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By:
Clouseau
When: 05 Dec 15 21:20
Do you really want me to google the mass shootings in the US over the past 15 years and categorise them by the religion of the perpetrator and then point out the similarities in terms of apparent motivation and access to weapons?

I don't think I am making myself clear here.

This was a mass shooting in the USA.
This one happened to be performed by a Muslim.
He, and his wife, shot workplace colleagues after perceived bullying.
It is one of many, the overwhelming majority perpetrated by white males.
If you really want to put it into the holy war envelope then go ahead but you cheapen the argument by singling this one out and open the door to those claiming rampant Islamophobia.

Sadly there is very likely to be an organised and pre-meditated random attack that we all fear which will involve several gunmen/women working together.
They are the ones that our under-appreciated and probably underfunded security services are trying to quash against the odds and have so far been incredible at.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 05 Dec 15 21:24
Do you really want me to google the mass shootings in the US over the past 15 years and categorise them by the religion of the perpetrator and then point out the similarities in terms of apparent motivation and access to weapons?

Do i really have to repeat that i asked about women?
By:
guinness2dear
When: 05 Dec 15 21:28
And google all ye want. When ye come up with a muslim bonnie and clyde one of which (at least) has sworn allegiance to Daesh, who then proceed together to obliterate 14 people (not her work colleagues) and attempt to murder police officers, then i will read with interest..
By:
guinness2dear
When: 05 Dec 15 21:41
Even The Cuckoo has changed his stance.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/12/05/obama-entirely-possible-san-bernardino-attackers-were-radicalized/
By:
mememe
When: 05 Dec 15 22:12
What's this radicalised bo11ocks ... it's almost like it's an excuse ... it's not really their fault because they were radicalised WTF
Shoot 'em
By:
Clouseau
When: 06 Dec 15 07:34
We now have a "jihadist terrorist" wielding a machete in Leytonstone tube station.

Compare and contrast this with the bloke wielding a machete in Tesco's Mold.

One is a "terrorist" but the other was just a loon.
By:
mecca
When: 06 Dec 15 08:16
One seems to be of foreign origin, and doesn't appear to have integrated very well into our multicultural society.

The other appears to be Welsh, and doesn't appreciate people of foreign origin who go around butchering soldiers in his country.

Maybe they are both 'loons'.
By:
polybot
When: 06 Dec 15 08:21
This was a mass shooting in the USA.
This one happened to be performed by a Muslim.
He, and his wife, shot workplace colleagues after perceived bullying.

the aptly named clouseau is the last man on earth clinging to this, may or may not believe those children in rotherham provoked their rapes by the shortness of their dresses.

It is one of many, the overwhelming majority perpetrated by white males.
the mass of shooting crime is, per capita, carried out by blacks and hispanics, though the point partly stands. the overwhelming majority overall is perpetrated by the left (who also the support gun free zones where the shootings occur).

If you really want to put it into the holy war envelope then go ahead but you cheapen the argument by singling this one out and open the door to those claiming rampant Islamophobia.
no need, falls comfortably into the left category.

Sadly there is very likely to be an organised and pre-meditated random attack that we all fear which will involve several gunmen/women working together.
very likely, organised, pre-meditated, several gunmen working together, and yet random.

They are the ones that our under-appreciated and probably underfunded security services are trying to quash against the odds and have so far been incredible at.
to summarise: more secret police with more islamic anti-blasphemy laws, or in the words of obama, "the future does not belong to those who offend the prophet"
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 06 Dec 15 08:24
Clouseau hatred of white males is shared by the Mayor of Dallas and most liberals.

His blaming of white males is also wrong as some of the shooters have been Hispanic and Jamaican.
One of the more recent ones being a mixed race Brit.

The rush to absolve Islam of any blame for the San Bernadino shootings is the Lefts inexplicable soft spot for the religion of peace.
By:
Clouseau
When: 06 Dec 15 08:48
the aptly named polybot (even named himself after a parrot's arse) seeks to glorify and give an albeit warped justification to a sickening act of violence by claiming it was done "for the cause".

Remember where we used to hear that phrase? When they used to pass the cap around the pub in Kilburn or a bar in Boston.

You elevate the perpetrators to martyrdom status and then sit back and watch the fireworks.
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 06 Dec 15 09:03
That's some misrepresentation of Polybots post.

Tis you as the sneaky regard for the religion of peace,ti you that's trying to shift the blame onto white males.

The only white males involved in terrorism recently were the Tsarneav brothers,the Boston marathon bombers.

They all have the same things in common,immigrants and religion of peace supporters.
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Dec 15 09:04
Poly, Rotherham again you snake.
You were jilted by one of those local scrubbers weren't you?
By:
polybot
When: 06 Dec 15 10:02
dusty, my level of gorgeousness is officially rated VVS1 unjiltable Wink
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 06 Dec 15 10:47
Your level of twattishness is officially unparalleled too.
By:
polybot
When: 06 Dec 15 11:42
oh i see what you did there mik, not sure of the technical term is but often referred to as aping (as in ape) or parroting, which is unfair as it's a human level device (usually restricted to below 10 years old but human nonetheless).

understandable, and i wouldn't want to criticise you for it, must be a difficult time for you, what with every world leader s****ing at your hope and change messiah, uncalled for innit, i think he's trying quite hard, even gave up a golf game and went to work instead the other day. is there a nobel prize for "awsome-est us president 2015"? there should be Love
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 06 Dec 15 12:01
You'd know all about parroting, Polly.

I don't think awsomest should be hyphenated btw. Cheapens the award.
By:
twonky
When: 06 Dec 15 12:47
2 things make me doubt the story.

1/ when have the media ever been allowed to invade a crime scene hours after the incident has taken place.

