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Greece - what will (should) happen - and a salutary lesson for us all- and a trading tip
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ebul,
ask yourself why the Greeks had to borrow so much in the first place? (Here's a clue - they're not very keen on paying tax). |
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rather be it that reason than getting into debt because of a war effort whilst crippling countries you have invaded.....then managing to get your debts wiped!!!
then insisting one of those countries you invaded pay up while not adequately compensation them for wrecking their country. marvellous come back from the gerries..... they need to be reminded they are the sc um of the earth. |
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The Greeks are brilliant at blaming everybody else for their corrupt state.
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..yes wesdaq....to an extent.....
...but the Eurocrats are equally adept at blaming the Greeks for the consequences of their misguided and economically illiterate political vanity project...the Euro. |
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the greeks are at fault they know it but the germans have also shown great they are when it comes to hypocrisy.
they had their debts wiped......... |
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Wesdag Joined: 05 Aug 09
Replies: 8311 12 Jul 15 15:59 The blame should be laid at the door of the creators of the Euro and the decision to allow such a basket case as Greece to join it. ........ I don't disagree with you egner. |
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Completely different circumstances G1.
The Greek government PR machine has no shame. |
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So let's see, we'll wipe Greece's debt, then Spain's, then Portugal's, then Italy's, then Ireland's...ad infinitum...
Seems a sound scheme. |
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Greece who are basically owned by Germany now should be privatised and sold off to pay its creditors.
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Ultimately Greece will have to do a deal - it's that or they turn into Zimbabwe
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Wesdag • July 12, 2015 5:49 PM BST
ebul, ask yourself why the Greeks had to borrow so much in the first place? (Here's a clue - they're not very keen on paying tax). then they suffer, which they are but to try and blame Greece for the problems of the Credit Crunch and other countries is complete Hypocrisy, Greece and nobody else exits just to make the rich richer sorry, they can do that themselves The Hypocrocisy of this has turned me into a Communist, despite its rather poor record The rich want to make me throw up....because everything with them is me,me,me And I repeat the EU and Banks gave them money, nobody twisted their arm, hoisted by their own petard I feel I think Greece will have to do a deal in the end, everybody needs money |
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ebul,
communism might look appealing in theory, but in reality, you get the same corruption but with food shortages. |
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but to try and blame Greece for the problems of the Credit Crunch and other countries
That's why Greece is in this problem, the cheap money which they relied upon dried up. A country spending more than it could earn and living on borrowed money. |
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there is no food shortage in China
I think are wrong Wesdag, the problem of our world were caused by the Credit, Crunch which was greed and corruption by our financial institutions, like all Tories you are trying to re write History and pretend it did not happen. Because the Banks and Financial Institutions are rich, and the Tories think all rich people are good, everything must be blamed on the poor. They are the ones who suffer in our society not the rich. We have successfully managed it in our society we are now extending this to the world. But some of have memories we know the truth. If I walk into a Bank and ask for a million pound loan, and I was given it, they would not see me again, but I would regard this as the bank's fault not mine because they would not have done their job in protecting their investors money. I accept Greece has to suffer for it's own overspending. But who was stupid enough to give them the money in the first place? As I say without the Credit Crunch I don't think Greece would have a problem |
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They would have Ebul it would just have taken longer to surface.
China suffering a downturn in it's economy btw. |
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China has a pure capitalist economy, the only communist bit it is a one party state..
This has advantages and disadvantages(it is all too easy for Tyrants to gain power)...but I still believe because what other hope is there for the world I do not believe in our extreme survival of the fittest capitalism, it is creating misery and inequality I do not believe extreme religion is going to help us It is the only thing left. It was not the total failure people think it was, a lot of that was propaganda I believe in fairness and a better life for everybody on this planet, otherwise what is the point of anything Mind you I accept we all have to make a bit on the side  , just keep it reasonable. |
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The Eurozone thought that everyone could have a Northern European standard of living on credit and noone would ever call in the debt. Wrong.
