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Liverpool C.C. should follow the example of American that has recently banished the confederate flag due to its connotations to slavery.
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First stop Penny Lane.....
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Penny Lane was road to slavery
BY The Associated Press
Sunday, March 18, 2007, 4:00 AM
LIVERPOOL, England - Beatles lovers who seek out Penny Lane imagine it as that magical place "in my ears and in my eyes, there beneath the blue suburban skies." But it has a sinister undertone that still reverberates.
The street in Liverpool, hometown of the Fab Four, is named after James Penny, a slave trader and investor in 11 voyages that took 500 to 600 captives at a time to the New World.
Penny was among the many who enriched themselves and their city on human trafficking until the slave trade was abolished 200 years ago. Their ships carried millions of human beings from West Africa to the plantations of the Americas in a triangular trade that also brought profitable cargoes of sugar, tobacco and rum to England.
Liverpool's rise, says British historian Ray Costello, is summed up in a carving on a local bank facade: two black children supporting Liverpool as Neptune.
"What it really means is that this bank was founded on the slave trade," Costello said.
That revelation resonates all the more with the approach of the March 25 anniversary of the British parliamentary act that abolished the slave trade in Britain's colonies 200 years ago - though not slavery itself.
Liverpool's past has not gone unacknowledged.
The city council formally apologized in 1999, expressing "shame and remorse for the city's role in this trade in human misery."
And it has commissioned statues titled "Reconciliation," two abstract bronze figures embracing, which will be dedicated this year in Richmond, Va., and Benin, a West African port of call for Liverpool's slave ships.
On Aug. 23, the anniversary of the slave uprising in French-ruled Haiti in 1791, Liverpool will also open the International Slavery Museum.
Liverpool council member Barbara Mace last year proposed renaming streets associated with slavery, and was surprised to learn that Penny Lane was among them. After a lively controversy the proposal was withdrawn.
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First stop Penny Lane.....
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Penny Lane was road to slavery
BY The Associated Press
Sunday, March 18, 2007, 4:00 AM
LIVERPOOL, England - Beatles lovers who seek out Penny Lane imagine it as that magical place "in my ears and in my eyes, there beneath the blue suburban skies." But it has a sinister undertone that still reverberates.
The street in Liverpool, hometown of the Fab Four, is named after James Penny, a slave trader and investor in 11 voyages that took 500 to 600 captives at a time to the New World.
Penny was among the many who enriched themselves and their city on human trafficking until the slave trade was abolished 200 years ago. Their ships carried millions of human beings from West Africa to the plantations of the Americas in a triangular trade that also brought profitable cargoes of sugar, tobacco and rum to England.
Liverpool's rise, says British historian Ray Costello, is summed up in a carving on a local bank facade: two black children supporting Liverpool as Neptune.
"What it really means is that this bank was founded on the slave trade," Costello said.
That revelation resonates all the more with the approach of the March 25 anniversary of the British parliamentary act that abolished the slave trade in Britain's colonies 200 years ago - though not slavery itself.
Liverpool's past has not gone unacknowledged.
The city council formally apologized in 1999, expressing "shame and remorse for the city's role in this trade in human misery."
And it has commissioned statues titled "Reconciliation," two abstract bronze figures embracing, which will be dedicated this year in Richmond, Va., and Benin, a West African port of call for Liverpool's slave ships.
On Aug. 23, the anniversary of the slave uprising in French-ruled Haiti in 1791, Liverpool will also open the International Slavery Museum.
Liverpool council member Barbara Mace last year proposed renaming streets associated with slavery, and was surprised to learn that Penny Lane was among them. After a lively controversy the proposal was withdrawn.
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Livepool, spiritual home of the militant tendency and the likes of Hatton and Len McCluskey: tw8ts who dream up things like that.
How about they propose Cilla Black be forcibly renamed to say "Cilla Huggy-Marx-Rainbows"?
Her name must offend SOMEONE?
How about they propose Cilla Black be forcibly renamed to say "Cilla Huggy-Marx-Rainbows"?
Her name must offend SOMEONE?
On behalf of the people of Merseyside I would like to take this opportunity to formally apologise for Cilla Black.
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Liverpool C.C. should follow the example of American that has recently banished the confederate flag due to its connotations to slavery.
