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olddesperado
14 Jul 15 16:51
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A Norwegian man was given a 7 year suspended sentence for having sex with his sleeping girlfriend over here in Ireland.
From what I gather she wasn't aware of it until he said it to her afterwards.

He pleased guilty in court.

Rape groups and womens rights group are going mad over the leniency of the sentence.

I can't help feeling sorry for him tbh,

When I was younger I had plenty in the middle of the night when I was asleep/half asleep and im sure the mrs the same.

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Report olddesperado July 14, 2015 4:52 PM BST
pleaded
Report barstool July 14, 2015 4:54 PM BST
Feel sorry for the guy. If he had a decent todger he would have woken her up.
Report G1_Jockey_4 July 14, 2015 5:22 PM BST
she couldnt have liked him to have reported him....

defo rape though..
Report i_agree_with_nick July 14, 2015 5:27 PM BST
The law says it's rape and he pleaded guilty.

Based on sentences handed out for similar offences, he was lucky not to go to prison.

As G1 says, she reported him. Could be more to this than meets the eye.
Report sofiakenny July 14, 2015 5:30 PM BST
most ladies I have  shared a bed with fell asleep during sex.Sad
Report G1_Jockey_4 July 14, 2015 5:43 PM BST
maybe he left the toilet seat up that morning....
Report Make my hay July 14, 2015 6:32 PM BST
Should have just spaffed on her chebs.
Report boxingthefox July 14, 2015 6:35 PM BST
sofiakenny, not just me then. LaughLaughLaugh
Report Facts July 15, 2015 1:02 AM BST
A man in his 20s who repeatedly raped his girlfriend while she slept has avoided jail time, after being given a seven year suspended sentence.

Magnuse Meyer Hustveit, a Norwegian national had pleaded guilty to sexual assault between October of 2011 and April of 2012 in a Dublin apartment.

'.........Magnus Meyer Hustveit had been having sex with the victim as she slept for almost a year before she woke to being assaulted one night in 2012.
The 25 year old Norwegian man later emailed the victim and admitted to sexually assaulting her regularly, telling her that he had used her body for his own  short term gratification and convinced himself that it was a victimless crime.
In a victim impact statment, the woman who waived her anonymity so that Mr Hustveit could be named, that memory loss, anxiety, anger and panic had become prevalent emotions and a bed was no longer a place of rest for her.
Judge Patrick McCarthy said that there was no precedent for this case, and he had to take in to acccount that prosecution wouldn’t have been possible without Mr Hustveit’s admission and that he was required to reduce the sentence of a foreign national.
He ordered Magnus Meyer Hustveit be placed on the sex offenders register and suspended the seven year sentence....'.
Report ebulGery July 15, 2015 1:08 AM BST
I don't think is possible....if someone had had sexual intercourse with her while she was asleep

I think she would notice either during or when she woke up

I do not believe this rubbish
Report ebulGery July 15, 2015 1:10 AM BST
Also if the women objected to sex with him

why on earth was she sleeping in the same bed with him, this is total rubbish
Report Facts July 15, 2015 1:19 AM BST
I agree It does seem very odd. But the law appears to be very clear on the matter. If a man has sexual intercourse with a woman ( girlfriend/partner /wife)' whilst they are asleep. It is rape. As no consent was given. Even if they have sex regularly, even if they had had sex earlier in the evening. If she's asleep, she is unable to give consent.therefore it's rape.
Report ebulGery July 15, 2015 1:22 AM BST
That is not an unfair definition, but I am not happy with this????????

I see too many men being downed by the lies of women.
Report ebulGery July 15, 2015 1:23 AM BST
She must have been a very heavy sleeper!
Report PatraTheCat July 15, 2015 1:29 AM BST
'.........Magnus Meyer Hustveit had been having sex with the victim as she slept for almost a year before she woke to being assaulted one night in 2012.
The 25 year old Norwegian man later emailed the victim and admitted to sexually assaulting her regularly, telling her that he had used her body for his own  short term gratification and convinced himself that it was a victimless crime.

Ebul - the guy admitted it. I know it's very hard to work out how it happened, but he admitted it.
Report irishone July 15, 2015 8:08 AM BST
Happened beween me and my missus once
She woke up in the morning and said "What happened to YOU in the middle of  the night ?"
I didn't realise what had happened , she obviously enjoyed it but all I remembered was dreaming about Kylie
Report danniellasmincepies July 15, 2015 8:29 AM BST
Anyone done the 'ring of Kerry'
Report olddesperado July 15, 2015 8:54 AM BST
Katona ?
Report ebulGery July 15, 2015 9:20 AM BST
Ebul - the guy admitted it. I know it's very hard to work out how it happened, but he admitted it.
then he was a very silly man

I find this woman's story almost impossible to believe
also the claimed effect on here...I do not believe that either, or she has always been like this

and as for using her body for short term gratification....well that is what sex is, it is the definition of sex
Report Money Tree cost me thousands!! July 15, 2015 9:51 AM BST
If he had not of admitted it then she would not even know.
Report Aunty Post July 15, 2015 10:02 AM BST
Totally ridiculous imo!

