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All this b.ollox about Jezza Corbyn, good luck to him. Our national anthem is awful, but even if it was good I don’t think people should be lambasted for not singing it. Do we have to wait until every WW2 vet has died before we can stop singing it? Personally I am very patriotic but I accept it is a very irrational thing, like a tribal thing Better psychologists than me though will tell you that tribalism is some kind of normal human instinct. So long as you don’t go starting wars or being a football hooligan a bit of blind patriotism can be tremendous fun, particularly if you like sport. Being blindly patriotic like being a monarchist is also good in that it gets right up the noses of the self fisting classes like the loony left and aussies and frenchies and that. Luckily, being English, means patriotism doesn’t have to be as blind as it would have to be for other nationalities, because we genuinely are the world leaders in most things like art, tv, cuisine, sport, music and just generally oozing class. Which is nice.
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When, if ever, are we going to stop commemorating the War. There are very few alive now who were any age in 14-18 and yesterday's was 75 years of the Battle of Britain. 75 years!!! Getting a bit old hat now. Sorry, all you traditionalists but time marches on. I'm more interested in the now and the future. What's past is past.
I refuse to sing any national anthem. Respectful silence is probably the most polite thing to do, which is what Corbyn did yesterday. He should get rid of the tie. Doesn't suit him at all.
I refuse to sing any national anthem. Respectful silence is probably the most polite thing to do, which is what Corbyn did yesterday. He should get rid of the tie. Doesn't suit him at all.
He's a Republican and whilst I don't agree with him I respect his view. It would arguably be hypocritical to sign an anthem about a Queen he doesn't think should be there and if he did I would imagine the press would have called him on that.
How will the pro-Corbyn crew now spin this swift change of mind about the National Anthem? Is it no longer a 'dirge' but the finest piece of writing since the Lennon-McCartney songbook?
1. What is the point in being patriotic, it's mainly used as a tool to gain cannon fodder?
2. The National Anthem is an American song anyway.
3. The press are leaping on anything and everything in a bid to discredit Corbyn, hence the mere thought of the National Anthem.
2. The National Anthem is an American song anyway.
3. The press are leaping on anything and everything in a bid to discredit Corbyn, hence the mere thought of the National Anthem.
I agree with that but if he now sings it he will be giving them another stick to beat them with. He should stick to his principles.
he's known he was winning this election on the bridle for about 2 months yet it seems he's given no thought or preparation as to what he was going to do when he won. the first few days have been an utter shambles
doesn't really matter whether you agree with the words of the national anthem or not if you're auditioning to be the leader of the country you have to behave like it
doesn't really matter whether you agree with the words of the national anthem or not if you're auditioning to be the leader of the country you have to behave like it
I agree with that but if he now sings it he will be giving them another stick to beat them with. He should stick to his principles.
Agreed. I think he will have to make compromises along the way, but strangely I don't think this should be one of them. Why sing the actual words "God save the queen" if you don't believe it. He should compromise on Trident but not on this. Or nationalisation. Or taxing the rich. etc.
Agreed. I think he will have to make compromises along the way, but strangely I don't think this should be one of them. Why sing the actual words "God save the queen" if you don't believe it. He should compromise on Trident but not on this. Or nationalisation. Or taxing the rich. etc.
I definitely think that sport is the place for blind patriotism. I love supporting a team just because they're wearing white shirts.
Actually believing that your country is superior, on the other hand, gets problematic very quickly. Even if you can ignore key historical turning points and the chaotic (Chaos Theory wise) nature of history, you can't really get around the fact that it's total luck which country you're born in.
Actually, I've long suspected a negative correlation between patriotism in things like sport and belief that foreigners/other races are inferior. During the Olympics, for example, forumites like Roger the Butler and Rob Dylan were much more likely to get behind GB than Winkle and co. Maybe you need to express your tribalism somehow and it's better to do it in a relatively harmless way.
Actually believing that your country is superior, on the other hand, gets problematic very quickly. Even if you can ignore key historical turning points and the chaotic (Chaos Theory wise) nature of history, you can't really get around the fact that it's total luck which country you're born in.
Actually, I've long suspected a negative correlation between patriotism in things like sport and belief that foreigners/other races are inferior. During the Olympics, for example, forumites like Roger the Butler and Rob Dylan were much more likely to get behind GB than Winkle and co. Maybe you need to express your tribalism somehow and it's better to do it in a relatively harmless way.
