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By:
Wallflower
When: 20 Sep 15 22:36
..... and very many don't, and never will. Just accept it
By:
akabula
When: 20 Sep 15 23:02
I do accept it.
In fact only a little more than a third of the electorate didn't so I think it is you lot in the yes camp that are struggling to accept it.
In simple terms you lost. Laugh
By:
bodil
When: 20 Sep 15 23:54
Wallflower, nationalism is acceptable in some situations - people trying to eject invaders, negate externally imposed settlements.  Otherwise it's verging on the fascist/rascist.  I can see little virtue in the SNP position.  A bunch of fairly talentless people trying to become big fish in a small pond?  What in hell can you do as an independent country that you can't do now?  I recall asking who were the outstanding souls who would lead an independent Scotland to a bright new dawn.  Names there came none.  If 'independence' actually happened, most of the money and most of the talent would come south.  Why?  Because the SNP is socialist party that believes in bribing its electorate with other people's money.  The oil is stuffed for now, and Japanese whiskeys are more highly rated.  As the economy plummets you'll start looking for scapegoats and alienate most of the population.  Eventually you'd turn into something like North Korea - a rich elite (great titles and loads of medals) living on the backs of the starving masses.  Skeletal survivors would swim across the Tweed nightly.  And we'd take them in.
By:
pumphol.
When: 21 Sep 15 00:03
Wallflower    20 Sep 15 22:36 
..... and very many don't, and never will. Just accept it


I think people do accept the minority  will never accept it, they will keep banging on till they get want, if you do get what you want & get independence how would you feel if five years later the no voters asked for another vote to see if they still want it, I reckon I would know what your reply to that is.
By:
Alias
When: 21 Sep 15 15:24
That is the point though. The worse the SNP make it for people now, the more chance there is people will vote for change ie. Independence.

No surprise the great unwashed in Glasgow voted "Yes" in the last referendum, while the well off in Edinburgh and Aberdeen a resounding "No"



Do remarks like that explain why you think Scotland is divided?
By:
Alias
When: 21 Sep 15 15:25
Japanese whiskeys are more highly rated

Your obvious comparisons being Irish and American.
By:
Alias
When: 21 Sep 15 15:32
Proud to be Scottish and Proud to be British


Proud of IDS and Dave and Gideon, of more and more food banks in your UK? Proud of the fascist, repressive anti union bill the Tories are pushing through? Next will be no sick pay, no holiday pay. All of the hard won benefits over decades are being eroded, and more and more unscrupulous firms will operate zero hours contracts. 

Prominent Conservative David Davis disdainfully commented on the bill: "This is not Franco's Britain." You'll soon be hard pressed to tell any difference.
By:
Alias
When: 21 Sep 15 15:52
akabula

akabula
18 Sep 15 21:43
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Education standards in Scotland at an all time low.
The police force in Scotland the least effective it's ever been.
The oil industry in Scotland in crisis and losing cash hand over fist.

Yet Nicola tells us we're in good hands. You know same as me Alias that independence would finish us.


Typical tory unionist rhetoric and lies. Mind, you could've just said "we're too wee, too poor and too stupid" Is that what you REALLY think? And IF any of your wild claims were true, why is the Holyrood govt so popular? Why is Nicola Sturgeon so popular? Would you like to argue that black is white?
By:
sofiakenny
When: 21 Sep 15 18:39
Alias dinna waste yer breath on that balloon.
He canna help being intellectually challenged.
By:
Sica Dan
When: 21 Sep 15 19:20
Scotland was a one party socialist state under Labour and it still is under the SNP.
I doubt the working class of Glasgow and Lanarkshire were all that bothered about
independence, it was the thought that they would get more money that galvanised
them.
By:
Wallflower
When: 21 Sep 15 20:51
......no point really discussing it - you'd be witheredGrin....,,,,stuck in 2015

Scotland turns into North Korea if it was independent. Oh FFSCryCry

Who says the SNP would be in government?? They might at the start but other politic parties would emerge - probably from Scottish Conservative / Scottish Labour, perhaps new parties. Politics would change drastically and have a new vibrancy in an exciting time.

As Scotland forged its new economic and social identity the old pro- anti- independence stances would be forgotten.

The issue as I said before lack of vision and ambition, an innate fear of the unknown- perhaps a national characteristicSad. Depressing and embarrassing really - how many "countries" vote to in effect not be a country? Please don't say its a union, just call it what it is, one country dominance over another.
By:
sofiakenny
When: 21 Sep 15 23:59
great post flower..heid nail hit wd pal.
By:
pumphol.
When: 22 Sep 15 00:20
Seems Wallflower has led a very frustrating life up till now.
By:
pumphol.
When: 22 Sep 15 00:20
Seems Wallflower has led a very frustrating life up till now.
By:
pumphol.
When: 22 Sep 15 00:20
Seems Wallflower has led a very frustrating life up till now.
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