She must have been hammered not to wake up, and assuming that they had plenty, when she was awake, wouldn't that give
a kind of assumption that it was ok?

Does a man have to receive consent before any action?

What if a woman denied there was consent?

Should a man have to keep a log with signed acceptance before any nooky?
Report Facts July 15, 2015 10:42 AM BST
Are we seriously still asking this question?
Posted on December 29, 2010 by Jill

'.......Over at the New York Times, Katrin Benhold is asking “is it rape?” if you have sex with a woman while she’s sleeping. Really, though? This is confusing for people? Yes, if you penetrate someone while they’re asleep and they therefore could not possibly have consented to being penetrated, that is rape. I’m pretty sure that if I were having a sleep-over with a dude and he woke up to find that I had stuck a dildo in him, there wouldn’t be much question as to whether or not that was an assault — even if he had consented to having sex with me the night before.


As Lindsay says, unconscious people can’t consent to anything. Think of it like this: Your partner might have consented to your feeding him chocolate cake for dessert. It doesn’t mean you can shove it down his throat while he’s sleeping. In fact, if he woke up to you shoving chocolate cake down his throat while he was sleeping, he would probably be very upset, because that **** does not feel good when you aren’t ready for it, even if you usually really like chocolate cake. And I think we would all agree that someone who forcefully shoves cake down the throat of a sleeping person is beyond terrible and also a dangerous person, and that reporting such a person doesn’t “cheapen” any other accusations of attempted smothering or asphyxiation.

So, yes: Putting a penis (or a finger or whatever else) into an unconscious person is rape. Next up, the New York Times tackles the tough question of whether it’s really assault to punch someone in the face if they let you touch their cheek the day before.......'
Report lfc1971 July 15, 2015 11:11 AM BST
^^^ if she is going to make her point then she should do so honestly and not make false comparisons, why did she not say if a man woke up and found his girlfriend having sex with him....getting tired of the dishonesty...not saying her conclusion is wrong but it can be discounted because of  the way she twists the story subtly.
Report wallis July 15, 2015 11:36 AM BST
You would think that if the court/judge truly believed that this woman somehow never noticed what was happening over the course of 6 months then he would have had a jail sentence.
Report Shrewd_dude July 15, 2015 1:30 PM BST
Man admits raping a woman and the woman is a liar? Classic chitchat.
Report ebulGery July 15, 2015 1:47 PM BST
you are classic chit chat you believe everything people you told

I do not think it is possible for a woman to have sex with a man for a year and not notice

my objection is this is physically impossible

I think this women is a worthless liar

utter garbage of no benefit to society
Report kenny mann July 15, 2015 1:51 PM BST
I'm going to sleep. Pull my nightie back up when you've finished was  a very common expression back in the day.
Report BARROWBOY July 15, 2015 1:55 PM BST
how long you been wearing nighties,kenny?
Report kenny mann July 15, 2015 2:02 PM BST
I'll treat that with the contempt it deserves. Wink
Report kenny mann July 15, 2015 2:05 PM BST
Are you a fruit and veg man or a Barrow fan?
Report jamesdean July 15, 2015 3:06 PM BST
Ebulgery, I think you are utter garbage and worthless to society.
Report Facts July 15, 2015 3:08 PM BST
^ blimey !
Report jamesdean July 15, 2015 3:13 PM BST
No wonder Facts. What part of this does the imbecile not understand?

The 25 year old Norwegian man later emailed the victim and admitted to sexually assaulting her regularly, telling her that he had used her body for his own  short term gratification and convinced himself that it was a victimless crime.


There will be no more from me on this thread. I don't even want to argue with vermin.
Report ThommosBucket July 15, 2015 3:22 PM BST
I don't agree with Ebulgery - "I think this women is a worthless liar

utter garbage of no benefit to society" - but do struggle to comprehend how you can have sex - repeatedly - with someone who claims to not realise it has ever taken place?

