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25 Oct 15
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I tried for two years to lose the weigh by running. five miles a day. did lose some weight but piled it back on. tried counting calories limiting myself to 1200 a day. slog.
Muscle Builders know to avoid sugar and carbs - but they eat masses of protein which can give you kidney stones.
But they are right - avoid sugars and carbohydrates(pasta,rice,breads,cakes etc)
INSULIN keeps you fat. when you eat any (any) sugars your body will not burn fat. the body burns sugars first. that's why energy drinks are loaded with sugar.
So to lose weight - eat veggies, seeds, fish(low fat protein, small portion) anything without a whisper of sugar.
no fruit.
Muscle Builders know to avoid sugar and carbs - but they eat masses of protein which can give you kidney stones.
But they are right - avoid sugars and carbohydrates(pasta,rice,breads,cakes etc)
INSULIN keeps you fat. when you eat any (any) sugars your body will not burn fat. the body burns sugars first. that's why energy drinks are loaded with sugar.
So to lose weight - eat veggies, seeds, fish(low fat protein, small portion) anything without a whisper of sugar.
no fruit.
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I think that's only partially correct zorro. Athletes, which in essence is what you became, need carboydrates as their primary source of food. They are an essential tool for endurance based activity and thus training at the required level for the time you need. If you want to be a lean athlete then you need complex carbohydrates which are released slowly into the blood stream and thus avoid the spikes which more simple carbohydrates like sugar produce.
wrong - carbs quickly turn into sugars. Sure if you are lean and fit - eat carbs. But if you are not running like a maddie - avoid them. Bulk up on lettuce and fish. Snack on nuts, humous and celery/peanut butter.
i love lasagne but it'll keep you fat.
i love lasagne but it'll keep you fat.
Exercise for longer. Fat yields more energy than carbohydrates but it takes much longer to break down. The longer you exercise the higher the amount of fat you burn to carbohydrate. You just need to nip out for a 5 hour run instead of a 5 mile run.
By the way why are you comparing this to muscle builders. You are specifically looking to lose weight but muscle builders are always looking to gain weight.
By the way why are you comparing this to muscle builders. You are specifically looking to lose weight but muscle builders are always looking to gain weight.
I've been a vegetarian from the age of sixteen (and a vegan since July). In my twenties and thirties I exercised two and a half hours a day, six days a week, eating huge amounts of fruit, vegetables, nuts and cereals and weighed just under nineteen stones. It was definitely an addiction and now, aged forty-six and fourteen stones, I'm suffering for it in several ways.
Low carb, low sugar diet will reduce your weight, no question, but you'll still have your beer gut. You need hard cardio exercise to shift that.
I suggest some of you look into this in a little more detail because there are some staggering things being written.
Anything specific, EO? I used to enjoy disproving the myth about vegetarians being thin and pasty, but all the weightlifting in my youth really is costing me now.
Getting on for 2 years now on a ketogenic diet - high fat, moderate protein and low (20 grams) carbs per day. I'm 6ft, 32" waist with a BMI of 20. I'm the leanest I've ever been in my life. Ketones provide all the energy I need all day, never get hungry, couldn't be happier. I do 10 mins exercise a day, cycle just 15 miles a week.
Athletes don't need carbs for endurance. When you are a fat burner your whole body is the source of fuel. Timothy Olson won the 100 mile Western States race in 2012 (and 13) in a record 14 hours 46 minutes, stripping 20 minutes off the previous record - on a high fat diet.
EO, have you ever tried reading any low carb stuff for athletes, for instance - Jeff Volek and Stephen Phinney, The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance.
Athletes don't need carbs for endurance. When you are a fat burner your whole body is the source of fuel. Timothy Olson won the 100 mile Western States race in 2012 (and 13) in a record 14 hours 46 minutes, stripping 20 minutes off the previous record - on a high fat diet.
EO, have you ever tried reading any low carb stuff for athletes, for instance - Jeff Volek and Stephen Phinney, The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance.
