the anti austerity march london today !

First I've heard of it.  Any pix?

on the news some reports estimated  250,000 in attendance ,also a similar march in Scotland !

anti austerity?

Wot a bunch of knuts!

Imagine, ... you've spent all your money ... wot would u doo?  Sell an island? 

yeah but where did that money go ?

Jun 20, 2015 -- 7:42PM, FOYLESWAR wrote:

on the news some reports estimated

They can austerity as much as they like for me.
I see that house prices are predicted to rise by 25% in the next five years.

http://www.moneyexpert.com/news/house-prices-look-increase-25-homes-for-sale-plummet-the-lowest-level-since-records-began/800583375?affiliateID=405&campaign=EM2293A

It's nice to have a little bit tucked away for a rainy day.

I'm El Skinto and I'll forever fight, for my right ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk

didnt they hear the results?  Tory Majority.
They are protesting at the wrong place...


They should be protesting right outside Myleen Klass's mansion and other tory voting homes.

Unemployeyed (sp?) should be given the offer to WORK for their benefit money, imo.

Don't wanna work? Muzzy izzit?  Fack ORF!

The organisers were probably staying at Claridges I suspect.

Some people are never happy, they would rather we ended like greece and then they would have something to really to protest about.

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/20/exclusive-imagesvideo-londons-huge-endtheausterity-march/

Take it none of them was in on the gamble on Interception in the Wokingham?

There's some 'anti-austerity' for you.

People protesting because the party they voted for got fewer votes than they hoped.  The definition of pathetic.

I support them

But cannot afford to go up to London to support them

I would to see austerity applied to the rich not just the poor

The unemployed would work, but there needs to be jobs
I believe society has to provide a job for everybody

as has been asked already .,,.What austerity  is it that people keep complaining about ?

there is none ,it never happened ,reducing council budgets has been needed ,on befalf of the taxpayers .

When ever you see people protesting about council services being cut , its mostly council employees

Those at the bottom of our society and the unemployed feel it all right

Benefits cut all round

We've never had it so good.
Maybe if some people cut back on the booze and cigarettes and made do without a mobile life might be better.
I'm all for helping the really poor off but too many scroungers are fouling up the system.

Also a similar march in Bristol. Austerity is literally stealing from the poor to give to the tax avoiding rich.

tax avoidance is fine though......

its a fact that some people put booze and ciggies ahead of caring for their children

true hound dog ,another example which is on the politics forum now about the government proposals to sell rbs shares at the low rate  of £5, when the true value is £7.! sounds like a good opportunity to make some money ! don't get excited though because these shares will not be available to small investors  , the bankers and the rich will make another killing

sorry £7.75 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Do you know for a fact they won't be available to small investors?

@G1-J
So because some people avoid tax it's okay for others to take advantage of our benefits system?

same thing in my book.
both utter sc um although the way people go on here is that most who claim are scroungers....

id look at the governments reluctance to curb house prices.
housing benefits costs more to the government than benefit fraud.

might want to check that info on rbs prices Foyleswar ...currently around £3.50 and that was after they clumped them 1 for 10 ,gov bought in at 47p and they will be  getting out well under that ,despite promising not to ,now saying profit on other sell offs will cover it .Its all ballarks anyway ,noone is talking about the costs involved or what interest 45B would have made ect .
Bottom line is they had to do it imo ,was against it but these banks invent/print money and pay 50B a year in taxes so they are needed.
Not so sure there would be the public hunger for bank shares,there will be a public sale , there is plenty to go around imo .

Russel Brand took plenty milage out of the Bank bailouts but never once did he mention the money being recouped or go into the effect on economy ect if they had not taken the action they did ,not to mention the job losses and costs involved there .

they did cause the financial crisis...........not even sc ummy tax avoiders caused it

akabula have a look at the George osbourne fred on politics

they should hold their protests up north to help boost the economy

london hardly needs another 250k day trippers

250k .... 

what was official figure of  yesterdays rabble ?

I was going to go on this march, but I was intending to drive and not walk.

But some may have got the wrong idea and thrown eggs at my Bentley.

I was going to set up a stall selling soap just in case they cracked open the water cannons.

thought you had a peckham spring moment there till i saw the end bit.

akabula  • June 21, 2015 11:55 AM BST 


We've never had it so good.
Maybe if some people cut back on the booze and cigarettes and made do without a mobile life might be better.
I'm all for helping the really poor off but too many scroungers are fouling up the system.

We have never had it so bad. Of course all the better off love this system. They get everything
the poor get very little.Still if that is what people want?

I will always oppose it. I detest the rich, their hypocrisy. The only decent people you find in our society are at the bottom.

Lot of Tories on these forums. Must de better at gambling than I am LOL!

Someone said I am not a communist...I assure them I am.

so a guy goes out sets up a business works all hours and give 400 people jobs and makes a few million

pays taxes and his workers pay taxes

YOU HATE HIM???

hmmmm.  Now I come to see where you are coming from ebul.

"Austerity is literally stealing from the poor to give to the tax avoiding rich."

Tax gap is 35 billion.  Let's make an absurd assumption that all of that is the rich in tax avoidance schemes (biggest item is VAT in shadow economy but let's pretend it's the nasty rich). 

Even if the rich cough up the £35 billion, the government still runs a deficit. 

So they aren't "literally" stealing from the poor to give to the "tax avoiding rich".

"I will always oppose it. I detest the rich, their hypocrisy. The only decent people you find in our society are at the bottom."

You really detest all successful people?  I'm afraid that says more about you than them.

Very sad that in this day and age Wolfy Smith hasn't grown any wiser. How spiteful must you be to make a blanket statement about all members of a section of society? Imagine if it were black people or the poor he was talking about?

