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Let's hope Laura Kuenssberg is wearing her infamous blue dress..
This will turn into "The are you going to apologise debate" if DC doesn't do it.
He's got about 20 mins to ride it out, he's thinking.
He said "Either vote is an honourable vote" , may be enough.
Labour could be childish and say "Stuff ye Camerloon"
BBC not using Daesh as it would be non-neutral to do so, not good.
It could go haywire if they pull up the Beeb on everything they should do..
He's definitely been reading Chit Chat though..
I posted a link on the Islamphobia thread about the increase in attacks in Scotland.It included a cuddly female muslim from a goverment funded mouth piece.She felt "attacked" because people did not smile at her when she walked down the street.Sure beats having your head blown off while in a coffee shop.
Hilary Benn throwing absolute assegais into Jezza's back..
Has Corbyn instructed his female MPS to sit separately from the men yet, as part of Labour's continuing bow to Islam?
She was pretty good, although not sure i share her conviction that 2249 and france asking is the time to act.
Corbyn was absolutely rubbish, seemed like he missed a huge opportunity to point out some of camerons flawed arguments
Corbyn was absolutely rubbish, seemed like he missed a huge opportunity to point out some of camerons flawed arguments
you,ve got to love sky been telling us all week 58% of the public back strikes ,there now saying forget what the polls say [less than 50% now agree with bombing ]the public are still behind the bombings
Angus Robertson sounds more like the Leader of the Opposition than Corbyn.
The question is whose judgement do we trust? The Prime Minister or somebody who had a fling withe Diane Abbott!
The question is whose judgement do we trust? The Prime Minister or somebody who had a fling withe Diane Abbott!
why dont these mp,s tell the truth and then let the people decide only one question to answer for me,
the government ,security forces keep telling us theres over 750 people of interest to them in the uk,when the 1st bomb is dropped will these 750 plus be less or more radicalised , the explain how we will be more or less safe at home,answer to both questions seems obvious to me ,probably why they arnt asking it
the government ,security forces keep telling us theres over 750 people of interest to them in the uk,when the 1st bomb is dropped will these 750 plus be less or more radicalised , the explain how we will be more or less safe at home,answer to both questions seems obvious to me ,probably why they arnt asking it
"There's no doubt the nerve centre (of ISIS) is in Raqqa" according to Alan Johnson
is this from the same intelligent sources that said there were WMD's in Iraq
is this from the same intelligent sources that said there were WMD's in Iraq
he thinks the rock band in paris were english,
cheap shot at corbyn there from johnson, the same johnson that resigned as chancellor when he remembered he couldnt count and then wouldnt run as leader,another wanting power without responsibility
Paris was attacked by french and belgians, Just like 911 was saudis, never let an atrocity go to waste to bomb another country
prawn sandwich brigade gone to lunch supposedly most important debate of this parliament and the tory benches are less than half full,bottle of subsitised claret far more important than a debate about war
just seen the bloke on tv who,s at the heart of this debate without him we,d have probably been in syria 2 years ago,will milliband speak does anyone no which way he,s thinking
Derek twigg - thats who i agree with so far.
Proper UN resolution for boots on the ground with muslim countries armies leading the way.
Proper UN resolution for boots on the ground with muslim countries armies leading the way.
Wasnt specific. Cant remember exact quote, along the lines of '100,000 plus forces on the ground' 'comprehensive UN resolution' 'Including heavy backing from muslim countries'.
just walked in, put the tv on and saw David Davis talking.
He's got it right - rather than make symbolic gestures get the arse hole Turks and Saudis (allegedly our allies) to stop aiding and abetting
IS
He's got it right - rather than make symbolic gestures get the arse hole Turks and Saudis (allegedly our allies) to stop aiding and abetting
IS
and also I think that some of these 24 news channels could do worse than 'go live' to 'in running offician' chit chat threads.
Such threads after all, cover most of the serious issues confronting the world today.