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Yes sort of, although I've not read either the old or new. I think the original Atkins took no account of how much protein you should eat. It's now known that eating it in excess can cause that excess to be turned to glucose (or maybe it was then anyway?), which you don't want when you are trying to adapt to using keytones. The author of New Atkins, Eric Westman, has plenty of talks on youtube about the keto diet and I believe he worked for Atkins in the 1990s when he started using this diet for his patients.
Listen guys. Nobody likes getting taking for a sucker but my advice to anybody sensible who wants it for free is be careful about taking that advice from someone with something to sell. There are myriad versions of myriad "diets" which will promise you the world and they are all pretty much nonsense. This is a simple business.
If you aren't an athlete then eat a sensible balanced diet. When it comes to food avoid ready meals, too much salt and sugar and, generally speaking, over the longer term as long as you take in less calories than you burn up then you will lose weight unless you have a metabolic disorder.
If you're an athlete then do as I say. Eat a balanced diet including protein and fat but with more complex carbs and it will allow you to work to a sufficient standard for long enough to make your training regime more efficient.
The one and only thing which has actually been proven about people on high fat low carb diets is they become more efficient at burning fats for fuels but seeing as burning fat for fuel is a less efficient mechanism for your body to produce energy than doing so using carbs that isn't that big a recommendation.
Now Flower cites both Volkey (selling a book surprise surprise) and the ultra distance athlete who supposedly did extremely well on a high fat and low carb diet. The fact about this though is that it is untrue. By all means put up his in race dietary fuel intake.
Exist on whatever diet you want. You just won't be any better an athlete for not having a balanced diet and you'll become more miserable as time goes on.
But of course avoid simple sugars which do contribute to the inflammatory process which is bad for athletes and emerging research suggests that diet drinks affect brain chemistry tricking your brain into thinking you are hungry. One to keep an eye on there. Water can't be beat.
If you aren't an athlete then eat a sensible balanced diet. When it comes to food avoid ready meals, too much salt and sugar and, generally speaking, over the longer term as long as you take in less calories than you burn up then you will lose weight unless you have a metabolic disorder.
If you're an athlete then do as I say. Eat a balanced diet including protein and fat but with more complex carbs and it will allow you to work to a sufficient standard for long enough to make your training regime more efficient.
The one and only thing which has actually been proven about people on high fat low carb diets is they become more efficient at burning fats for fuels but seeing as burning fat for fuel is a less efficient mechanism for your body to produce energy than doing so using carbs that isn't that big a recommendation.
Now Flower cites both Volkey (selling a book surprise surprise) and the ultra distance athlete who supposedly did extremely well on a high fat and low carb diet. The fact about this though is that it is untrue. By all means put up his in race dietary fuel intake.
Exist on whatever diet you want. You just won't be any better an athlete for not having a balanced diet and you'll become more miserable as time goes on.
But of course avoid simple sugars which do contribute to the inflammatory process which is bad for athletes and emerging research suggests that diet drinks affect brain chemistry tricking your brain into thinking you are hungry. One to keep an eye on there. Water can't be beat.
It seems we agree to disagree. I disagree with your view that people can thrive on zero carbs. It's an impossibility.
I can’t tell you what Olson took during the race I mentioned. But in other races he’s talked about using carbohydrates and other things. So what? I never said he didn’t eat carbs ever, all he’s doing is using them for quick energy the way the other athletes are. That doesn’t change the fact he is a low-carb athlete. Switch it around and claim that you are a high-carb runner and in a race you use some fat, does that make you a high fat athlete? No it just means you’re using something to give you a little extra in the race, like probably all the others are. He’s arrived at that fat-burning state by adopting a low carb diet – that’s his ‘natural’ state. And in those kinds of races - could the carb burner do well without taking regular carbs?
And to the amino acid supplement Vespa Power, I could not have run the race I did with out this product. It helps tremendously with recovery and my mental focus through out the race. Also allowing me to use fat as my fuel, so I’m not destroying my stomach with excess sugary concoctions.
A direct quote from the man himself from a different race. It is unambiguous that he is (or was, he may have changed) a runner who has adapted to burning fat as fuel. What he does during a race doesn’t make that a lie. If I can I’ll try and find out from an interview what he did during the race in question.
