charity shops. Their prices are ridiculous!!!
2nd hand board games and books at about 70% of their original price.
The whole thing is just a wage earner for a few thousand people.

It - like so much else - is easy to fix. Just have a maximum salary of 40K. Then maybe they could employ people who really are there to help and not just there to have a career.
By:
jumper3
When: 18 Feb 18 09:48
The whole 'not for profit' sector has grown into a mega multi million industry. A few investigative journalists would unearth some gems I am sure. How did the Oxfam story get into the public sphere. Was it a whistleblower and a journalist?
By:
mokegibboni
When: 22 Feb 18 23:54
Agree with all the reservations on here regarding said charities.

However, there is one that maybe comes close to being 'squeaky clean' (possibly') and that one is the Salvation Army. I've never come across a bad word or a scandal involving them at all, unless someone on here knows otherwise?
By:
saddo
When: 23 Feb 18 08:00
The Salvation Army has revealed it sacked four members of staff in the past year for sexual misconduct in Britain.

The Christian charity was forced to fire three employees for having sexual relations with clients and the forth staff member was let go for using a work computer to access pornography.
By:
Slicer
When: 23 Feb 18 13:37
Study- with hindsight like that, you really should buy lottery tickets!
By:
john92
When: 23 Feb 18 13:57
I remembered this thread. Some really good posts then it descended into the usual 'leftie' stuff and died.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 23 Feb 18 13:59
That because at the end of problematic issues lies a leftist at the helm, with double standards.
By:
john92
When: 23 Feb 18 14:07
Sure.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 23 Feb 18 23:25
Slicer. I don't understand your post.

I.S. course it is. only a "Leftist" could do these things!
ffs.
it never stops.
By:
akabula
When: 23 Feb 18 23:40
I remember reading an article on a charity that was folded because it gave less than 10% to the cause it was there for.
TMM that should be a starting point when issuing charity status. They should have running costs restricted to a reasonable level.
Not sure what that would be but it would certainly curtail wages offered.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 24 Feb 18 08:13
They are almost impossible to check properly. Because everything is given, usually without receipt.
By:
Slicer
When: 24 Feb 18 11:53
I am saying that you foresaw the problems with the charidees. At least that was my loose interpretation.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 24 Feb 18 12:15
Probably mate, yes.
I've been moaning about them for a few years.
Especially when I learned how much of a "career" it can be and that it is now a "sector" in which to make a living.
By:
Slicer
When: 24 Feb 18 12:18
Exactly. Your main points from the op are so relevant today it is amazing. Anyway, good luck.
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