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The EU has had many faults, I blame it more than Greece.
The EU was ok to start with, but unrestricted movement of labour is questionable, It also expanded far too quickly. We have taken on far too many countries in too short a time |
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I don't think we saw how much the EU was set up for Germany. We were too gullible.
I still believe we must stay in, and try to get some agreement on immigration. I also trust EU justice, far more than our own, |
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ebulGery • July 12, 2015 9:49 PM BST
I also trust EU justice, far more than our own, Can you give a few examples to back up your argument. To my mind the ECoHR has hindered this country, not aided it. |
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Lifetime punishments...that contravenes human rights
Treatmebt of sex contravenes human rights....one a person has served their punishment that is it one does not confine them to this country for life..a contravention of human rights Taking the vote away from those punishment,..a contravention of human rights I am sure I could carry on |
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It might be a contravention of human rights as dictated by the ECoHR but that doesn't make it right.
The Moors murderers would have been given a release date. Are you saying that's right? If you are going on about the sex offenders register I can't see anything wrong with that. Not sure what you mean about confine them to this country for life though. Maybe you could expand. If someone commits a crime and is jailed for it they deserve to lose some of their rights and I'd suggest the vote is one. On the other hand look at the people we have struggled to deport because of so called human rights. Hate preachers, rapists and murderers. |
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The moors murders is a difficult one
The sex offenders register is totally wrong, you see it is making the assumption that if someone commits a crime they will repeat it.. if people are on it they cannot leave this country, so that is punishment for life Of course sex offenders must be punished, but we do need to stop the punishment at some point otherwise we will end up imprisoning people for life for a speeding offence Also the punishment of imprisonment is imprisonment not loss of a vote. Nowadays we seem to believe justice is all about revenge, vindictiveness, not justice Just because someone commits a crime does not mean you punish them forever I am opposed to this |
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So if you had your own company you'd gladly hire murderers, rapists and paedophiles who had served their sentences?
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Yes
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paedophiles are the difficult one
Murderers and rapists I would not be so hard one, although I hardly approve of this although it would depend on the severity of the offence, so I would not employ all I would not give a blank check, to anyone, but I would try to be fair |
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ebulGery • July 13, 2015 12:26 AM BST
The moors murders is a difficult one How? Surely you are not trying to say they should ever have been considered for release? The sex offenders register is totally wrong, you see it is making the assumption that if someone commits a crime they will repeat it.. They normally do and they are put on the register for that reason. if people are on it they cannot leave this country, so that is punishment for life No not for life, just for the length of time they are on the register. Of course sex offenders must be punished, but we do need to stop the punishment at some point See above. otherwise we will end up imprisoning people for life for a speeding offence Never happened so don't be stupid. Also the punishment of imprisonment is imprisonment not loss of a vote. It should be. Nowadays we seem to believe justice is all about revenge, vindictiveness, not justice It's about punishment and rehab. Just because someone commits a crime does not mean you punish them forev We don't other than in the most extreme cases ie the Moors Murderers. |
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13 Jul 15 00:30 So if you had your own company you'd gladly hire murderers, rapists and paedophiles who had served their sentences? ebulGery 13 Jul 15 00:30 Yes You'd hire these people because they are ex-prisoners and deserve a chance? How much do you think they learned in prison in at least 10 years to be an asset to your company? When Jobcentres have non-criminals on their books who aren't working. |
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eh, a difficult one on what respect. She was crying for her mummy and they are recording it.
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spelling, they taped it, every last detail
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They normally do and they are put on the register for that reason.
do you have any figures that sweeping statement???? I said it was difficult because in their case I would probably not let them or him out Very very few sex offenders do something that bad....if you look at the other end of the scale, in my opinion, a life sentence, which is what being on the sex offenders register, is very harsh My motive on this thread is to speak up for justice as I see it, particularly justice for men in our society But modern men resist that, not much more I can say, one cannot defend people from themselves? |