It’s dismaying you so readily dismiss a scientist for having a book out. No A Brief History of Time or The Emperor’s New Mind for you then on the coffee table. They are just challenging the dogma, for that’s what it is, that says athletes have to have high carbohydrate diets. Now they may well be wrong, but science is surely about testing the evidence, why should we accept that someone has ‘spoken’ carbs are the way to go and therefore that’s it, no more discussion? Their science is based on clinical studies they performed themselves with athletes.
“I disagree with your view that people can thrive on zero carbs. It's an impossibility.”
There’s no requirement for carbohydrate in the diet as we produce all the glucose we need. That’s not to say avoiding all carbs is sensible or desirable, I certainly wouldn't suggest that.
And to the amino acid supplement Vespa Power, I could not have run the race I did with out this product. It helps tremendously with recovery and my mental focus through out the race. Also allowing me to use fat as my fuel, so I’m not destroying my stomach with excess sugary concoctions.
A direct quote from the man himself from a different race. It is unambiguous that he is (or was, he may have changed) a runner who has adapted to burning fat as fuel. What he does during a race doesn’t make that a lie. If I can I’ll try and find out from an interview what he did during the race in question.
It’s dismaying you so readily dismiss a scientist for having a book out. No A Brief History of Time or The Emperor’s New Mind for you then on the coffee table. They are just challenging the dogma, for that’s what it is, that says athletes have to have high carbohydrate diets. Now they may well be wrong, but science is surely about testing the evidence, why should we accept that someone has ‘spoken’ carbs are the way to go and therefore that’s it, no more discussion? Their science is based on clinical studies they performed themselves with athletes.
“I disagree with your view that people can thrive on zero carbs. It's an impossibility.”
There’s no requirement for carbohydrate in the diet as we produce all the glucose we need. That’s not to say avoiding all carbs is sensible or desirable, I certainly wouldn't suggest that.
If you are fat and you don't want to be fat anymore then you need to change your lifestyle. It's your current lifestyle that made you fat in the first place. If you're not prepared to change it then stop moaning about it.
drinking more water is definitely a big factor. but how do you break the habit of a lifetime (i.e only drinking when you're thirsty) ?
Its quite simple ,made cmplicated by money motivated experts imo
Stop eating bread,pasta,patatoes and you will lose weight ,even better give up wheat also
Stop eating bread,pasta,patatoes and you will lose weight ,even better give up wheat also
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26 Oct 15 11:02
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am I fat or obese?
5 -10
16 stone 6
According to the BMI chart, you are too short
26 Oct 15 11:02
Joined: 12 Jul 11
| Topic/replies: 30,000 | Blogger: xmoneyx's blog
am I fat or obese?
5 -10
16 stone 6
According to the BMI chart, you are too short
I stopped eating bread and potato's three weeks ago. Just eating more vegetable's with my evening meal. Never gone hungry and I have lost 11ibs in 3 weeks.
If I gave up carbs that would be pretty much giving up eating
I have managed to lose quite a lot of weight.
I have porridge with water for brekkie. (Quaker oats in the microwave)
I cut down on alcohol to now drink ca. 3 pints & 6 shorts per week
I walk ca. 26 miles per week
I ride an excerise bike for 90 mins per week
I cut out the 2 late night indian meals I used to eat per month.
Other than that, I'm eating normal meals and losing around 7Lb per month.
I have porridge with water for brekkie. (Quaker oats in the microwave)
I cut down on alcohol to now drink ca. 3 pints & 6 shorts per week
I walk ca. 26 miles per week
I ride an excerise bike for 90 mins per week
I cut out the 2 late night indian meals I used to eat per month.
Other than that, I'm eating normal meals and losing around 7Lb per month.
There’s no requirement for carbohydrate in the diet as we produce all the glucose we need. That’s not to say avoiding all carbs is sensible or desirable, I certainly wouldn't suggest that.
Perhaps I misnderstood your use of the word thrive Flower.
Perhaps I misnderstood your use of the word thrive Flower.
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