Such threads after all, cover most of the serious issues confronting the world today.
is holding the debate only after knowing your going to win the vote ,the kind of democracy, we,re hoping to transport to syria, think theyve already got it but have the sense to cut out the 12 hrs of pontificating and spouting garbage
margret beckett and co now using the argument that how would we feel if the french asked us for specific help and we didnt get it,
well if you believe a word cameron and co say the french have only asked us because our brimstone weapons are better than theirs so why would we ask them for help if their weaponary isnt any use,its just excuse after excuse or reason after reason depending on your position , no one in their right mind would be persuaded by these tit for tat arguments
well if you believe a word cameron and co say the french have only asked us because our brimstone weapons are better than theirs so why would we ask them for help if their weaponary isnt any use,its just excuse after excuse or reason after reason depending on your position , no one in their right mind would be persuaded by these tit for tat arguments
I want to know what happens when Putin drops bombs on Iraq without asking first
just when you think you,ve heard from the biggest loons in westminster, another absolute loon appears from the midst
this christin blunt fella 2 weeks ago trawled every tv studio saying there was no case for the uk to get involved in syria bombings,cameron pulls him to onside and feeds him the fantasy story about 70,000 fighters and he does a 360 degree u turn,now gets ravaged on a daily basis by fellow mp,,s pundits,media etc for been taking in by this gash
this christin blunt fella 2 weeks ago trawled every tv studio saying there was no case for the uk to get involved in syria bombings,cameron pulls him to onside and feeds him the fantasy story about 70,000 fighters and he does a 360 degree u turn,now gets ravaged on a daily basis by fellow mp,,s pundits,media etc for been taking in by this gash
fck me those clowns on the news want boots on the ground and one of them lost his son in a previous war
a tory on this afternoon was already planning another assault on lybia for when they flee there
a tory on this afternoon was already planning another assault on lybia for when they flee there
Sorry to upset mr Kamaroon but they have moved to lybia.
just saying
as a card carrying terrorist sympathiser and islamaphobe
just saying
as a card carrying terrorist sympathiser and islamaphobe
Dec 2, 2015 -- 9:40PM, The Leopard wrote:
Hilary Benn giving a blinder now !Pro-bombing.
Probably the best speech I've heard in many years.
Hilary benn.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uTWiuNdiIg
sick of hearing about this benn speech forget about his dad turning in his grave at it,but the media and tory mp,s will have us believe it sent more labour mp,s through the yes lobby,shadow home secretary andy burnham who alegedly tore into corbyn at the shadow cabinet meeting and was sat 1 seat away from benn was clapping and cheering like a seal then walked through the NO lobby and couldnt wait to get his mug on tv telling us why,gawd no,s what burnham would have done if benns speech had been shoite,you only have to look at the 360 degree u turn by christan chunt after camerons laughable remarks about 70,000 troops to no these mp,s stand for absolutely nothing and represent no one but themselves and their ego,s,
sick of hearing about this benn speech forget about his dad turning in his grave at it,but the media and tory mp,s will have us believe it sent more labour mp,s through the yes lobby,shadow home secretary andy burnham who alegedly tore into corbyn at the shadow cabinet meeting and was sat 1 seat away from benn was clapping and cheering like a seal then walked through the NO lobby and couldnt wait to get his mug on tv telling us why,gawd no,s what burnham would have done if benns speech had been shoite,you only have to look at the 360 degree u turn by christan chunt after camerons laughable remarks about 70,000 troops to no these mp,s stand for absolutely nothing and represent no one but themselves and their ego,s,
sick of hearing about this benn speech forget about his dad turning in his grave at it,but the media and tory mp,s will have us believe it sent more labour mp,s through the yes lobby,shadow home secretary andy burnham who alegedly tore into corbyn at the shadow cabinet meeting and was sat 1 seat away from benn was clapping and cheering like a seal then walked through the NO lobby and couldnt wait to get his mug on tv telling us why,gawd no,s what burnham would have done if benns speech had been shoite,you only have to look at the 360 degree u turn by christan chunt after camerons laughable remarks about 70,000 troops to no these mp,s stand for absolutely nothing and represent no one but themselves and their ego,s,