Eeternaloptimist • September 16, 2015 1:45 PM BST
He's a Republican and whilst I don't agree with him I respect his view. It would arguably be hypocritical to sign an anthem about a Queen he doesn't think should be there and if he did I would imagine the press would have called him on that
So how does he equate not singing the National Anthem with kneeling in front of the Queen to take the oath as a Privy Councillor?
He's a Republican and whilst I don't agree with him I respect his view. It would arguably be hypocritical to sign an anthem about a Queen he doesn't think should be there and if he did I would imagine the press would have called him on that
So how does he equate not singing the National Anthem with kneeling in front of the Queen to take the oath as a Privy Councillor?
FKS SAKE no one cares!
Not one of the bunch of tw@ts that comprise our National Football side sings the bloody, bleeding, effing National Anthem before a game bar John Terry and he's tone deaf! Rooney can't remember the words, Hart's busy messing with his hair and when Lampard tried he blew pie crumbs all over his shirt.
If they can't be @rsed nor should we.
Not one of the bunch of tw@ts that comprise our National Football side sings the bloody, bleeding, effing National Anthem before a game bar John Terry and he's tone deaf! Rooney can't remember the words, Hart's busy messing with his hair and when Lampard tried he blew pie crumbs all over his shirt.
If they can't be @rsed nor should we.
I think we should follow the North Korean example and shoot anyone who doesn't sing the national anthem with enough enthusiasm and volume.
Important that MPs sing God Save the Queen, to remind themselves that theirs is a temporary job, that they are not Head of State and, if they try to be, they will be out on their ear.
Under no circumstances should anyone living in Britain today consider themselves British. Forget and as far as possible withdraw from any obligations regarding paying tax if you can and gather as much money about you as possible. If called upon in any future time of crisis such as war or civil stress do not contribute in any fashion. Forget at all costs that you have any allegiance to this country or the people who live here.
Fair enough, rob. My thinking is that dictatorships often arise when there's no head of state to block them.
Post WW1 the Allies made Germany a republic, with a president as head of state and a chancellor as head of government. The idea was that if the Germans ever elected, say, a short, dark Austrian with a sense of destiny to be their chancellor, the president would be able to dismiss him if he started to subvert the democratic constitution or the rule of law.
Unfortunately the popular president, Hindenburg, died, and the Nazi party lawyers simply never got round to starting the process of appointing a new one, which allowed their man to do what he liked.
That's why I support the Queen as Head of State, even though I don't think much of her as a person and even less of her heir.
But then, I'm only half-British, which means I only bother half-singing the National Anthem anyway, so what do I know?
Post WW1 the Allies made Germany a republic, with a president as head of state and a chancellor as head of government. The idea was that if the Germans ever elected, say, a short, dark Austrian with a sense of destiny to be their chancellor, the president would be able to dismiss him if he started to subvert the democratic constitution or the rule of law.
Unfortunately the popular president, Hindenburg, died, and the Nazi party lawyers simply never got round to starting the process of appointing a new one, which allowed their man to do what he liked.
That's why I support the Queen as Head of State, even though I don't think much of her as a person and even less of her heir.
But then, I'm only half-British, which means I only bother half-singing the National Anthem anyway, so what do I know?
Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free,
How shall we extol thee, who are born of thee?
Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet,
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet.
I'm out!
How shall we extol thee, who are born of thee?
Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet,
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet.
I'm out!
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On England's pleasant pastures seen!
I'm out!
Walk upon England's mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On England's pleasant pastures seen!
I'm out!
He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother would be a good one imo.
I am the Walrus coo coo coochoo coochoo coochoo seems the obvious choice. Seriously would love us to put that on the old gramophone blaring out at twickenham in response to the NZ haka. They wouldn't know what hit them and it would inspire us to a great world cup win.
So how does he equate not singing the National Anthem with kneeling in front of the Queen to take the oath as a Privy Councillor?
Good question Clerkmore. He either refuses to kneel and creates another furore or he does kneel and creates another furore. Oh to be a Republican.
Good question Clerkmore. He either refuses to kneel and creates another furore or he does kneel and creates another furore. Oh to be a Republican.
is this kneeling something he has to do to become officially an MP? like one of the things the sinn fein lot won't do through principle. Well if so then I would say this is something where he should compromise, bite your tongue and do as you are told until you're in. Then bring them down from within. No need to compromise on the anthem singing though, just don't do sing, why should you?