Errol Flynn would be turning in his grave!
Report Facts July 15, 2015 4:18 PM BST
Er ...because she was asleep. Seemingly, she didn't wake up,during the act. Therefore  how would she realise ?
Report Shrewd_dude July 15, 2015 4:35 PM BST
Ebulgerry you are quite clearly very sick in the head. To call a victim of rape a liar and garbage when the rapist has sent an email to her confessing his guilt and thereafter pled guilty at court accepting his guilt beggars belief.
Report Make my hay July 15, 2015 4:40 PM BST
Maybe he was asleep as well and dreamt he was having sex with her when she was asleep, then woke up and thought it had really  happened.
This is why she did not realise it had ever taken place, because it hadn't. I'll be his lawyer.
Report lfc1971 July 15, 2015 4:43 PM BST
ebulgerry is an interesting and intelligent poster, I doubt he will worry about the mock outrage to his views...he is merely pointing to some strange aspects of this case.
Report Shrewd_dude July 15, 2015 5:00 PM BST
Laugh
Report artie July 15, 2015 7:05 PM BST
"The 25 year old Norwegian man later emailed the victim and admitted to sexually assaulting her regularly, telling her that he had used her body for his own  short term gratification " What an idiot.
Report Facts July 15, 2015 7:09 PM BST
^ that's one for the Judge !
Report History Maker July 15, 2015 7:26 PM BST
I've been 'tossed off' by at least two ex-girlfriends when I was effectively unconscious.

Also, with one crazy girl I went out with, we frequently slept together with no memory of it whatsoever the next day. Only conversation about it was whether she needed to get the morning after pill.
Report bigmo July 15, 2015 9:07 PM BST
It's rape in my opinion and he's a sad b'stard not living in the real world.
Report History Maker July 15, 2015 9:20 PM BST
Yeah, I never have a fiddle, unless I'm 100% sure. Just the way it is.
Report Roger The Butler July 16, 2015 12:37 AM BST
PatraTheCat   
15 Jul 15 01:29 
'.........Magnus Meyer Hustveit had been having sex with the victim as she slept for almost a year


She slept for almost a year? Makes Rip Van Winkle look like an insomniac. I'm surprised she could even remember him when she woke up.
Report ebulGery July 16, 2015 11:06 PM BST
I will come back for one last reply...yes I expected the reaction I got

My point was I think if he had penetrative sex with him she would have noticed...she would woken up, the same with oral sex.
She may pretended to be asleep because she enjoyed it more that way

If he just rubbed himself up against her for sexual gratification that is not rape.
Also if a women is a man's girlfriend and in bed with him, then that must be for sex.
If a woman does not want sex she sleeps in her own bed, which is inviolate. That is her responsibility.

I am against rape, but only real rape, the sort when men jump out of the bushes and violently rapes a women, etc.
But not the pretend rape we have now, if a women is in bed with a man or agrees to sex ..she is up for it.

If a man punished and effectively has his life destroyed by this, I will condemn the offending female as worthless,
as I think she is.


I notice in this case the women has waived her right to anonymity, I bet she has. She is thinking of all the money she will make
from selling her story, particularly to women's magazines, where she probably got this from.

As for the man admitting it, I am sure what he admitted to, he admitted to sex ok, but I do not think this was rape

That is my opinion and I am happy to stand by it.

Yet again I try to defend us men...but will no doubt be damned for it by men??........oh well
Report doantwin2easy July 16, 2015 11:21 PM BST
She is thinking of all the money she will make
from selling her story, particularly to women's magazines


"Hello" will probably buy it but I'm not sure about "ok"
Report Capt__F July 16, 2015 11:26 PM BST
Grazi ?
Report irishone July 17, 2015 1:27 AM BST
Every man knows when to stop
If he doesn't he is a criminal
Report ebulGery July 17, 2015 1:48 AM BST
Well that may be Irish

But I still feel women must take some responsibility here.
If women claim equality, then they must take some responsibility for their own actions, not just say I am just a helpless female,
and blame it all on men.

At the moment they appear to both want their cake and eat it. I feel men are rather stupid in allowing women this.
Men need to wise up a little, or there are going to be a great many miscarriages of justice
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y July 17, 2015 10:24 AM BST
B/G I presume you don't have kids? Thank god for that is all I will say.

This man raped her while she was asleep on medication (hence why she did not wake up), he admitted he raped her and our facked up justice system that'll lock you up for getting into a scrap in town on a Saturday night or not paying your tv license decides because he admitted it and confirmed the poor women's thoughts that he does not deserve to serve prison time, the facking judge should be locked up for making that decision.

