SNP

Och aye the noo

Why do people vote for the SNP?

Scottish Parliament been given loads of devolved powers, eg varying tax rates, but these never get used.

THen the SNP just whinge to get more devolved powers even though they never use the ones they already have

Already bleating about another referendum, they will want one every five years till they get what they want.

better than the rancid corrupt labour party

a lot of people seem to be in panic mode about a possible 2nd indyref

wonder why? 

dave1357 i have to laugh at your xxxx

infact i would call you a silly name if i could

Silly names

..... they should just have the referendum, vote yes, and be done with it. Its going to happen anyway - genie out of the bottle having referendum last year. Drag on for decades, only postponing the inevitable

Sturgeon desperate to get another referendum now as she knows that the more exposure that that band of numpties get in Westminster the less support she'll have.
She also knows that Corbyn will win back some of the loonies lost to the SNP.
Sturgeon making a big thing about austerity yet she had the power to raise extra funds via taxation and failed to use it.
That's something that Corbyn is spot on about, the SNP make all the right noises but do feck all.
Not that I believe in him but God help us if she ever gets her wish. We'd be another Greece in less than a decade.

They stole the lunie left and the Labour Party want it back ,gunna be like the ice cream wars

Wallflower ...settle petal ,if the I ref had went their way Scotland would be facing bankruptcy ,salmonomics little white glossy pamphlet full of keek would have seen to that ,(filed away under fantasy  horror ).  Truly astonishing the lies about the oil and a total lack of a grasp on world economics and basic world affairs.And now it's just a matter of time ,Jesus wept ...

My wife got me to sign up for the snp.... wasn,t expecting a needle to my nuts and to shoot blanks afterwords...

Ah the Ice Cream Wars.  Entertaining.  Didn't Taggart settle them?  The Scots voted for the SNP because they (correctly) figured they would get more out of the English.  The Scots wont vote for independence again now that the North Sea has cratered.  Wee Nicola should look out for herself - I've no doubt the SNP males will be reasserting the 'natural order' asap.

Is there any difference between disinformation and misinformation? Some plonkers on this thread who obviously get their info from the warped BBC and even more warped mainstream print media.


As for you akabula, you must hold the record for attempts at denigrating your fellow Scots. Every chance you get, it's Sturgeon this, Sturgeon that.

Independence IS inevitable. I smell your fear.

You don't smell my fear Alias I'm not a celtic supporter.

Education standards in Scotland at an all time low.
The police force in Scotland the least effective it's ever been.
The oil industry in Scotland in crisis and losing cash hand over fist.

Yet Nicola tells us we're in good hands. You know same as me Alias that independence would finish us.
It would be back to living off the land. Better Together.

What was the result last time around?  Forty-five percent to fifty-five percent, something like that?  If another referendum was held next week I'd be willing to place a small wager that the margins would be virtually the same again.

Ali Baba wrote, "Independence IS inevitable. I smell your fear."

What you smell, Ali Oops - apart from Celtic supporters in your vicinity - is the hot air emerging from Chief Sitting Bullsh1t Salmon's arris ...

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/indyref-anniversary-independence-the-way-the-wind-is-blowing-says-alex-salmond-1.900847

You really are a MUG Alias.

akabula 18 Sep 15 21:43 Joined: 13 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 15,161 | Blogger: akabula's blog
Education standards in Scotland at an all time low.
The police force in Scotland the least effective it's ever been.
The oil industry in Scotland in crisis and losing cash hand over fist.


That is the point though. The worse the SNP make it for people now, the more chance there is people will vote for change ie. Independence.

No surprise the great unwashed in Glasgow voted "Yes" in the last referendum, while the well off in Edinburgh and Aberdeen a resounding "No"

SNP--Greet(great)White Shark


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eacbNSv1l3c


quite a good summary--Alex Thompson channel4 news

A LOT OF people who voted Yes last year will never vote the same again.  SNP are turning into a horrible twisted wee party.  Sturgeon will NEVER get my vote again

SNP voters get over it ffs, 23%  more people voted no than yes & yet they want another vote after a year 

Previous Yes voters have had enough of them.  Time to move on

SNP voters are mostly decent people ... I voted SNP to keep Labour out, ffs!