It is certainly one of the better anthems..it sounds like a nataional hymn not something from the circus like most of them.
As some of remarked elsewhere, our national anthem would be more suitable for North Korea.
Don't think. Don't question. Shut the fck up and obey. These people are better than you because they just are. God should save the most privilaged woman in history because he just should. Look at the flag and be grateful for what you have. Bow before the Queen or we will call you a terrorist.
I favour a more football chant type of anthem. Maybe "Here we go here we go here we go"
Her Majesty favours "Who's the b@stard in the beard?"
Republicans have expressed opposition to a compulsory oath made to an unelected monarch.
Tony Benn in 1992 stated, when he took the oath, “As a dedicated republican, I solemnly swear…”. In the 1997 election, "As a committed republican, under protest, I take the oath required of me by law, under the Parliamentary Oaths Act of 1866, to allow me to represent my constituency … Later stating, "When one looks at the oaths of a Privy Counsellor, a Member of Parliament and the Sovereign at the coronation, they throw an interesting light on the obligations by which we are bound. The reality is that nobody takes an oath to uphold democracy in Britain. The Queen takes an oath to govern the country and uphold the rights of the bishops. We take an oath to the Queen. Nobody in the House takes an oath to uphold democracy in Britain."
Kevin McNamara stated: "The era in which it was thought to be appropriate for legislators to set a political or religious test for those deemed acceptable to enter the parliamentary club has long since passed. … The only test for inclusion and membership of this House should be the will of the electorate, freely expressed."
Dennis Skinner stated, “I solemnly swear that I will bear true and faithful allegiance to the Queen when she pays her income tax”.
Tony Banks was seen with his fingers crossed when he took the oath in 1997.[27]
Richard Burgon in 2015 prefaced his oath by expressing his support for constitutional change for an elected head of state: "As someone that believes that the head of state should be elected I make this oath in order to serve my constituents"
Tony Benn in 1992 stated, when he took the oath, “As a dedicated republican, I solemnly swear…”. In the 1997 election, "As a committed republican, under protest, I take the oath required of me by law, under the Parliamentary Oaths Act of 1866, to allow me to represent my constituency … Later stating, "When one looks at the oaths of a Privy Counsellor, a Member of Parliament and the Sovereign at the coronation, they throw an interesting light on the obligations by which we are bound. The reality is that nobody takes an oath to uphold democracy in Britain. The Queen takes an oath to govern the country and uphold the rights of the bishops. We take an oath to the Queen. Nobody in the House takes an oath to uphold democracy in Britain."
Kevin McNamara stated: "The era in which it was thought to be appropriate for legislators to set a political or religious test for those deemed acceptable to enter the parliamentary club has long since passed. … The only test for inclusion and membership of this House should be the will of the electorate, freely expressed."
Dennis Skinner stated, “I solemnly swear that I will bear true and faithful allegiance to the Queen when she pays her income tax”.
Tony Banks was seen with his fingers crossed when he took the oath in 1997.[27]
Richard Burgon in 2015 prefaced his oath by expressing his support for constitutional change for an elected head of state: "As someone that believes that the head of state should be elected I make this oath in order to serve my constituents"
The funniest was the Sheridan rabble being sworn in at Holyrood although Banks with his crossed fingers comes close. 
I think this should be our national anthem...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iijymyqTVlg
I was in amongst them when that was filmed, never have I been more proud to be English than when we were singing that. Happy days.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iijymyqTVlg
I was in amongst them when that was filmed, never have I been more proud to be English than when we were singing that. Happy days.
new labour MPs have told Corbyn to sing next time
apparently he's agreed
apparently he's agreed
Every young person should sing the n ational anthem at start of class. Look at how beautifully disaplined most other nations schoolchildren are compared to the awful British children, especially in state schools.
It would do the Scots a lot of good, their education srandards are dreadful.
I'd rather stick rusty pins in my eyes than sing the national anthem.
What's yer address Slippy and I'll send you the pins. 
Dulwich Village, London SE21 c/o S.Blue esq and they will find me. Akabula I just could not possibly sing that whatever the forfeit involved.
none of you will be singing the national anthem
you wont have a choice when the swarm take over
you wont have a choice when the swarm take over
When six nations time comes around it is always a reminder of what better national anthems the other countries have compared to us.
