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I never knew that Boxing. Good to get some first hand knowledge on that.
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The Irish were well liked in England in the 1960s, in fact they always have been. It was more a case of many of the young men would come home after working and having a few drinks at night and promply in the morning find they had pissed themselves in bed, some landladies didn`t like this
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my uncle came aged 14 with £40 worked his socks off had a fantastic life
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^^ that as well.lfc1971
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But I think the association with dogs relating to irish and black people is more the matter at hand here. Piddling the bed when your drunk is no excuse for those signs.
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where exactly do you think the hundreds of thousand young Irishmen lived paddletoe...they had a chance to build a good life for themselves and the vast majority did just that.
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No point awakening sleeping dogs ( no pun intended ). It was a different time and wrong would not be a strong enough word. I thank you for the posts Boxing on a topic I was always curious to know about.
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All I have posted about the Irish in London then is of course a generalisation, there were many exceptions, to the "Navvie" rule. I can't give a percentage maybe 30/40%. Paddle the "no dogs was actually" a no pets rule which when posted on the same notice looked worse than it was. Even in our politically correct society you will see a no pets notice for lettings, esp holiday lettings.
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In what sense do you mean that question lfc? I know places like Crickelwood, Kilburn, Luton and Holborn had quite a lot of irish people.
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You're welcome paddle.
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I see Boxing. To me the no dogs part of that phrase always had a different meaning but you lived there so would know a lot more.
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If you were a coloured irish person with a pet dog and looking for digs for the night you would be pretty much fecked. That part is at least clear.
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ask Paul McGrath
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Yes the different meaning was deliberately taken out of context by both the "offended" Irish and West Indians, to strengthen their disapproval at their treatment. With phrases such as at least we are above the dogs. Funny thing is The Irish and WI generally did not have dogs, certainly not in the early days, so that part of the sign was meant for everyone wanting digs Including Brits.
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Phil Lynott.
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Paul McGrath, even with bad knees a giant on the pitch.
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The Committments
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fav player ever even @ Utd
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Phil Lynott got more **** than Frank Sinatra.
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p...y
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He was something else Capt__F.
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lfc1971 NO PETS
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Yes Boxing Paul McGrath was a brilliant footballer and I am normally harsh in rating defenders. I think he was born in London and could have played for England. I am also sure he was brought up in an area close to Croke Park but I don't think he ever played gaelic football which is surprising as he would have been a great gaelic player too.
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Kevin Moran won two all Ireland senior gaelic football championships before he went to Man Utd. I would never have rated him a top player in either codes. Relatively speaking and using a high benchmark I mean.
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Goodnight you lot. Really nice chatting.
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Think you're right about McGrath Paddle. just before I left Ireland, I played Gaelic football and hurling, I was summoned by the both teams (same people in charge)and given an ultimatum, give up soccer or you can't play for us. I choose soccer, missed the hurling great game the 2nd ?? fastest game in the world, or so it's claimed.
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GN and GL paddle, it's been good craic guys. GN
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P.S re an earlier post I saw cans of energy drink being sold this week in Home Bargain stores called pu$sy. How did they get away with that name. Its 99p btw for anyone who has not had any in a while!
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My dad got a year long ban GAA Boxing for playing soccer ( think in very late 60's/early 70s ). Soccer being considered then a foreign sport back then. Coincided with a stint in jail so technically he never served the full ban.
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Good morning paddletoe, that sounds like the same GAA guff I was subjected to at my sports court-martail,
If sports jerseys had epaulettes I'm sure the would have made me wear mine for the "hearing" just so they could rip them off, . To be fair to the GAA it was set up by Michael Cusack to be the Gaelic Athletic Association for the Preservation and Cultivation of national Pastimes, primarily to re establish Hurling at first so It's easy to see the reasoning of these guys running it. |
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Up early today Boxing but I am afraid I need to leave soon. I actually only saw my first hurling match this year. I mean inter county game. It was prior to the Dubs playing Tyrone at Croke Park. I thought some of the skills were fabulous. You also don't see as many field fights in a hurling match. If two players go at it they put their hurleys down. Its only played to a relatively high level in a very few isolated parts on the north.
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Yes this is just a quick look in for me as well.
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The ban on gaelic players also playing soccer seems draconian with todays eyes but they were different times. It and other things cost my dad his best sporting years and he was very talented in gaelic, soccer and boxing. He once scored a double hat trick in a soccer game against a team made up of police men. or so he says. Who knows.
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Did you mention you had some try outs for football clubs in England.
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I am a tyrone man btw. One great clip of my team I will try and dig out for you on youtube sometime if you wish and it would interest you. A clip from a semi final game against Kerry. I was at the game and they were tackling the Kerry lads like a pack of wolves. Then there was the match they played the Dubs and took the field first and went straight to the Hill 16 end for their kick around. The Dubs went mental. To be fair Croke Park is not their home ground but you could see their point with Hill 16 being built with the stone left over from the easter rising and its always been their part of the ground.
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Yes QPR, it's a long story. maybe for another time.
1959 was when I was "drummed out" the panel of 3 was made up of fairly older men who still had "Truce and Treaty" fresh in their minds as they were quick to tell an 11 year old behind closed doors "Good men died for our freedom so we can be true Irishmen, who don't have any truck with that English game, FFS. Again I understand their mindset in their place would I have been any different, most probably not. The clip on youtube sounds great, I'm a Dub, hence the username. |