HOWEVER ... the SNP are in for a very rude awakening come the Holyroo vote, off yes.

Alias

^ CMAT knows where I'm coming from

Wee Burney must actually be secretly happy that  they lost the referendum as the Oil
Price has tanked.The SNP will continue to blame Westminster for anything bad and that
will also apply after a yes vote.

I was reading some stats on the oil industry yesterday and one stood out.
The SNP predicted yearly oil revenues at £7.9billion.
the actual figure will be less than £1billion at £600million.

What sickens me about Sturgeon is that she will not let it go.
No matter what happens she brings independence into the argument.
She is there, along with all the other SMPs to run Scotland.
She must learn to separate the election vote from the referendum vote.
Scotland voted for the Union with only 38% of the electorate in favour of independence.
Sturgeon must stop pandering to the likes of Alias and all the other wee would be Hitlers that tried to force independence on us.

@FredRescue
I actually missed out the crisis in the NHS from that list.
And wee Nicky needs to take responsibility and therefore the criticism as all are in our control thanks to devolution.

.........nobody knows what would have happened if Scotland had somehow been independent before North Sea oil. Perhaps not as good economically  as Norway (although similarities) - but certainly not part of crushing "national (UK)" debt - one of the arguments in favour of retaining the union was they couldn't service their share of the debt - and you should stay in such a set-up. Its very very sad really.

Anyway, that's not the point, at some stage the Scots will have to have belief in their own nation and their ability to shape their own destiny.

Independence is not about the SNP, Labour, Conservatives etc - people continually confuse the two

....nor is at about the economics of 2014, 15 , 16 etc its about 20-30 years down the road. Look at Ireland, don't have the same advantages of Scotland - but can shape their economy as they please - and they do so very successfully (their recent crisis, which they are coming out of, was a banking / regulation crisis - their economy has always been very strong, and is getting stronger again).

Don't think they wish they were part of the UK - besides they have far more influence on a European and global stage than Scotland has, and much investment that could have been secured for Scotland finds it way to Ireland because of this.

Scotland economy was based on deliberately inflated and unrealistic oil revenues.
Every economist predicted black holes of various amounts and this before taking into account our share of the national debt.
Your argument for Scotland is an emotional argument and ignores the financial aspects.
Thank goodness the vast majority of Scots aren't convinced with this shaping your own economy rubbish. Didn't we do that when Blair was in situ?
BETTER TOGETHER.

Since Ireland got independence in the 1920s (against the wishes of the majority) thousands of young people have had to leave and.  find work in England . It would not have been able to survice economically as an independent country without this safety valve.

The long list of Irish inventions  ,artists ,poets ect is a great testimony to the virtues of Indy .

....and yours akabula has no vision whatsoever and keeps Scotland as a regional outpost of a larger entity - if you find that status quo acceptable then fine. But don't expect those who can see a better future to ever agree.

At least the Irish can look the other full nations of the world in the eye. Nothing wrong with emotion either, it is not all about economics either - I'll shed a tear when Scotland takes it seat in the UN

A regional outpost?
Maybe that's how you see Scotland and shame on you if you do.
I see Scotland as one of four countries in a Union.
A Union that has served us well for over 300 years.
Too much history tying us together to just walk away from it.
Proud to be Scottish and Proud to be British.

Shame?  Shame on you  - we've had this discussion before. British is not a nationality in the true sense - Scottish is. Very debatable if it has served Scotland well in comparison to what could have been.

Still, it will happen - just hope I live to see it

There are 267 countries in the world, being generous the average Scot[or Brit]
would  be happy to live in less than 10% of them.The inhabitants of the vast majority of the rest
of those independent countries would likely love to emigrate to the UK.

British is not a nationality in the true sense

Irrelevant.
People take pride in being both Scottish and British irrespective of legalities in the terms.