Anybody who is defending him is a sicko who needs serious help.
Report lfc1971 July 17, 2015 11:21 AM BST
On medication, curious to know what and would it affect sleep, was she eg unable to hear her alarm clock in the morning?
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip July 17, 2015 11:32 AM BST
Dont know the ins and outs of the case but can see the argument for a middle ground in the law where something is neither moral or criminal. Some people are creeps and should be slapped, dumped, maybe have someones dad threaten them. That doesnt necessarily mean an expensive trial is required to deliver justice. I dont completely understand the necessity for this particular law to divide between everything on one side being wholesome acceptable behaviour and then everything on the other side being sick violent criminal behaviour that needs someone locking up.
Report Shrewd_dude July 17, 2015 12:55 PM BST
My point was I think if he had penetrative sex with him she would have noticed...she would woken up, the same with oral sex.
She may pretended to be asleep because she enjoyed it more that way


The guy who was there at the time, says she was sleeping and that he had pentrative sex with her whilst she slept, but sitting at his computer the forum beast as usual presumes he knows more than the person who was actually there having sex with her.

if a women is in bed with a man or agrees to sex

You're a sick ****. So when a woman tells a man they don't want to have sex with them that's not enough she has to actively go and lock herself in another room otherwise she's agreed that he can violate her when she is sleeping?
Report G1_Jockey_4 July 17, 2015 1:06 PM BST
calling someone a forum beast........think you need to seek help
Report trader pj July 17, 2015 1:07 PM BST
all of this analysis has to be re analysed with the fact in mind that this woman was Irish ahahhahahaahahaa
Report Shrewd_dude July 17, 2015 1:22 PM BST
Perfectly appropriate G1 given his views on rape and his previous views expressed on kiddy porn.
Report spellingandgrammarchecker July 17, 2015 1:36 PM BST
Pleasegivemeanailedontip   
17 Jul 15 11:32 
Dont know the ins and outs


Laugh
Report jamesdean July 17, 2015 2:10 PM BST
Shrewd dude, the cretin is obviously an attention seeker looking for a reaction to feed his lack of attention in normal life outside of the forum. Internet Troll I think is the term. Best thing to do is starve him of the attention he craves and just simply ignore him.
Report PatraTheCat July 17, 2015 2:53 PM BST
Ebul certainly isn't a troll, but I think he would do well to admit that in this instance he was wrong. The thing is that in many ways he has a point regarding women seeming to want their cake and eat it nowadays, but by stooping so low as to say that he thinks this woman was lying even though the man confessed to it, all he'll do is reduce the validity of any points he makes in the future.

I mean, if you can't sell a mysogynistic argument on Chit Chat, there's probably something wrong with your argument!
Report ebulGery July 17, 2015 3:29 PM BST
B/G I presume you don't have kids? Thank god for that is all I will say.

The woman is 28 years old...she is not a kid!

Her alleged rapist is 25 years old..3 years younger.

We were invited to give our opinions on this thread, I gave mine

Mine is I think she is lying, why do you have a problem with that?

I may be right I may be wrong, make up your own mind
Report akabula July 17, 2015 3:38 PM BST
Surely nobody could sleep through sex.
I would have thought she must become aware of it at some time unless she was full of dope or drink.
Report Facts July 17, 2015 3:39 PM BST
To say she lying is one thing. To state that all women are up for it just because they happen to be in bed with a man , is utter stupidity.
Report jamesdean July 17, 2015 3:46 PM BST
To get the best reaction or attention, one has to be most controversial.
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y July 17, 2015 3:56 PM BST
You think she is not telling the truth B/G??

It was the rapist who said he raped her, is that hard to comprehend? He admitted raping her as in his own words he wanted to ****.
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y July 17, 2015 3:58 PM BST
c u m
Report lfc1971 July 17, 2015 4:05 PM BST
He admitted to doing something wrong, his use of porn had something to do with this case...however I am not sure he admitted to rape and I am not sure the woman was clear in her own mind that it was rape, otherwise why did she stay with him after the first time....he did something wrong and his use of porn possibly in bed as she was beside him was pertly to blame.
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y July 17, 2015 4:07 PM BST
He admitted he put his penis inside her vagina without her consent. That my ignorant friends is rape, is that simple enough for ya?
Report lfc1971 July 17, 2015 4:09 PM BST
people can be led into admitting something by manipulation that they do not really believe....it was something in a e-mail while he was in Norway that he said..its not straightforward innocent people confess to things.
Report lfc1971 July 17, 2015 4:10 PM BST
I would like to se what was actually said in the e-mail.
Report tips July 17, 2015 4:15 PM BST
a very important part ye are all missing is she was on a lot of medicine at the time which made her very tired and sleepy
Report lfc1971 July 17, 2015 4:16 PM BST
what was the medication, it would be important to know.
Report lfc1971 July 17, 2015 4:21 PM BST
The fact that it was necessary to mention that she was on medication raises questions in itself.
Report lfc1971 July 17, 2015 4:24 PM BST
Where there doubts in the minds of her own lawyers that meant this had to be said?
Report ebulGery July 17, 2015 10:58 PM BST
I will have one last try

What has happened? a boyfriend has had sex with his girlfriend, she is his girlfriend,

because she wants that

Ok he has been a bit naughty and poked his dingle in perhaps not at the right time, but what harm has been done?????