sick of hearing about this benn speech forget about his dad turning in his grave at it,but the media and tory mp,s will have us believe it sent more labour mp,s through the yes lobby,shadow home secretary andy burnham who alegedly tore into corbyn at the shadow cabinet meeting and was sat 1 seat away from benn was clapping and cheering like a seal then walked through the NO lobby and couldnt wait to get his mug on tv telling us why,gawd no,s what burnham would have done if benns speech had been shoite,you only have to look at the 360 degree u turn by christan chunt after camerons laughable remarks about 70,000 troops to no these mp,s stand for absolutely nothing and represent no one but themselves and their ego,s,
sick of hearing about this benn speech forget about his dad turning in his grave at it,but the media and tory mp,s will have us believe it sent more labour mp,s through the yes lobby,shadow home secretary andy burnham who alegedly tore into corbyn at the shadow cabinet meeting and was sat 1 seat away from benn was clapping and cheering like a seal then walked through the NO lobby and couldnt wait to get his mug on tv telling us why,gawd no,s what burnham would have done if benns speech had been shoite,you only have to look at the 360 degree u turn by christan chunt after camerons laughable remarks about 70,000 troops to no these mp,s stand for absolutely nothing and represent no one but themselves and their ego,s,
sick of hearing about this benn speech forget about his dad turning in his grave at it,but the media and tory mp,s will have us believe it sent more labour mp,s through the yes lobby,shadow home secretary andy burnham who alegedly tore into corbyn at the shadow cabinet meeting and was sat 1 seat away from benn was clapping and cheering like a seal then walked through the NO lobby and couldnt wait to get his mug on tv telling us why,gawd no,s what burnham would have done if benns speech had been shoite,you only have to look at the 360 degree u turn by christan chunt after camerons laughable remarks about 70,000 troops to no these mp,s stand for absolutely nothing and represent no one but themselves and their ego,s,
sick of hearing about this benn speech forget about his dad turning in his grave at it,but the media and tory mp,s will have us believe it sent more labour mp,s through the yes lobby,shadow home secretary andy burnham who alegedly tore into corbyn at the shadow cabinet meeting and was sat 1 seat away from benn was clapping and cheering like a seal then walked through the NO lobby and couldnt wait to get his mug on tv telling us why,gawd no,s what burnham would have done if benns speech had been shoite,you only have to look at the 360 degree u turn by christan chunt after camerons laughable remarks about 70,000 troops to no these mp,s stand for absolutely nothing and represent no one but themselves and their ego,s,
sick of hearing about this benn speech forget about his dad turning in his grave at it,but the media and tory mp,s will have us believe it sent more labour mp,s through the yes lobby,shadow home secretary andy burnham who alegedly tore into corbyn at the shadow cabinet meeting and was sat 1 seat away from benn was clapping and cheering like a seal then walked through the NO lobby and couldnt wait to get his mug on tv telling us why,gawd no,s what burnham would have done if benns speech had been shoite,you only have to look at the 360 degree u turn by christan chunt after camerons laughable remarks about 70,000 troops to no these mp,s stand for absolutely nothing and represent no one but themselves and their ego,s,
sick of hearing about this benn speech forget about his dad turning in his grave at it,but the media and tory mp,s will have us believe it sent more labour mp,s through the yes lobby,shadow home secretary andy burnham who alegedly tore into corbyn at the shadow cabinet meeting and was sat 1 seat away from benn was clapping and cheering like a seal then walked through the NO lobby and couldnt wait to get his mug on tv telling us why,gawd no,s what burnham would have done if benns speech had been shoite,you only have to look at the 360 degree u turn by christan chunt after camerons laughable remarks about 70,000 troops to no these mp,s stand for absolutely nothing and represent no one but themselves and their ego,s,
saying a no voting labour mp is a 'warmonger' and has 'blood on their hands' is now bullying, rather than statement of fact, thanks BBC
You have to calm yourself down, Mr "1st time poster"......calm down !
PS You are wrong !
PS You are wrong !
Benn - a name associated with warmongering - I cannot believe it. Sky are in orgasm mode over the speech.
Can I inform you all that bombing is the precursor to combined arms assault. You disrupt and keep their heads down with bombardment - while their ears are still ringing (if they have any ears left) you go in with the infantry. Failure to do this results in stalemate. This addition to the so called allies assault on daesh will not make any difference. We are more in danger from inside the uk or from european terrorists. We have our own 450 returnees (trained and ideologically on side) and an organised group currently touring the country whipping up support for the caliphate. We need to look over our shoulder here rather than bombing the desert 1000s of miles away. Meanwhile - what have daesh done - moved their headquarters to lybia.