2/ footage showed 4 armed officers/swat pumping bullets into the suv. Each taking turn to fire then retreating behind a wall. All in full view of the cameraman who was positioned behind them, and never once moved. The point to that is, when a media outlet films something, their logo is usually visible at the top of the screen. Ie fox, sky etc. this footage had no logo.... So the question is, who did the filming? CIA?

Frankly it's a load of ballacks, that was perpetuated to persuade Americans to give up their guns, which Obama has been pushing for, for a few years now.
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Dec 15 13:06
No footage has the logo on the live feed till its been uplinked to Hq I dont think
By:
Sica Dan
When: 06 Dec 15 13:35
Obama will have to prise the guns from their cold dead hands.
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Dec 15 13:45
That rootin tootin west is wild indeed
By:
Make my hay
When: 06 Dec 15 15:23
3 things make me think this  story is a crock of sh1t.

1/ When fake events like this happen there is  always a security drill a few days earlier or happen to be at the same time as the supposed event, this one was no exception.
The Inland regional center in California is same location where in days past active shooter drills had taken place, also nearby drills were taking place at the same time  as the shooting.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrA9KYuE8y4

2/ Always just  after the a staged shooting like this one, usually just one day after family members of the dead will do interviews with the mainstream media (Fox news,  CNN etc.), smiling never crying and not looking that bothered, I think if a member of my family had just been murdered I'd be too devastated to do  an interview, be  the last thing I'd want to do.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUcLjr_oDB4

3/ Alleged shooters in the San Bernardino mass shooting are referred to as actors.
MSNBC on its live coverage of the San Bernardino, California Shooting Hoax slipped up calling the Shooters ACTORS.
You may say this is just a simple slip up but it was made 2 hours apart by 2 different people. The 1st person said it 3 times.


.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoLET1g-1Zk

It's obvious it was a staged.  Obama has promised that gun control is the number 1 issue of his final year in the presidency.
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 06 Dec 15 15:29
Makes you wonder why they keep doing these security drills when the interwebbers are on to them. As to your second point, I think it's just a sign of how standards have slipped in Hollywood. They should use her off Eastenders who used to play Frank Butcher's daughter. She was good at crying. As for the MSNBC c0ck-up, words fail me. Amateurs.
By:
Injera
When: 06 Dec 15 15:47
The interview with the whole family and family friend is truly bizarre.

Hardly any emotion at all!
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 06 Dec 15 15:58
They looked even excited to be on tv
By:
Injera
When: 06 Dec 15 16:58
Indeed.

Can't believe the whole thing was a set up though. Certainly not by the govt.

The more attacks there are the more people will want arms to defend themselves against these nutters.
By:
Just Checking
When: 06 Dec 15 17:07
If I lived in the US, I'd have a gun if I could (laws vary by state).
But I'm very happy to not have one here, and think we have the better laws.
By:
Just Checking
When: 06 Dec 15 19:27
Actually can I rephrase that, having read more posts ...
Conspiracy theorists, seek help. You are so pathetic I personally don't care, but presumably someone does.
You aren't "more clever" than us or somehow "see a truth only you can see", you just have mental problems.
By:
Make my hay
When: 06 Dec 15 19:45
If I lived in the US, I'd have a gun if I could (laws vary by state).

May be to late JC, as Obama set to announce gun restrictions during an Oval Office “urgent” address to the nation on terrorism later tonight.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 06 Dec 15 21:07
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-terror-probe-widens-as-obama-set-to-speak-20151206-story.html
By:
brendanuk1
When: 06 Dec 15 21:45
Actors:
a participant in an action or process.
"employers are key actors within industrial relations"
By:
polybot
When: 06 Dec 15 22:51
Conspiracy theorists, seek help. You are so pathetic I personally don't care, but presumably someone does.
You aren't "more clever" than us or somehow "see a truth only you can see", you just have mental problems.


well said, but to clarify, the terrorist attack was indeed probably a conspiracy, but one carried out by devout muslims
By:
guinness2dear
When: 06 Dec 15 23:00
For anyone that wants a good laff, POTUS Cuckoo is on CNN @ 12:00..
By:
Make my hay
When: 06 Dec 15 23:18
Yes  some say Obama is a devout muslim.
By:
Clouseau
When: 06 Dec 15 23:20
btw polybotty, as you attempted to word-smith me about highly organised "random" attacks, I think you might find that the perpetrators of the Paris attacks were organised in terms of weaponry, transport and timing but they chose many of their targets at random as I am sure that they didn't have a specific beef about Cambodian restaurants or check the concert listings for the Bataclan to see if they had a heavy metal gig on that night... they just saw the chance to cause devastation and took it. It could have been anywhere, i.e. it was random but organised.

btw the conspiracy nuts should feck off to the Betfair Advanced Applied Maths and Physics forum further down the list. Why they come on here and spout their sh1te is beyond me as it's obvious we aren't intelligent enough to follow the obscure theories.Plain
By:
guinness2dear
When: 07 Dec 15 01:07
Fark me he's mentioned radicalization and Fort Hood..
By:
guinness2dear
When: 07 Dec 15 01:12
Never mind guns what about bombs ye raving fookwit...
By:
mecca
When: 07 Dec 15 01:13
Notice the ''one of us'' gesture when he said Muslim.

Slipped up there, Barack
By:
guinness2dear
When: 07 Dec 15 01:17
"Our strategy is we are going to review our strategy"...
By:
guinness2dear
When: 07 Dec 15 01:19
That's 15 mins of my life i won't get back.

What a pointless exercise..
By:
mecca
When: 07 Dec 15 01:19
First step towards gun control..... that's all that that speech was about
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