I've decided to withhold my BBC licence fee.

Anyone unfortunate enough to have watched the last few editions of the execrable "Celebrity Mastermind" will have great sympathy with PM's views.

Good call.....

As a licence fee payer, I think that you are still contributing towards Stuart Hall's pension.

Several years ago somebody in the BBC billing department accidentally made a typo whilst updating my account, resulting in a duplicate demand being created.  A threatening letter arrived on my doorstep, same personal details and postcode but with a slight spelling mistake in the the town name, requesting immediate payment of another licence fee.

Despite two or three telephone calls pointing out the error the demands kept coming and, now being fed up with the whole thing, I just ignored them.

do they actually drive around roads with a massive piece of equipment
fitted to the car roof checking for non payers these days?

I've no idea.  I understand, however, if one of their inspectors turns up on your doorstep wanting to check if there's a telly in the house it's perfectly acceptable to send them packing.

no,they just read the forums

I dread to imagine which ones!

You can't not pay - it is against Shari'a law, the boys with beards will be around soon.

Oh God, not Alan Yentob!

If it helps, I think you may well be excused from paying your TV Licence if you are a Pretendy Woman, or have had some sort of desperately unconvincing sex change. 

It's possible you might also qualify for preferential treatment, such as getting invites onto dumbed-down TV game shows and a regular guest spot on 'Newsnight'.

An interesting conflict would ensue if the BBC licence fee was suddenly declared to be haraam.

Newsnight would be faced with a terrible dilemma.

If I am Muslim and offended can I not pay !

Not before time, Pokermonster.  I gave up mine back in May for precisely the same reason.

iPlayer suffices perfectly for anything I wish to watch.  Mind you, word is that will be getting taxes afore long.

Where has this AFTERTHOUGHT come from? I've never noticed him until recently but he seems to start (or appear on) a lot of threads with "Look at me I'm a racist". Now I don't really give a t0ss if someone is racist or not, but he appears to want to shout it from the rooftops, which makes me think that he's a complete fake who thinks he's "bigging" himself up by being slightly outrageous.

I've never opened one of his threads before or even spoke to him (with this username) so I apologise if this is some sort of (tedious) joke. A proper racist though would be far smarter than this though imo.

Can you show us where AFTERTHOUGHT has been racist please?

I AM AFTERTHOUGHT

^ or was it Sparticus?

That's not an afterthought is it trilby?

It is good to see people coming on and debating the issues.

He has plenty of threads on chit-chat which include "muslims, Jihads, and ISIS". As I said I've not read any of them but he seems obsessed by them. His last post on here was talking about if he were an offended Muslim then could he not pay the TV fee.

Dec 26, 2015 -- 7:04PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

That's not an afterthought is it trilby?

Indeed it was, Dr.

I like AT's style, he / she doesn't mince words.

Dec 26, 2015 -- 7:08PM, s.kenbo wrote:

He has plenty of threads on chit-chat which include "muslims, Jihads, and ISIS". As I said I've not read any of them but he seems obsessed by them. His last post on here was talking about if he were an offended Muslim then could he not pay the TV fee.

If AFTERTHOUGHT was an offended Mussie, I'm sure he / she would be out on the streets of Newham today protesting about the Times article I posted earlier about moderate Muslims protesting about their brethren.

^ or lack, thereof.

Afterthought is just trying to break the ice,

ie to be one of the gang ect

That's over my head, Trilby!

By mentioning Newham though does that mean it SF/CMAT? I wondered if it might be him but didn't think it was.

[i]
Afterthought is just trying to break the ice,

ie to be one of the gang ect

Yeah he has to prove himself as a real knob to be accepted by the group

"muslims, Jihads, and ISIS".

None of those are races

I think you know what I mean Doc.

I hate reality tv

BBC sport 2016

NO

open golf
horse racing

@rseholes

Pokermonster, you need a tv license to watch or record any live tv whatever channels or device you watch on. hth

Dec 26, 2015 -- 7:23PM, s.kenbo wrote:

That's over my head, Trilby!By mentioning Newham though does that mean it SF/CMAT? I wondered if it might be him but didn't think it was.

ttt'd for you s.kenbo.

Apols if I misunderstand your misinterpretation.

BBC bending the rules just to keep everyone on the hook to pay,

next it will be you can't use your cooker if you don't have a valid  tv licence

One simple question makes it easy to know if you need a TV Licence:
Am I watching or recording live TV on any device?
Live TV means any programme you watch or record at the same time as it's being shown on TV or an online TV service.
An online TV service is a service that mainly aims to provide TV programmes over the internet, e.g. on a website or through an app or Smart TV.
If you only ever watch on demand programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on live TV.