I have always liked the french and russian anthems. But I wouldn't sing those either.
I don't think its admirable not to sing the national anthem , not at all.
We could have easily had a republican president Blair at one time. How many would be regrettng that now ?
it was only the tory press that started crying about Jeremiah not sing the anthem
Agh, but thats what we would expect of the type that don't sing the national anthem anxious,strange bods mate.
I am sure (hope!) that this is somewhere else on this thread but surely as an avowed republican, he would have been pilloried by the same press as a hypocrite had he sung it. 
He's quite happy singing "the red flag" which has the lyrics "Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer", I think that line pretty much sums Corbyn up.
To show how absurd our "national" anthem is, our own head of state does not see the the need to sing it.
Does she deem herself to be above the nation?
If she does not sing it, why should anybody else be required to?
Does she deem herself to be above the nation?
If she does not sing it, why should anybody else be required to?
It's a bit like people singing happy birthday to you Wesdaq and you don't join in then do you.
No the queen is the queen and people are singing God Save our Queen.
Which is fine.
But don't you think that the nation should have its own song?
But don't you think that the nation should have its own song?
Gosh - some good stuff on here
Re Her Majesty - she never sings, does she? - the anthem being a tribute to her and her institution.
Re Corbyn singing the Red Flas - I assume that the sung words of the Red Flag dont cause him to compromise his beliefs.
Re Her Majesty - she never sings, does she? - the anthem being a tribute to her and her institution.
Re Corbyn singing the Red Flas - I assume that the sung words of the Red Flag dont cause him to compromise his beliefs.
If North Korea's national anthem was "God Save Our Dear Leader" would anyone think it sensible?
I think it's just a tradition Wesdaq, a part of our past.
i prefer the 1977 version by the pistols god save the queen a fascist regime.
When required to be sworn in as a juror, one is permitted to use a form of words which do not mention an imaginary deity. If people are required to sing the words of the National anthem there should be an alternative form which mentions neither god nor monarch for those who don't subscribe to those ideas,for example
We love our rainy land
It's such a lovely land
We love our land.
There could be a verse for each country of the union in addition to the general chorus.
Anyone like to compose more verses?
We love our rainy land
It's such a lovely land
We love our land.
There could be a verse for each country of the union in addition to the general chorus.
Anyone like to compose more verses?
Every part of society should be catered for as well.
I'll do Somebody save our FOBTs.
I'll do Somebody save our FOBTs.
Good idea. Other things like Betfair exchange are worth including, so long as we don't mention Paddy Power.
https://audioboom.com/boos/3579981-james-o-brien-shuts-down-caller-over-nati...
rob_dylan
16 Sep 15 11:39
I think that many of those that died in WW2 died defending our country and our way of life.
Those that died in Iraq and Afghanistan is a different matter.
utter blox ........... those that survived came back and voted in a completely new government that brought in the NHS and nationalise major industries.
How is that defending our way of life ?
16 Sep 15 11:39
I think that many of those that died in WW2 died defending our country and our way of life.
Those that died in Iraq and Afghanistan is a different matter.
utter blox ........... those that survived came back and voted in a completely new government that brought in the NHS and nationalise major industries.
How is that defending our way of life ?
rob_dylan
I think that many of those that died in WW2 died defending our country and our way of life.
Those that died in Iraq and Afghanistan is a different matter.
That's utter nonsense. Soldiers have no say in what wars they take part in.
Try telling that to a veteran of either of those wars and you'll get the fight you are talking about on another thread.
My money would be on the soldier.
I think that many of those that died in WW2 died defending our country and our way of life.
Those that died in Iraq and Afghanistan is a different matter.
That's utter nonsense. Soldiers have no say in what wars they take part in.
Try telling that to a veteran of either of those wars and you'll get the fight you are talking about on another thread.
My money would be on the soldier.
I actually highlighted the wrong post. i meant to highlight this.
Actually to expand a bit, I don't like all this putting the armed forces up on a pedestal either. Maximum respect going out to the WW2 lot, a proper justified war that and I take my hat off to them. But help for heroes is basically helping people that went to Afghanistan and Iraq. For me the juries out on Afghanistan, but Iraq was a totally unjust war and the people that took part in it in the name of Britain aren't heroes for my money I'm afraid. Sure many of them don't agree with the war themselves but did it simply because it was their job. I don't hate them, sure most of them are good people. But not heroes.
