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Did anyone see that Panorama exposing the fantasy ? 
.It is on iplayer.
All the allegations originate with some conspiracy weirdo called Chris Fay . The one guy he put up to be a victim had claimed that hed been abused along with another boy from his school ,and that this other boy had been deliberately run over and killed by a tory paedo.
Well the BBC checked the names of all the boys with the first name given that hed been to school with and none of them had been run over and killed at all, and no reports of fatal hit and runs anywhere round that time.
And this so called victim has convictions for wasting police time having falsely confessed to rape and some other stuff.
The 2nd victim genuinely had been abused by care home staff but now says he knew fk all about these politcal paedos and had only gone along with it as this Fay nutcase was ringing him night and day about it.
The famous Elm House guest list was written by Fay himself, supposedly copied down from the words of the woman who ran the place . He didnt produce it til she died so no one can ask her.
Supposedly she also told Fay photos and videos of the tory paedos abusing kids , bnut surprisingly all this incriminating stuff on the government and police didnt give her any leverage when she was charged for running a gay brothel. She was prosecuted and convicted.
Previously id never seen any of the details of the allegations and i was amazed by how absurd they were . A cabinet minister with a naked 8 year old boy on his lap and he is happy for soemone to photograph this ????? FFS
And then there was the woman who claimed Britton had raped her too . Another total fantasist , not 1 part of anything she said about Britton ,where he lived , or where she was living at the time stood up to any scrutiny .Yet that was allowed to run and run by the Met.
The police (and Tom Watson) need to hang their heads over this
.It is on iplayer.All the allegations originate with some conspiracy weirdo called Chris Fay . The one guy he put up to be a victim had claimed that hed been abused along with another boy from his school ,and that this other boy had been deliberately run over and killed by a tory paedo.
Well the BBC checked the names of all the boys with the first name given that hed been to school with and none of them had been run over and killed at all, and no reports of fatal hit and runs anywhere round that time.
And this so called victim has convictions for wasting police time having falsely confessed to rape and some other stuff.
The 2nd victim genuinely had been abused by care home staff but now says he knew fk all about these politcal paedos and had only gone along with it as this Fay nutcase was ringing him night and day about it.
The famous Elm House guest list was written by Fay himself, supposedly copied down from the words of the woman who ran the place . He didnt produce it til she died so no one can ask her.
Supposedly she also told Fay photos and videos of the tory paedos abusing kids , bnut surprisingly all this incriminating stuff on the government and police didnt give her any leverage when she was charged for running a gay brothel. She was prosecuted and convicted.
Previously id never seen any of the details of the allegations and i was amazed by how absurd they were . A cabinet minister with a naked 8 year old boy on his lap and he is happy for soemone to photograph this ????? FFS
And then there was the woman who claimed Britton had raped her too . Another total fantasist , not 1 part of anything she said about Britton ,where he lived , or where she was living at the time stood up to any scrutiny .Yet that was allowed to run and run by the Met.
The police (and Tom Watson) need to hang their heads over this
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Yep and no apology yet from the big mouth labour deputy leader Tom Watson.
What a party they are. Unelectable! Who could vote for them.
What a party they are. Unelectable! Who could vote for them.
This is not finished yet :
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5680/analysis-why-i-turned-down-panorama-s-interview-request
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5680/analysis-why-i-turned-down-panorama-s-interview-request
Seems the BBC and the left can get away with anything.
Yes, funny that. Watson has spent the last few years demanding newspapers get swingeing punishments for getting things wrong but obviously thinks he can lie with impunity.
watson did some good work bringing murdoch down a peg or two
sadly he seems to have made a fool of himself over this one
sadly he seems to have made a fool of himself over this one
Guardian :
It will come as no surprise that his enemies have got it in for Tom Watson. The West Bromwich East MP was the most effective backbench critic of phone hacking and of the Murdoch management’s responsibility. His work helped lead to the Leveson inquiry, an achievement which alone guarantees that Mr Watson will have been marked out for revenge.