There will be fun at re-selection time in the Labour constituency parties.
FROM YOUR ISLAMAPHOBE(courtesy ebulgerry)& TERRORIST SYMPATHISER (kamaroon) In un-bombed west london.
Can I inform you all that bombing is the precursor to combined arms assault. You disrupt and keep their heads down with bombardment - while their ears are still ringing (if they have any ears left) you go in with the infantry. Failure to do this results in stalemate. This addition to the so called allies assault on daesh will not make any difference. We are more in danger from inside the uk or from european terrorists. We have our own 450 returnees (trained and ideologically on side) and an organised group currently touring the country whipping up support for the caliphate. We need to look over our shoulder here rather than bombing the desert 1000s of miles away. Meanwhile - what have daesh done - moved their headquarters to lybia.
There will be fun at re-selection time in the Labour constituency parties.
FROM YOUR ISLAMAPHOBE(courtesy ebulgerry)& TERRORIST SYMPATHISER (kamaroon) In un-bombed west london.
Mobo : very similar to your post on other thread, why didn't you c&p it?
As an islamaphobe (courtesy of ebulgerry) and a terrorist sympathiser (kamaroon) I think Benn's speech was horrific. A Benn who is a warmonger - amazing stuff.
Don't they realise bombing is for softening up and while their heads are down you go in with the troops to finish them off? So what I am saying is it won't achieve what, these mainly ignorant, politicians think it will.
They will dig in and crawl out of the rubble and carry on - but ask this - what will happen to the rest of the population, infrastructure, water etc ?? I know about these things and it will be horrific if they actually bomb raqqa (if they do). Look at the state of the yemen.
There is more danger to us in our own country with 450 returnees walking the straights (trained ideologically and militarily)and there is an organisation promoting the caliphate currently doing a tour!!! I think we need to look over our shoulders than look at syria. The russians yanks and french can get on with it.
As an islamaphobe (courtesy of ebulgerry) and a terrorist sympathiser (kamaroon) I think Benn's speech was horrific. A Benn who is a warmonger - amazing stuff.
Don't they realise bombing is for softening up and while their heads are down you go in with the troops to finish them off? So what I am saying is it won't achieve what, these mainly ignorant, politicians think it will.
They will dig in and crawl out of the rubble and carry on - but ask this - what will happen to the rest of the population, infrastructure, water etc ?? I know about these things and it will be horrific if they actually bomb raqqa (if they do). Look at the state of the yemen.
There is more danger to us in our own country with 450 returnees walking the straights (trained ideologically and militarily)and there is an organisation promoting the caliphate currently doing a tour!!! I think we need to look over our shoulders than look at syria. The russians yanks and french can get on with it.
probably so furious about these warmongering kants I forgot!! ha ha - doesn't anyone know how one carries out these missions - the tactics and strategies
some of the ginks are ex serving members of the arms forces and have forgotten you can do little with bombs and its the foot sloggers who clear them out
it is all rather pathetic and the media have gone gung ho - it is really pathetic.
If they really are going to bomb raqqa IF - then they are going to kill thousands of innocents unless daesh release them from the hold they have over them.
some of the ginks are ex serving members of the arms forces and have forgotten you can do little with bombs and its the foot sloggers who clear them out
it is all rather pathetic and the media have gone gung ho - it is really pathetic.
If they really are going to bomb raqqa IF - then they are going to kill thousands of innocents unless daesh release them from the hold they have over them.
I must have been reading the guardian too much and gone soft haha
We are not going to bomb residential parts of the city, we are going to attack their military centres and the oil selling supply lines.
The bombing campaign is akin to trying to repair a watch with a crane, knowledge, precision, and use of appropriate tools (ground troops) is the only way this gets done, and then it's on to libya, and so on etc, etc, all this to try and clear up the dreadful mess that has been created in the protectionism 'Petrodollar' wars.
Home grown Jihadists are as big a threat, (if not more so) as any foreign army.
Home grown Jihadists are as big a threat, (if not more so) as any foreign army.
BTW, agree or not, Benns speech was masterful, while Corbyn looked like an also ran in the proceedings. Is this really going to be the quality of opposition for the next few years!.