How are they not heroes. They do a job that very few would have the balls to do and many of them paid with their lives.
Actually to expand a bit, I don't like all this putting the armed forces up on a pedestal either. Maximum respect going out to the WW2 lot, a proper justified war that and I take my hat off to them. But help for heroes is basically helping people that went to Afghanistan and Iraq. For me the juries out on Afghanistan, but Iraq was a totally unjust war and the people that took part in it in the name of Britain aren't heroes for my money I'm afraid. Sure many of them don't agree with the war themselves but did it simply because it was their job. I don't hate them, sure most of them are good people. But not heroes.
How are they not heroes. They do a job that very few would have the balls to do and many of them paid with their lives.
BTW we were asked to go to Afghanistan to help the current regime and in Iraq we toppled one of the worst dictators that ever lived.
But as I said that's academic to the soldiers. They have no power over where they go and what wars they fight.
But as I said that's academic to the soldiers. They have no power over where they go and what wars they fight.
My point is that is why I don't put them on a pedestal aka. They are willing to blindly fight whom ever their boss tells them to fight. I'm sure they are brave but when that fight takes us to somewhere like Iraq and there are 100,000 minimum dead on the back of a pack of lies, I don't particularly respect them for taking part. Though Tony Blair and those that voted for him are more to blame.
stone age ragheads?
http://www.businessinsider.com/amazing-pictures-of-peaceful-iraq-2014-6?IR=T
http://www.businessinsider.com/amazing-pictures-of-peaceful-iraq-2014-6?IR=T
Our armed forces exercised plenty of control over these stone-age fk wits while we were still there in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's only when we pulled out that that the stone-age fk wits got organized and took over the weapons we left behind for the Iraqi government.
We had years and years of security in Europe thanks to the decision to send our men and women into the Middle East to control the stone-age fk wits with the only weapon they understand - guns.
We had years and years of security in Europe thanks to the decision to send our men and women into the Middle East to control the stone-age fk wits with the only weapon they understand - guns.
There have always been violent Islamic fundamentalists in Iraq. Rashid Ali's 1941 rebellion, with the support of the Germans and Vichy French, came very close to cutting off Allied oil supplies.
People in N. Korea are being imprisoned tortured and murdered. This has been happening to hundreds of thousands of people, whole familes and generations of people have lived their entire lives in this hell, as brutal and evil a regime as has ever existed...this has been going on for the best part of 50 years as people are born and die in this nightmare...held in place by a brutal and mad dictator.
No price would be too great to free these people.
No price would be too great to free these people.
What about the possibility of all-out nuclear war?
Yes that crossed my mind, I would go as far to say that even that possibality is something that must be faced.
In the final analysis Britain faced the prospect of complete destruction against nazi germany. This is something that could have meant the end of millions of lives., indeed millions did die....if Britain and the US and the rest of the world turn away from Korea then karma is going to destroy us. A coward dies a thousand times before his death.
In the final analysis Britain faced the prospect of complete destruction against nazi germany. This is something that could have meant the end of millions of lives., indeed millions did die....if Britain and the US and the rest of the world turn away from Korea then karma is going to destroy us. A coward dies a thousand times before his death.
Give this Keyboard Warrior a Victoria Cross NOW!
Singing about a Queen and paying for her and her cronies because of a bloodline is pathetic
When required to be sworn in as a juror, one is permitted to use a form of words which do not mention an imaginary deity. If people are required to sing the words of the National anthem there should be an alternative form which mentions neither god nor monarch for those who don't subscribe to those ideas,for example
We love our rainy land
It's such a lovely land
We love our land.
There could be a verse for each country of the union in addition to the general chorus.
Anyone like to compose more verses?
Sturge save us dour Sweaties
Buckfast fi 50p
Jus' need smack and some dodgy E
And Sturge will mek ma deeeeee
We love our rainy land
It's such a lovely land
We love our land.
There could be a verse for each country of the union in addition to the general chorus.
Anyone like to compose more verses?
Sturge save us dour Sweaties
Buckfast fi 50p
Jus' need smack and some dodgy E
And Sturge will mek ma deeeeee
Strictly speaking there is no National Anthem as it has not been made so by Royal Decree or Act of Parliament. It has just been adopted through custom and practice.