Since then, Mr Watson has also become deputy leader of the Labour party, which some rightwing newspapers have always done everything to demonise. So if Mr Watson’s stance over the VIP paedophile argument has now given those same newspapers an opening to attack and discredit him, they will use it to the full, big‑time and often.
Mr Watson was absolutely right to start referring allegations of historic child sex abuse to the police. It would have been negligent to have done anything else. But he was wrong to promote those allegations as publicly as he did when he attacked the late Leon Brittan in print within days of the former Conservative home secretary’s death. The former was good judgment. The latter was bad judgment.
The police investigation into one of the main allegations against Lord Brittan has now been abandoned. Another is widely supposed to be running out of steam. A BBC Panorama investigation this week powerfully challenged several claims that have been central to the allegations against Lord Brittan and other VIPs. Lord Brittan’s relatives and friends have every right to feel aggrieved. So Mr Watson was right to make the partial retraction that he has now issued. If in the end the investigations are finally wound up without any charges, he should consider whether to apologise more fully, as Jeremy Corbyn appeared to hint on Friday. Mr Watson certainly needs to reflect that he has bigger priorities and responsibilities now.
The Leon Brittan episode is not unique. Shamed by the long-term legal and societal failings exposed by the Jimmy Savile case, there has been a natural and correct police and prosecutorial desire to do better. But in the course of this, prominent figures have been wrongly pilloried before police investigations have been completed. Some allegations are proved. But others have the hallmark of confusion and falsehood.
It is a tragedy that the long overdue attention being given to the victims of child sexual abuse has sometimes caused the pendulum to swing too far in the other direction. No one should doubt the importance of sending strong signals that allegations will be properly investigated. But in some case the rights of the accused, rather than those of the victims, as was the case in the past, are being treated with contempt as a result. This is completely inappropriate.
The police’s job is to investigate allegations objectively and impartially. They should be more rigorous about not allowing the names of potential suspects to emerge prematurely, because this can lead to injustices such as the Brittan allegations and because such actions can encourage fantasists and conspiracy theorists. The police should also be professional enough not to claim that historic allegations are true, not least because such actions jeopardise future trials. The battle for justice against child abusers is too important to be so vulnerable to poor judgment, wherever it comes from in the system.
It will come as no surprise that his enemies have got it in for Tom Watson. The West Bromwich East MP was the most effective backbench critic of phone hacking and of the Murdoch management’s responsibility. His work helped lead to the Leveson inquiry, an achievement which alone guarantees that Mr Watson will have been marked out for revenge.
Since then, Mr Watson has also become deputy leader of the Labour party, which some rightwing newspapers have always done everything to demonise. So if Mr Watson’s stance over the VIP paedophile argument has now given those same newspapers an opening to attack and discredit him, they will use it to the full, big‑time and often.
Mr Watson was absolutely right to start referring allegations of historic child sex abuse to the police. It would have been negligent to have done anything else. But he was wrong to promote those allegations as publicly as he did when he attacked the late Leon Brittan in print within days of the former Conservative home secretary’s death. The former was good judgment. The latter was bad judgment.
The police investigation into one of the main allegations against Lord Brittan has now been abandoned. Another is widely supposed to be running out of steam. A BBC Panorama investigation this week powerfully challenged several claims that have been central to the allegations against Lord Brittan and other VIPs. Lord Brittan’s relatives and friends have every right to feel aggrieved. So Mr Watson was right to make the partial retraction that he has now issued. If in the end the investigations are finally wound up without any charges, he should consider whether to apologise more fully, as Jeremy Corbyn appeared to hint on Friday. Mr Watson certainly needs to reflect that he has bigger priorities and responsibilities now.
The Leon Brittan episode is not unique. Shamed by the long-term legal and societal failings exposed by the Jimmy Savile case, there has been a natural and correct police and prosecutorial desire to do better. But in the course of this, prominent figures have been wrongly pilloried before police investigations have been completed. Some allegations are proved. But others have the hallmark of confusion and falsehood.