I think America needs to be careful here, its only been in the last 50 years that normalisation between the North and the South as really taken place. Go back 50s and 60s and large swathes of southerners still hated the North. Even to this day all is still not forgiven, do they really want to risk starting a paramilitary style backlash?
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Liverpool C.C. should follow the example of American that has recently banished the confederate flag due to its connotations to slavery.
I think America needs to be careful here, its only been in the last 50 years that normalisation between the North and the South as really taken place. Go back 50s and 60s and large swathes of southerners still hated the North. Even to this day all is still not forgiven, do they really want to risk starting a paramilitary style backlash?
No. But they should dig up his bones, grind them to dust and sell them to the Chinese as powerful folk medicine. Everybody wins - apart from the dead slaves, of course.
Ban everything then nobody can be offended except for us all.
Ban the flag but not a lovey-dovey beatles song about a road named after a slave owner in Liverpool.
I SMELL HYPOCRISY HERE.
I SMELL HYPOCRISY HERE.
Liverpool could be seen as being proud of their past slave industry....
SAD TIMES
SAD TIMES
For those interested, Penny Lane didn't have all of the things attributed to it in the song.
Lark Lane, however, on the other side of Sefton Park, reputedly did.... but the name didn't scan for the music.
Lark Lane, however, on the other side of Sefton Park, reputedly did.... but the name didn't scan for the music.
The shelter in the middle of the roundabout is on the junction of Heathfield Road and Allerton Road, just opposite Penny Lane
Was slavery so bad? you have to compare their life in Africa to how it was working on the plantations. In Africa 75% of people were slaves and it was a case of being taken from the hell that was Africa to the better conditions of life in the plantation fields.
The British of course find slavery morally repugnant, the Romans were surprised to find that there was no slavery in Britain perhaps uniquely in the world at the time.
It would be true to say that the decendents of slaves have benefitted at least as much from the fact that their forebears were slaves as anyone else.
The British of course find slavery morally repugnant, the Romans were surprised to find that there was no slavery in Britain perhaps uniquely in the world at the time.
It would be true to say that the decendents of slaves have benefitted at least as much from the fact that their forebears were slaves as anyone else.
Why don't we have done with it and rewrite history.
Erase everything before the 1950s and claim ethnic minorities founded and cultivated British society
Erase everything before the 1950s and claim ethnic minorities founded and cultivated British society
Iwonder does the thought ever cross Obamas mind that he wouldn`t be president of the US if it hadn`t been for slavery.
Was any of his ancestors living in America in the 1860s?
Possibly, but he wouldn`t exist never mind be president without slavery.
There would be no Louis Armstrong, Chuck Berry, or rock and roll music.....or the Beatles either.
You would never have heard of John Lennon, he would have lived his life maybe as a civil servant and still be living in Liverpool today.
Was slavery so bad? you have to compare their life in Africa to how it was working on the plantations. In Africa 75% of people were slaves and it was a case of being taken from the hell that was Africa to the better conditions of life in the plantation fields.
Just because there are worse things in the world than slavery doesn't make it right.
Just because there are worse things in the world than slavery doesn't make it right.
Was slavery so bad?
was the Holocaust so bad?
was 9/11 so bad?
was......
was the Holocaust so bad?
was 9/11 so bad?
was......
Europe/US bought the slaves but it was other blacks and arabs who sold them.
Is it not the case that blacks in the US have a better life than 95%
of the those still living in Africa?
Is it not the case that blacks in the US have a better life than 95%
of the those still living in Africa?
I would only consider renaming the roads if the descendants of slaves living in Britain and the US were to agree and be happy to be repatriated back to Africa...failing this we can assume they are happy with the overall net outcome and in general are grateful they have been so fortunate.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1517577/oxford-students-want-racist-statue-removed
Oxford Students Want 'Racist' Statue Removed
Students want to tear down statue of Cecil Rhodes overlooking them at their campus.
Campaigners want Oxford to follow the University of Cape Town which pulled down its statue of the white supremacist in April.
10:15, UK,
Sunday 12 July 2015
By Hind Hassan, Sky News Reporter
A group of students at Oxford University has called for a statue to be taken down because it is claimed to symbolise racism and colonialism.