Can they tell if you are receiving a television signal on your computer?

I've got a Freeview dongle on my PC that picks up its signal from the roof aerial.
I watch the telly at the same time as I'm surfing the internet, all on the same screen.

I shrink the TV window and put it in the top corner.

The Mighty Mac wrote:

Pokermonster, you need a tv license to watch or record any live tv whatever channels or device you watch on. hth

That's not strictly true, sir.  The powers that be might demand folks pay for a television licence, but I am able to watch any channel I like, anywhere in the world, without contributing one red cent to the BBC's pension fund.  One hardly needs to be a technical whizzkid.

If you are outside the UK then fine, but I can assure you it's correct if watching live tv in UK including via computers, apps, phones, etc

Dec 26, 2015 -- 9:03PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

Can they tell if you are receiving a television signal on your computer?I've got a Freeview dongle on my PC that picks up its signal from the roof aerial. I watch the telly at the same time as I'm surfing the internet, all on the same screen.

I have a nice 10" dongle in my pants and ahm away hunting some nice Mussie burs.

So I am

"burds

Say you're watching TV on your computer, how could they prove it without seeing the screen?

Bunz 'n' Burdz
Big titty muzzi

F.a left to watch on there unless your an east enders fan or Tennis fan

HEY, Muzzie smaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall peeeeeeeeeeeenus

Watch yo Mommo jumpin my knob!

Although being very good trilby, that's not quite the answer I was seeking.

well, you could have received feedbackpay from Wallace n Grommit, or summit?

I pay my licence fee

but 4 years ago they had me as a non payer

decided not to respond to letters to see what happeneded

9 months ,10 letters later,a knock on the door

two of them --showed me bbc id

my sky dish in full glare

you know its a criminal offence to watch tv without a licence,do you own a tv?

yes--a 42 inch flatscreen HD

oh you do

we have no record of you as a licence payer

that's funny--my bank statement shows monthly payments/show them

we think there has been a mis-understanding sir

why didn't you respond to letters?

its my firm belief bbc use a scatter gun approach to scare people,BYE

I'd have shut the door in their faces as soon as they announced who they were.

Mac.

One might legally be required (ludicrous) to own a licence, but it's not actually necessary to be able to view anything (even in the United Kingdom).  I know a few folks who have never owned a licence.

Funny you should say that xmoney. Years ago, my brother got fined for not having a license and he didn't even have a tv. They entered the house and saw he had a vhs recorder. He argued that he couldn't use it because he didn't have a telly but lost the case because he owned a receiver, the video recorder.

True pokermonster but legally one needs a license.

Yes, I know, sir, but I have decided to break the law.  It won't be the first time.

dectector van is bullshate

It will be done away with soon if they have any common sense. Hardly anybody even watches bbc or even terrestrial tv anymore.

I only listen to bbc radio 5 live
don't need a licence

open golf,final straw for me

Tweeter Alliss ‏@TweeterAlliss  · 
One wonders how the Beeb will host #SPOTY next year, they show bugger all Sport.The winner will probably be the Bargain Hunt presenter.

Tweeter Alliss ‏@TweeterAlliss  · 
A very Merry Christmas to one and all and remember if you're watching golf during the season, make sure you have a Sky subscription. Lovely.

They entered the house

You mean he let them in?

My advice is to never volunteer information to anybody, and certainly not let them into your house without a court order.

Fack 'em.

imo

never let them in,on doorstep

who let the Drogs out?

WHO

Yadda Yadda Yadda - Rascist

Realist I prefer - its my Allah given right to like or dislike who I choose, not the governments.


Oh and if you want to give up your TV license then just write to them and tell them you are removing their 'implied' right of access.... tell them you do not have a TV and any visits will constitute harrassment - black yerself up to give it more emphasis !

You can let them in if you want but they will then try and get you to sign a piece of paper - dont sign anything, better just shut the door, they dont have any warrants, they are a private corporation.

Theres plenty of vids on youtube on the subject - if the police come witjh the enforcers (they use a private company) tell them they have no need to be there, ask them who they are there representing, remind them they are onlt to keep the peace, ask them outright are they there to protect you not enforce license fees. Als record every conversation and keep asking questions, if the police ask you your name don't answer or else they then have juristiction over you.

Just need to pop off and check all my rascist threads and stick a few more pokers in the fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQBgrUObbHw

One for Kenbo - I'm the one on the piano !

Seems to me if you don't listen to the bbc radio or watch their tv channels it is unfair to force you to pay for it
one of the few things where you have to pay for something you don't use.The licence fee should be scrapped

Mick Sturbs.