It is a tragedy that the long overdue attention being given to the victims of child sexual abuse has sometimes caused the pendulum to swing too far in the other direction. No one should doubt the importance of sending strong signals that allegations will be properly investigated. But in some case the rights of the accused, rather than those of the victims, as was the case in the past, are being treated with contempt as a result. This is completely inappropriate.
The police’s job is to investigate allegations objectively and impartially. They should be more rigorous about not allowing the names of potential suspects to emerge prematurely, because this can lead to injustices such as the Brittan allegations and because such actions can encourage fantasists and conspiracy theorists. The police should also be professional enough not to claim that historic allegations are true, not least because such actions jeopardise future trials. The battle for justice against child abusers is too important to be so vulnerable to poor judgment, wherever it comes from in the system.
Good to see even the Guardian agrees Watson's a lying toe rag
which alone guarantees that Mr Watson will have been marked out for revenge.
From that Guardian article :
The battle for justice against child abusers is too important to be so vulnerable to poor judgment, wherever it comes from in the system.
I could pick out any number of passages from that article, but the one above will do as well as any. All of it no doubt written without a trace of irony.
Try as I might, I cannot remember a single occasion when this publication was equally vexed about the INDUSTRIAL-SCALE rape of white sexually-underaged girls by racist paedophiles 'of Pakistani Heritage', when it belatedly exposed in towns like Rochdale, Rotherham and umpteen other places elsewhere in the UK.
I do hpwever recall that some left-wing commentators WERE very (and ridiculously) concerned that such revelations might cause some people to 'tar all such people with the same brush' and result in something called Islamaphobia.
The battle for justice against child abusers is too important to be so vulnerable to poor judgment, wherever it comes from in the system.
I could pick out any number of passages from that article, but the one above will do as well as any. All of it no doubt written without a trace of irony.
Try as I might, I cannot remember a single occasion when this publication was equally vexed about the INDUSTRIAL-SCALE rape of white sexually-underaged girls by racist paedophiles 'of Pakistani Heritage', when it belatedly exposed in towns like Rochdale, Rotherham and umpteen other places elsewhere in the UK.
I do hpwever recall that some left-wing commentators WERE very (and ridiculously) concerned that such revelations might cause some people to 'tar all such people with the same brush' and result in something called Islamaphobia.
Id rather someone like Watson get it wrong than someone like Corbyn who did nothing but try to get investigations stopped when allegations of abuse were brought to him.
I know which of the two should be resigning.
I know which of the two should be resigning.
The Old Bill have issued an apology to Lady Brittan in which they apologise for 'any offence caused'.
'Any'?? 'ANY'? Why include that word when your dead husband has been exonerated of any blame.
Bastards.
'Any'?? 'ANY'? Why include that word when your dead husband has been exonerated of any blame.
Bastards.
It's a sign of the nice caring politics that the Corbyn-led Labour party is doing these days, underlined by the egg-pelting, spitting mob outside the Tory party conference in Manchester.
Watson discredited himself by accusing only the tories of this vile abuse. That showed him to be a particularly nasty piece of work only trying to make political points in a nasty manner.
Brittan has not been exonerated....the investigation is ongoing.
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http://www.channel4.com/news/tom-watson-dpp-correspondence-letters-with-alison-saunders
In an interview the Channel 4 News Watson responded to calls for an apology to the family of Lord Brittan; "There were multiple allegations of sexual crimes made against Leon Brittan and in those circumstances I don’t think it was unreasonable to ask that the guidelines were adhered to."
"And I think most reasonable people would think that when there are multiple allegations from people independent of each other, never met, that the first thing the police want to do was to find out what the alleged suspect had to say."
When asked if he would now contact Lord Brittan's family he stated; "I believe I was helping victims have their voice heard and I don’t want to cause more distress than has already been caused."
The newly appointed deputy Labour leader says he will not be stepping down.
"There is far more to this case than meets the eye and I think that should be a concern for the Goddard Inquiry but I don’t think it requires public comment now."