The statue of Cecil Rhodes - dubbed by some as the founding father of Apartheid - is more than 100 years old and sits in a Grade II listed building at Oriel College.
The group wants the university to follow the example of the University of Cape Town which pulled down its statue of the white supremacist in April.
Annie Teriba is member of Oxford University's Rhodes Must Fall movement. The second year history and politics student told Sky News the statue represents institutional racism.
"It's a reminder, more than being a statue, that when this university was built it wasn't built with us in mind it was built off the back of exploiting labour and the colonial project and it's something that still gets celebrated in the form of a statue. That's something that students of colour really take seriously.
"There's a violence to having to walk past the statue every day on the way to your lectures, there's a violence to having to sit with paintings of former slave holders whilst writing your exams - that's really problematic."
She and other members of the movement take inspiration from fellow students in South Africa. In April they successfully campaigned to remove a statue of Cecil Rhodes at Cape Town University.
In life, Cecil Rhodes was ruthless in his pursuit of the British Empire. In 1888 he launched De Beers consolidating mines in southern Africa. There, policies he fought to implement paved the way for racial segregation. Rhodesia - now Zimbabwe - was named after the diamond magnate.
His estate currently endows one of the worlds most prestigious awards, the Rhodes Scholarship.
The postgraduate award brings students - which have included former US president Bill Clinton - from around the world to study at Oxford University.
Oxford student Brian Kwoba Cecil Rhode's legacy can be redeemed by his financial contributions:
"It wasn't Rhode's money: it was money taken from the labour of southern African miners, who he exploited, that created the wealth that now endows the scholarship that is in his name.
"Similarly, at Old Souls College there's a library called The Cordington library [which is] named after a slave owner who had plantations in Barbados in the Caribbean and exploited that labour and then took the money to then endow the library that exists"
"As soon as we start raising these issues a natural question becomes who should actually benefit from these scholarships?"
A spokesperson for Oriel College told Sky News: "When Cecil Rhodes died in 1902 he left 2% of his estate to Oriel College, where he had been a student.
"His legacy helped to fund the construction of a new building, opened in 1911, which is now Grade II* listed. The building frontage included a statue commemorating his benefaction.
"Now, over a century after the building was constructed, Rhodes is thought of very differently. The College draws a clear line between acknowledging the historical fact of Rhodes' donation and in any way condoning his political views.
"Oriel College is committed to being at the forefront of the drive to make Oxford University more diverse and inclusive of people from all backgrounds."
Oxford Students Want 'Racist' Statue Removed
Students want to tear down statue of Cecil Rhodes overlooking them at their campus.
Campaigners want Oxford to follow the University of Cape Town which pulled down its statue of the white supremacist in April.
10:15, UK,
Sunday 12 July 2015
By Hind Hassan, Sky News Reporter
A group of students at Oxford University has called for a statue to be taken down because it is claimed to symbolise racism and colonialism.
The statue of Cecil Rhodes - dubbed by some as the founding father of Apartheid - is more than 100 years old and sits in a Grade II listed building at Oriel College.
The group wants the university to follow the example of the University of Cape Town which pulled down its statue of the white supremacist in April.
Annie Teriba is member of Oxford University's Rhodes Must Fall movement. The second year history and politics student told Sky News the statue represents institutional racism.
"It's a reminder, more than being a statue, that when this university was built it wasn't built with us in mind it was built off the back of exploiting labour and the colonial project and it's something that still gets celebrated in the form of a statue. That's something that students of colour really take seriously.
"There's a violence to having to walk past the statue every day on the way to your lectures, there's a violence to having to sit with paintings of former slave holders whilst writing your exams - that's really problematic."
She and other members of the movement take inspiration from fellow students in South Africa. In April they successfully campaigned to remove a statue of Cecil Rhodes at Cape Town University.
In life, Cecil Rhodes was ruthless in his pursuit of the British Empire. In 1888 he launched De Beers consolidating mines in southern Africa. There, policies he fought to implement paved the way for racial segregation. Rhodesia - now Zimbabwe - was named after the diamond magnate.
His estate currently endows one of the worlds most prestigious awards, the Rhodes Scholarship.
The postgraduate award brings students - which have included former US president Bill Clinton - from around the world to study at Oxford University.