GSTQ is a CRAP anthem and must be the world's only anthem which praises a personage and not a country, flag or people.
That apart, monarchies are a total anachronism and only exist because their forebears, back in the mists of time, were the meanest and hardest thieves and robber barons around, who, once they'd eliminated the opposition, called themselves king (or queen). Even if you HAD to have a monarchy, the present mob in Buck house are probably nowhere near "rightful".
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
Denis Diderot.
That apart, monarchies are a total anachronism and only exist because their forebears, back in the mists of time, were the meanest and hardest thieves and robber barons around, who, once they'd eliminated the opposition, called themselves king (or queen). Even if you HAD to have a monarchy, the present mob in Buck house are probably nowhere near "rightful".
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
Denis Diderot.
And yet 250 years later the only places where people actually enjoy any sort of freedom are the ones with kings and priests.
And yet 250 years later the only places where people actually enjoy any sort of freedom are the ones with kings and priests.
That lets the UK out then, no king.
That lets the UK out then, no king.
I didn't say places with royalty or religion are free. I said places without royalty or religion are never free.
Chuck out the head of state, crack down on the priests, replace them with elected representatives and, hey presto, you have North Korea.
Chuck out the head of state, crack down on the priests, replace them with elected representatives and, hey presto, you have North Korea.
Oh I see, keeping our dear parasite is what stops us from becoming North Korea.
What a depressing thread,its easy now to see why ye are going to lose your country,none of ye have the will to defend it.
Your forefathers created this and ye have a duty to preserve it and hand it on to your own children but ye appear so feckless it can't survive.
Your forefathers created this and ye have a duty to preserve it and hand it on to your own children but ye appear so feckless it can't survive.
GSTQ
Wesdaq still living in ignorance. The Queen only retains about 10% of her income and donates the rest to the treasury.
In effect HM pays for herself. Now you claiming your benefits could be considered a parasite.
Wesdaq still living in ignorance. The Queen only retains about 10% of her income and donates the rest to the treasury.
In effect HM pays for herself. Now you claiming your benefits could be considered a parasite.
The country that defended Europe 70 odd years ago no longer as the will to defend itself.
akaPoor thing only keeps 10%.
It's a foundation built on sand wildman.
When she goes, the game's up.
Latest opinion polls show over 70% of the country are in favour of the monarchy.
Here to stay and long to reign over us. GSTQ.
Here to stay and long to reign over us. GSTQ.
You should support the monarchy it is a part of our heritage. Makes you proud to be British.
rogerthebutler
16 Sep 15 14:49
FKS SAKE no one cares!
Not one of the bunch of tw@ts that comprise our National Football side sings the bloody, bleeding, effing National Anthem before a game bar John Terry and he's tone deaf! Rooney can't remember the words, Hart's busy messing with his hair and when Lampard tried he blew pie crumbs all over his shirt.
If they can't be @rsed nor should we.
Jesus, if we're putting up John Terry, Wayne Rooney, Hart and Lampard as shining examples that we should emulate then we are utterly fecked.
(I haven't just replied to my own post by the way).
16 Sep 15 14:49
FKS SAKE no one cares!
Not one of the bunch of tw@ts that comprise our National Football side sings the bloody, bleeding, effing National Anthem before a game bar John Terry and he's tone deaf! Rooney can't remember the words, Hart's busy messing with his hair and when Lampard tried he blew pie crumbs all over his shirt.
If they can't be @rsed nor should we.
Jesus, if we're putting up John Terry, Wayne Rooney, Hart and Lampard as shining examples that we should emulate then we are utterly fecked.
(I haven't just replied to my own post by the way).
I think some people aren't so fond of Charles as he's had a lot of media grief and has been his own worst enemy, but they like Bill and Harry. They had an excellent adventure or something?
When William gets coronated, watch for Lampard appearing with a crown on for the photos
When William gets coronated, watch for Lampard appearing with a crown on for the photos
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvouc8Qs_MI
I Vow to thee my Country. Stirring stuff.
I Vow to thee my Country. Stirring stuff.
Yes, love it Aka. First heard Holst's The planets Suite when I was 11 and never tire of it. Good choice.
Latest opinion polls show over 70% of the country are in favour of the monarchy.
30% still holding out despite, monarchist onslaught from media, not bad imo
30% still holding out despite, monarchist onslaught from media, not bad imo
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