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http://www.channel4.com/news/tom-watson-dpp-correspondence-letters-with-alison-saunders
In an interview the Channel 4 News Watson responded to calls for an apology to the family of Lord Brittan; "There were multiple allegations of sexual crimes made against Leon Brittan and in those circumstances I don’t think it was unreasonable to ask that the guidelines were adhered to."
"And I think most reasonable people would think that when there are multiple allegations from people independent of each other, never met, that the first thing the police want to do was to find out what the alleged suspect had to say."
When asked if he would now contact Lord Brittan's family he stated; "I believe I was helping victims have their voice heard and I don’t want to cause more distress than has already been caused."
The newly appointed deputy Labour leader says he will not be stepping down.
"There is far more to this case than meets the eye and I think that should be a concern for the Goddard Inquiry but I don’t think it requires public comment now."
Now the media are intent on doing their utmost to convince the public that there is nothing to investigate
who would benefit from that?
who would benefit from that?
I heard rumours about Brittan from a Prison Officer decades ago.
I heard rumours about Brittan from a Prison Officer decades ago.
Brittan has never been inside so why would a prison officer know anything?
Brittan has never been inside so why would a prison officer know anything?
Besides, rumour, contrary to one of the central pillars of chit-chat, is no basis for legal action in the real world.
Maybe the Prison Officer had been speaking to "victims" who ended up inside. No basis for affirmation of guilt, I actually findthe handling of the Dickens file far more telling
About as innocent as oj simpson,
the glove doesn't fit
the files went missing!!
the glove doesn't fitthe files went missing!!
Why did Dickens say this in the House of Commons on 31/3/1987?
“I should like to place on record my thanks to the Home Office and the departments within the Home Office for following up the many cases that I keep sending to it. I should also like to thank the attorney-general. They have been very helpful and a strength to me in my campaigns.”
“I should like to place on record my thanks to the Home Office and the departments within the Home Office for following up the many cases that I keep sending to it. I should also like to thank the attorney-general. They have been very helpful and a strength to me in my campaigns.”
Point proven that if a man is accused many will be quite prepared to judge him guilty by association,particularly if he has views/manner/appearance/religious beliefs different to themselves.Whilst I never liked Brittain it is a dangerous path to tread for Watson as Brittain offered himself to talk to the media/government believing that he strongly believed the rumours were set about by our own secret services because of his support for Israel while he was Home Secretary.Will we ever find out the whole truth,most unlikely?
Then again, when you actually get a Tory Chief Whip admitting on camera that MP's came to him looking to cover up scandals involving young boys, then what the hell is one supposed to believe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GwkOWPauu_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GwkOWPauu_A
Anyone wrongfully accused will be used to discredit the whole investigation
roger,I am absolutely sure the Labour chief whip will have used such details to keep Labour MP's in line too, my point was by making it a partisans cheap shot he has done all abused kids a disservice. He has allowed his bile and hatred to obscure the investigation impact. He is an idiot and quite unfit for minsterial responsibility.
He is very brave to go up against some powerful and evil forces.
treetop
13 Oct 15 20:13
roger,I am absolutely sure the Labour chief whip will have used such details to keep Labour MP's in line too, my point was by making it a partisans cheap shot he has done all abused kids a disservice. He has allowed his bile and hatred to obscure the investigation impact. He is an idiot and quite unfit for minsterial responsibility.
You're absolutely sure are you?
Maybe you should report this to the Police then, or get in touch with a journalist.
They would lap up anything that paints the Labour Party in a bad light right now.
The point is, a Tory Whip was actually on camera admitting to the fact that MP's came to him and asked him to hush up incidents with young boys. Nothing to my knowledge has been done about this.
Which begs the questions: who was he talking about and what kind of vested interests are ranged behind him to keep such a disclosure from gaining any further traction?
13 Oct 15 20:13
roger,I am absolutely sure the Labour chief whip will have used such details to keep Labour MP's in line too, my point was by making it a partisans cheap shot he has done all abused kids a disservice. He has allowed his bile and hatred to obscure the investigation impact. He is an idiot and quite unfit for minsterial responsibility.