Oxford student Brian Kwoba Cecil Rhode's legacy can be redeemed by his financial contributions:
"It wasn't Rhode's money: it was money taken from the labour of southern African miners, who he exploited, that created the wealth that now endows the scholarship that is in his name.
"Similarly, at Old Souls College there's a library called The Cordington library [which is] named after a slave owner who had plantations in Barbados in the Caribbean and exploited that labour and then took the money to then endow the library that exists"
"As soon as we start raising these issues a natural question becomes who should actually benefit from these scholarships?"
A spokesperson for Oriel College told Sky News: "When Cecil Rhodes died in 1902 he left 2% of his estate to Oriel College, where he had been a student.
"His legacy helped to fund the construction of a new building, opened in 1911, which is now Grade II* listed. The building frontage included a statue commemorating his benefaction.
"Now, over a century after the building was constructed, Rhodes is thought of very differently. The College draws a clear line between acknowledging the historical fact of Rhodes' donation and in any way condoning his political views.
"Oriel College is committed to being at the forefront of the drive to make Oxford University more diverse and inclusive of people from all backgrounds."
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Newham Council and Tower Hamlet Council would like to sincerely apologise for slavery.
And as a goodwill gesture, they will repatriate all those africans not born here, back to Africa.
That's nice of them...innit.
And as a goodwill gesture, they will repatriate all those africans not born here, back to Africa.
That's nice of them...innit.
Of course you should not do this..it is utter drivel
One judges history by the values of the time otherwise we learn nothing
If we are having problems with different races then I suggest we look for the true cause
and stop wasting our time on trivia like this
Judging by the problems in our society and complete drivel on here
I suggest we start thinking why is this happening
and it is what human beings are supposed to be good at..HA HA!
One judges history by the values of the time otherwise we learn nothing
If we are having problems with different races then I suggest we look for the true cause
and stop wasting our time on trivia like this
Judging by the problems in our society and complete drivel on here
I suggest we start thinking why is this happening
and it is what human beings are supposed to be good at..HA HA!
We need to reopen the science of human genetics which has been effectively banned
Worse still we have arbitrarily decided women are the same as men
So it appears just by being a women you can play football as well as say Saurez and Messi, well I can't
and neither can most men, but if you are a women you can, just by being a women
there is a desperate need for more research on human genetics
Worse still we have arbitrarily decided women are the same as men
So it appears just by being a women you can play football as well as say Saurez and Messi, well I can't
and neither can most men, but if you are a women you can, just by being a women
there is a desperate need for more research on human genetics
I wonder if the same people on here objected when this sign got removed.
I think it should be changed.
Not only is it an insult to to our multicultural friends, but having an insensitive address could affect the price of your house.
Mr M.M.Moon
5, Jimmy Saville Terrace
London
W1 8QT
Not only is it an insult to to our multicultural friends, but having an insensitive address could affect the price of your house.
Mr M.M.Moon
5, Jimmy Saville Terrace
London
W1 8QT
Insanity better bettor ..a sign don't abuse children and I am still not convinced he did
To get back to slavery....I am against it, I condemn anyone who nowadays who owns a slave
But I cannot apologise for what my ancestors, because I did not do it
Also the Romans had slaves, the Greeks 'we consider the heart of modern civilization' had slaves
Do all modern Italians and Greeks have to apologise for what their ancestors did, and how far back are we going to go here
and what use would it serve??????
To understand our modern problems we need to revisit human genetics, particularly on human psychology
because it will give us knowledge
Gregor Mendel is an idol of mine, but he only worked with peas
It now needs to be done with humans, not to excuse exploitation of people by race, sex, etc
but to give us knowledge it is the only that will save us
To get back to slavery....I am against it, I condemn anyone who nowadays who owns a slave
But I cannot apologise for what my ancestors, because I did not do it
Also the Romans had slaves, the Greeks 'we consider the heart of modern civilization' had slaves
Do all modern Italians and Greeks have to apologise for what their ancestors did, and how far back are we going to go here
and what use would it serve??????
To understand our modern problems we need to revisit human genetics, particularly on human psychology
because it will give us knowledge
Gregor Mendel is an idol of mine, but he only worked with peas
It now needs to be done with humans, not to excuse exploitation of people by race, sex, etc
but to give us knowledge it is the only that will save us
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