Hear, hear, and the sooner the better.

It is a television reception licence. It permits the use of equipment which is designed to work within certain bandwidths. UHF, I seem to remember?

That TV mobile licence detector van was a complete and utter total con! The electrical/electronic engineers that I worked with insisted that they couldn't detect electronically from a van in the street if you (a) possessed a TV, (b)whether it was on or off at the time and (c) what channel you were watching at the time.

The whole thing was a disgrace and was just put in place to frighten the public into thinking that they would be found out and get caught.

The only way they could tell if you had a TV was when they knocked on your door and either saw and/or heard a TV in your house whilst they stood at the front door talking to you!

I wouldn't take the chance these days that they haven't got the equipment to detect a television receiving transmissions in a home.

All they wanted, then and now, is for people to abide by the law and pay for their television reception licence. Without it, you are breaking the law if you watch, or record, 'live' television programmes on any channel, via any source.


I THINK! 

Television screens give out certain emissions when they're on.

Can't these emissions be read from outside with the right equipment?

Well, take it from me - they haven't!

No they don't - TV screens do NOT transmit anything whilst they are on - that is a total myth that they want you to believe in.

The BBC never uses evidence of detection in court as proof of someone receiving without a license.
This apparently is because they would have to declare the technology involved in the detection.
So they need other evidence to prosecute.

If they can't see or hear the set on from outside and you don't let them into your home they're snookered.
Although they might trick their way into your home.

A couple of letters here say you can detect a working television yourself by using a radio:
The first about a dozen letters down and another further on.

http://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-22440,00.html

The TV emits tachion waves of 'Bullshit' which is easily detected.

This comment from that link is the correct one ....

'First of all, line flyback, line sync, sync seperators. These are a part of all CRT circuits (be it T.V. or a p.c. monitor), and cannot be detected accurately, from more than 1ft away from the appliance. All CRT devices and appliances are adequately shielded to prevent the emission of harmfull radiation, and in any case, the EHT and shielding (earthed),would prevent smaller signals from interfering with other equipment thus eliminating any signals that tranverse the air waves before they get a chance to.'

One of our engineers at work knew someone who was a contract engineer who worked for a time for the BBC to fit out some of those so called 'detector vans' and he said that all they did was fill the van with oscilloscopes and the like, but they weren't plugged into anything. The only time that they energised the equipment was when the BBC made an advert showing these vans going around the country 'detecting' active TV's.

Absolute and total bullshit and anyone writing on that forum in that link is either lying or totally ignorant.

I have been in my new flat for nearly two years now and after several letters from them and phone calls from me stating I do not have a tv  , I have received a letter from the licensing today that they will not contact me now by letter for at least two years. Hooray, result.

HOWEVER, they still add that they can visit me to check.

"BBC- and become so absurdly PC"
Couldn't agree more ...hardly ever watch it - be broadcasting in Arabic (for the Muslims) soon ?
BBC - pile of **** !

"HOWEVER, they still add that they can visit me to check"
Two mates of mine ...both quite wealthy (tight buggers) and one a legal expert don't pay ...the legal Eagle says - they have no right of entry into your property so unable to check. Just don't let them in.

Thanks Rockinron, but I really do not have a tv so I have no need to fear them turning up. But that is handy to know if I do get a tv and forget the license!

What woman would choose not to have a TV, dave?  A very strange one I'd say.

The reason the BBC never uses evidence of detection in court is because the tech does not exist and never has. Even if it did say you live in a flat and you had a tv on one side of the wall and your neighbor had theirs on the opposite side of the same wall....how could they possibly know which house or flat, even if the technology existed, which it doesn't.

When they are checking for a tv you will see a number of men, maybe 3 or 4 walking down the same street, often stopping at a number of different addresses. If you are in a flat they call and you can look out and ignore them and then watch as they  walk away and try further down the same street.

They will be smartly dressed, often middle aged or older with the look of ex military.

Without bothering to read the rest of the thread, they spend most of their money on layers of unnecessary management and self-congratulatory promos.  They were good, very good at times.  Now the self-perpetuating, self-serving, liberal-left self-elected elite peddle anything that will keep them in each-others good books and the level of state-funded comfort they have become accustomed to. Most pertinently, they used to have reporters who had had other careers, were worldly-wise and slightly cynical - now they have career-reporters with little outside experience, and who could have been cloned.  The internet/cable/satellite is stripping them bare, entertainment-wise.  What a shame they blew the news impartiality as well.

i hate the squirming lot of them - subscription please.

I've a solution to this licence problem, when they come knocking at your door just eat the telly.
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn1Y7nhB16U

It's a toaster.