You're absolutely sure are you?
Maybe you should report this to the Police then, or get in touch with a journalist.
They would lap up anything that paints the Labour Party in a bad light right now.
The point is, a Tory Whip was actually on camera admitting to the fact that MP's came to him and asked him to hush up incidents with young boys. Nothing to my knowledge has been done about this.
Which begs the questions: who was he talking about and what kind of vested interests are ranged behind him to keep such a disclosure from gaining any further traction?
I have never said any of these people are definitely guilty, I just think most of them are probably guilty.
"And I think most reasonable people would think that when there are multiple allegations from people independent of each other, never met, that the first thing the police want to do was to find out what the alleged suspect had to say."
But none of these so called victims were independent of each other really .Only in the sense that they didnt know each other .All of them are linked to this Fay crackpot , who clearly - by the account of the one that admits it was all bollox - was instructing them on what to say might have happened , and showing them pictures of Leon Brittan , whom the guy had never seen before in his life . That there are suposedly 20 people is the account Fay gives , but he could only actually name 3 , 2 of them are clearly fantasists and the other says it is all shyte.
BTW the woman who claimed to have been raped by Brittan was apparently heavily involved in the Corbyn leadership campaign ! . One Labour MP who met her at a campaign meeting said she was clearly completely bonkers .
Ive seen the film of the tory chief whip from the Heath era saying the thing to do if an MP was a paedo was to hush it up and it is disgusting , but i dont see why that means it should be possible ti accuse random tories of raping kids with fk all evidence to back it up
Cant we just judge on the evidence of the individual cases.
But none of these so called victims were independent of each other really .Only in the sense that they didnt know each other .All of them are linked to this Fay crackpot , who clearly - by the account of the one that admits it was all bollox - was instructing them on what to say might have happened , and showing them pictures of Leon Brittan , whom the guy had never seen before in his life . That there are suposedly 20 people is the account Fay gives , but he could only actually name 3 , 2 of them are clearly fantasists and the other says it is all shyte.
BTW the woman who claimed to have been raped by Brittan was apparently heavily involved in the Corbyn leadership campaign ! . One Labour MP who met her at a campaign meeting said she was clearly completely bonkers .
Ive seen the film of the tory chief whip from the Heath era saying the thing to do if an MP was a paedo was to hush it up and it is disgusting , but i dont see why that means it should be possible ti accuse random tories of raping kids with fk all evidence to back it up
Cant we just judge on the evidence of the individual cases.
Are there multiple cases like this tobermory? Where one person has(this fay person in this instance, not read up too much on it) apparently totally orchestrated a hatchet job on anyone, tory or otherwise.
Dont know tbh .Usually you will have several credible ,independent , witnesses like with Savile ,Hall et al
Zac Goldsmith (MP for Richmond and Tory candidate for London Mayor) has been called on to withdraw allegations too.
Perhaps I've not been following this too closely but I'm puzzled now as to where we are. There are so many allegations flying around, some more-or-less solid but with a lot of the more sensational ones tracing back to the same discredited source, that it is not clear what is still being investigated.
Perhaps I've not been following this too closely but I'm puzzled now as to where we are. There are so many allegations flying around, some more-or-less solid but with a lot of the more sensational ones tracing back to the same discredited source, that it is not clear what is still being investigated.
TheBaron • October 13, 2015 2:02 PM BST
Anyone wrongfully accused will be used to discredit the whole investigation
And that's the danger with fools like Watson and Goldsmith diving in with both feet.
Anyone wrongfully accused will be used to discredit the whole investigation
And that's the danger with fools like Watson and Goldsmith diving in with both feet.
Tom Watson was happy to attend segregated meetings,he used parliamentary privilege to make accusations against some dying pro European Tory but never uttered a word about the rape of thousands of children in Rotherham.
Labour councils presided over these Muslim grooming scandals,those children were sacrificed on the altar of social cohesion.
Labour councils presided over these Muslim grooming scandals,those children were sacrificed on the altar of social cohesion.
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