In that case (if we can believe that) then it won't change much at all. Anyway they have moved HQ to lybia.
we should have no problem sorting the yanks when the time comes,theyve been bombing that oilfield along with the russians and saudi,s for 15 months ,yet according to sky and co we did more damage and were tucked up in bed 3 hrs later,when this is all over the yanks and ruskies will no better than to mess with us, LOL
have the yanks and coalition decided yet if that shooting in the us was the work of highly trained,highly skilled terrorists trained in syria,planned in raqqa blah blah,or 2 oddballs picking up 2 automatic guns out of the garage,
the deciding factor in in boxing these matters off to one side or the other [ all though the tactics and results are the same ]are if the gunmen shout ali akaber or something,isil have praised them anyway
have the yanks and coalition decided yet if that shooting in the us was the work of highly trained,highly skilled terrorists trained in syria,planned in raqqa blah blah,or 2 oddballs picking up 2 automatic guns out of the garage,
the deciding factor in in boxing these matters off to one side or the other [ all though the tactics and results are the same ]are if the gunmen shout ali akaber or something,isil have praised them anyway
speeches are like budgets ,in 6 months time corbyn could like churchill and benn could look exactly the same as he did after iraq,afghanistan and lybia, ie an incompetent fool
but they appear to know nothing about military strategy??
we have also been lead by the nose over the whole thing since the invasion of iraq
mainly lies
we have also been lead by the nose over the whole thing since the invasion of iraq
mainly lies
I would say Hilary Benn has a much better grasp of the facts than you 1st TP.
What is the political strategy??? Once they have wiped out daesh (which isnt going to happen) then who are they going to turn on
Assad??? ffs?? imagine!!??
Assad??? ffs?? imagine!!??
mobo, good question, I fear this will run and run. This is such a multi faceted problem, reported by self (or government) serving media organizations, which news channel do you trust!!. Who on this forum can claim to know the half of what the USA, Russia, Saudi Arabia (our friend) Iran, Israel, Qatar, etc, et bl00dy cetra. are doing behind the scenes.
I am no more qualified than most on here, so I will leave it to others to debate, (Oxford Union style??? or reverse?) squabble, or simply vent their own disappointments by projecting them onto others.
The most immediate problem is among us in our towns and cities.
I'm done
I am no more qualified than most on here, so I will leave it to others to debate, (Oxford Union style??? or reverse?) squabble, or simply vent their own disappointments by projecting them onto others.
The most immediate problem is among us in our towns and cities.
I'm done
usa have armed daesh and other groups you couldnt make it up and now look at them - talk about the worm has turned
and sky were bleating on about the moderate groups against assad MODERATES !!?? they are all terrorist - you can see how skewed this all gets when a national news programme calls them moderate - they are all evil killers.
on a bad day I think let them all kill one another - the west should pull out
but that is just giving up isn't it
and sky were bleating on about the moderate groups against assad MODERATES !!?? they are all terrorist - you can see how skewed this all gets when a national news programme calls them moderate - they are all evil killers.
on a bad day I think let them all kill one another - the west should pull out
but that is just giving up isn't it
the leopard
they said the same about fergie when i said bebe was shoite
biggest mistake in life thinking someone no,s more about something than you just because there class,upbringing etc has given them a platform,did you say the same about benn when he voted for the iraq war when over a million people were voting against it on the strets outside, 660 mp,s were saying exactly the same thing[i think they no more than us ]as the bankers took this country to the edge of ruin etc ,etc,
robin cook probably thought he knew more than most of us when he said before afghanistan no british blood will be lost in this conflict,
use your eyes,ears and brain and think for yourself leopard if you think anyone of them 660 mp,s has your interests at heart i suggest you think again,question anything and everything your told,
they said the same about fergie when i said bebe was shoite
biggest mistake in life thinking someone no,s more about something than you just because there class,upbringing etc has given them a platform,did you say the same about benn when he voted for the iraq war when over a million people were voting against it on the strets outside, 660 mp,s were saying exactly the same thing[i think they no more than us ]as the bankers took this country to the edge of ruin etc ,etc,
robin cook probably thought he knew more than most of us when he said before afghanistan no british blood will be lost in this conflict,
use your eyes,ears and brain and think for yourself leopard if you think anyone of them 660 mp,s has your interests at heart i suggest you think again,question anything and everything your told,
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