I do not think he could have doing this for a year and her not notice as she claimed, she would have noticed it next morning

surely, if not during. So why did she not bring it up at the time. Sleep in another bed, another room.

If we went back to the 1950's I am sure a woman would have accepted this  as normal, she would have slapped her husband's wrist

he would have stopped.

The fuss this woman is kicking up is ridiculous.

He has been punished, what do people want, hanging, drawing and quartering

He is 3 years younger than her, he looks quite a nice bloke, I admit he has been naughty but that is all

ps

apologies for my opening couple of posts, well I had just backed a couple of losers, I was a bit niggly.

But I still think I am basically right.

The vindictiveness  of our modern society really sickens me and gets me down at times, so I admit I sometimes reply in kind.
Report spellingandgrammarchecker July 17, 2015 11:07 PM BST
ebul

are you short, ugly, and don't get a shag too often?
Report Facts July 17, 2015 11:25 PM BST
ebulGery


The excuses / reasoning you are using in your argument are worthless. You appear to be condoning rape.

You come across as a mysogonist who believe women are there to be treated  as second class citizens,  And be the 'plaything ' of  men as and when they see fit - and be grateful for the attention.

If they have a problem, then a pat on the shoulder and a ' don't you worry your pretty little head about it ' is all that is required. After all if the man is her boyfriend or husband, then he has ' rights' and after all she belongs to him. He owns her.

You belong in the dark ages.
Report ebulGery July 18, 2015 12:41 AM BST
spellingandgrammarchecker  • July 17, 2015 11:07 PM BST 


ebul


are you short, ugly, and don't get a shag too often?


How did you know that grammerShockedSad

After all if the man is her boyfriend or husband, then he has ' rights' and after all she belongs to him. He owns her.

I totally agree with that FactsHappy

Anyway I will stop digging, I should never have started on this thread

Although I have legitimate concerns about how rape is now being defined now,
and I rarely women who say they have raped or abused now...there just too many lies being told
Report ebulGery July 18, 2015 12:41 AM BST
beleive
Report Eeternaloptimist July 18, 2015 12:50 AM BST
I am against rape, but only real rape, the sort when men jump out of the bushes

One shouldn't seek to bring levity to such a thread but this is an opportunity which shouldn't be missed. I can imagine the Defence Barrister peering over his glasses and asking earnestly, " and can you confirm for the jury that there were categorically no bushes in the immediate vicinity as you sprang out cocck in hand?"

Being charitable ebul you have a somewhat antiquated view of the law of rape. Yes it is true that at one time a man couldn't rape his wife but you need to at least seek to move into the 20th century. We can drag you further in time perhaps.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 18, 2015 12:52 AM BST
One thing I will concede is that they have made a bit of a dogs dinner of the issue of consent.
Report Facts July 18, 2015 7:19 AM BST
How have ' they ' ?
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y July 18, 2015 7:52 AM BST
will have one last try

What has happened? a boyfriend has had sex with his girlfriend, she is his girlfriend,

because she wants that

Ok he has been a bit naughty and poked his dingle in perhaps not at the right time, but what harm has been done?????

I do not think he could have doing this for a year and her not notice as she claimed, she would have noticed it next morning

surely, if not during. So why did she not bring it up at the time. Sleep in another bed, another room.

If we went back to the 1950's I am sure a woman would have accepted this  as normal, she would have slapped her husband's wrist

he would have stopped.

The fuss this woman is kicking up is ridiculous.

He has been punished, what do people want, hanging, drawing and quartering

He is 3 years younger than her, he looks quite a nice bloke, I admit he has been naughty but that is all

ps

apologies for my opening couple of posts, well I had just backed a couple of losers, I was a bit niggly.

But I still think I am basically right.

The vindictiveness  of our modern society really sickens me and gets me down at times, so I admit I sometimes reply in kind.




I am not going to apologise for my post, you are a fkin animal and the sooner the better your likes depart us the better the world will be.
Report G1_Jockey_4 July 18, 2015 12:27 PM BST
people like to label rapists in the same group....monsters.

think thi chap is a monster and ched evans isnt.
simples
Report Facts July 18, 2015 2:06 PM BST
Hardly
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