..... and very many don't, and never will. Just accept it

I do accept it.
In fact only a little more than a third of the electorate didn't so I think it is you lot in the yes camp that are struggling to accept it.
In simple terms you lost.

Wallflower, nationalism is acceptable in some situations - people trying to eject invaders, negate externally imposed settlements.  Otherwise it's verging on the fascist/rascist.  I can see little virtue in the SNP position.  A bunch of fairly talentless people trying to become big fish in a small pond?  What in hell can you do as an independent country that you can't do now?  I recall asking who were the outstanding souls who would lead an independent Scotland to a bright new dawn.  Names there came none.  If 'independence' actually happened, most of the money and most of the talent would come south.  Why?  Because the SNP is socialist party that believes in bribing its electorate with other people's money.  The oil is stuffed for now, and Japanese whiskeys are more highly rated.  As the economy plummets you'll start looking for scapegoats and alienate most of the population.  Eventually you'd turn into something like North Korea - a rich elite (great titles and loads of medals) living on the backs of the starving masses.  Skeletal survivors would swim across the Tweed nightly.  And we'd take them in.

Wallflower    20 Sep 15 22:36 
..... and very many don't, and never will. Just accept it


I think people do accept the minority  will never accept it, they will keep banging on till they get want, if you do get what you want & get independence how would you feel if five years later the no voters asked for another vote to see if they still want it, I reckon I would know what your reply to that is.

That is the point though. The worse the SNP make it for people now, the more chance there is people will vote for change ie. Independence.

No surprise the great unwashed in Glasgow voted "Yes" in the last referendum, while the well off in Edinburgh and Aberdeen a resounding "No"


Do remarks like that explain why you think Scotland is divided?

Japanese whiskeys are more highly rated

Your obvious comparisons being Irish and American.

Proud to be Scottish and Proud to be British


Proud of IDS and Dave and Gideon, of more and more food banks in your UK? Proud of the fascist, repressive anti union bill the Tories are pushing through? Next will be no sick pay, no holiday pay. All of the hard won benefits over decades are being eroded, and more and more unscrupulous firms will operate zero hours contracts. 

Prominent Conservative David Davis disdainfully commented on the bill: "This is not Franco's Britain." You'll soon be hard pressed to tell any difference.

akabula

akabula
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Education standards in Scotland at an all time low.
The police force in Scotland the least effective it's ever been.
The oil industry in Scotland in crisis and losing cash hand over fist.

Yet Nicola tells us we're in good hands. You know same as me Alias that independence would finish us.

Typical tory unionist rhetoric and lies. Mind, you could've just said "we're too wee, too poor and too stupid" Is that what you REALLY think? And IF any of your wild claims were true, why is the Holyrood govt so popular? Why is Nicola Sturgeon so popular? Would you like to argue that black is white?

Alias dinna waste yer breath on that balloon.
He canna help being intellectually challenged.

Scotland was a one party socialist state under Labour and it still is under the SNP.
I doubt the working class of Glasgow and Lanarkshire were all that bothered about
independence, it was the thought that they would get more money that galvanised
them.

......no point really discussing it - you'd be withered....,,,,stuck in 2015

Scotland turns into North Korea if it was independent. Oh FFS

Who says the SNP would be in government?? They might at the start but other politic parties would emerge - probably from Scottish Conservative / Scottish Labour, perhaps new parties. Politics would change drastically and have a new vibrancy in an exciting time.

As Scotland forged its new economic and social identity the old pro- anti- independence stances would be forgotten.

The issue as I said before lack of vision and ambition, an innate fear of the unknown- perhaps a national characteristic. Depressing and embarrassing really - how many "countries" vote to in effect not be a country? Please don't say its a union, just call it what it is, one country dominance over another.

great post flower..heid nail hit wd pal.

Seems Wallflower has led a very frustrating life up till now.

Seems Wallflower has led a very frustrating life up till now.

Seems Wallflower has led a very frustrating life up till now.