Communist!!??  Really !!??  A wonderful Stalinist dictatorship awaits us .  yeah sure.

Ah well that was a mistake

But I still believe communism is the only hope for this world, well communism/socialism

Anything that creates a fairer world....and is strong enough to deal with the problems of our world, overpopulation, lack of food or energy resources, possible climate change, a lot to deal with

I suppose I am a bit of a Wolfy Smith, but it is not spite, I would to see more economic equality that is all

Even if the rich cough up the £35 billion, the government still runs a deficit.

Well we have been running a deficit for the past five years anyway, despite the massive crackdown on benefits

hang on ebul  communism/socialism ?? which one then? 
ah more economic equality is not communism  which is total

economic equality is more you Blairite philosophy  - an equitable society etc  or maybe a bit more left  of Blair etc

They are not that far apart, I doubt we can get total equality
I see communism as the ideal but we must accept human nature
so I now believe in controlled capitalist economies such as China

250,000? I wonder how many the real figure was. The usual method is to divide the hyped figure by 10

they are supposed to have developed a system of counting a crowd based on tweets
and other social media, the bbc told us, but didnt use the method to calculate this gathering
that they seemed to be promoting. i wonder why.

various agencies count and so do the police ,if pressed they will give it but as mentioned they will be reluctant as it did not look that many  ,they have a figure based on a head count ,people with clickers .As do press and other agencies ,prob agree a figure between them that suits all agendas

easy to count people on a march ,not so easy a large swilling gathering constantly on the move

Foyle because a forum member says it 'seems' that small investors won't be allowed to buy shares doesn't make it true.

But I still believe communism is the only hope for this world, well communism/socialism

Don't we all ebul ? Howver,some os us have differnet opinions about the route we should take to get there and hatred of one sector is just as bad on both sides of the divide. Many of us believe holding hands out for undeserved benefits is just as bad because it robs from those that do deserve benefits most. We all agree that rich tax avoiders should be targetted but I bet most on that austerity march buy from ebay,amazon and apple and all the other IT companies that avoid tax by locating in low tax bases.

I see your point treetop

But how do you know benefit is underserved? It is only the Tory government that says this, to enable them to cut benefits.
The money they save is then given back in tax cuts to the better off, no attempt has been made to clear our deficit.

It is hard for those at the bottom, those who say what austerity? are not at the bottom are they

I do not see this country or the world ever getting any fairer as long as we pursue these extreme monetarist economics.
We will not remove poverty.
Since I do not believe religious fanaticism is the answer either, what is left?

I see communism/socialism as our only hope.

I do not think those who have to survive at the bottom, can afford to be ethical buyers either

amazon and apple and all the other IT companies that avoid tax by locating in low tax bases.
then simply up the point of consumption tax.

if they want to have a base here they become transparent or pay hefty fines.
we ahd these problems pre EU with he yanks....then being a larger union we had more clout.

dont bow down to big companies in fear of losing business....our tax laws cant be that bad as companies like to trade here and have done for years.
these big companies are simply trying it on.

close any loopholes.

I have been at the bottom ebul - and it wasn't communism or its ideals that got me off it!!!  Just hard work and not sitting on my earse  whining.
Many of these protestors etc are on good local government jobs that they want to protect and are not from the sink estates.

I am not against those who start a business and who are succesfull, far from  good luck to them ,its the establishment /powers that be who tell you what you cant do while doing what they are telling you not to do but on a much greater scale  khoonts who I oppose ,people who feel  that they are comfortable now with a nice well paid job and everything is rosey may well be of a different mind in a year or 2s  time or sooner ,if you are an ordinary working man or own a small business  and not in the elite this mob will be after making it uncomfortable for you ,as said earlier watch fuel  prices go up petrol/diesel , it will just go up around a penny a week or 2 gradually so most motorists don't notice " they wont make the mistake of pushing it up by 5-10p in one hit"   " then we have those who are working but on lowish wages and claiming housing benefit  ,be very  surprised if they don't cut that next.
don't make the mistake that the government want to help the working class, they despise us .
akbula"foyles  just because you heard on a forum that shares wont be made to the smaller investor dosnt make it true "  true but lets just say I am not over confident bout getting any are you ?

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Spain&city1=London&city2=Malaga

heres a great comparison site for costs around the world.
was checking up petrol prices to see how much extra tax we charge in the uk compared to say spain.
check fa gs out lol

also check rents out......

Well I don't think I've missed out up until now Foyle. Lets wait and see before criticising.

don't make the mistake that the government want to help the working class, they despise us .
I totally agree FOYLESWAR

That has been the plan since 1980, crush the working class, we only exist to be exploited and used by the rich
To this end personal selfishness and greed are encourages and people are encouraged to despise anyone less fortunate than themselves
It is clever stuff, but does not fool me.

Our society grows worse and more vicious, cheap imports hold it up, I can see that.

I hold by my view, although I know it is not fashionable at the moment, we will have to return to it one day.

Nowt like a chip on your shoulder to avoid your own shortcomings.

Yes I have my shortcomings, there are very few of us that don't

But I was always a hard and conscience worker, in fact I loved my work.
I would go back to work today if anybody would employ me, I am now a pensioner

I was struck low by misfortunes in my life, I lost my career, property and money.
I do not regard it as my own fault, it happens.
Although I know the world will now regard me as a failure, and it hurts.

But I have always held socialist beliefs, I believe in a fairer society and always will.

you simply can not beat fairness.

those that  have an" im alright jack attitude now  "will be  the ones that scream loudest when the boot is on the other foot !

Surely the plan is not to crush the working class, but to turn the lazy scroungers into the working class.
People need to get off the jacksies and pay their own way!

No more free benefits. They should do community service and/or training courses and they should be mandatory before any benefits can be claimed.
I'd scrap child benefits too. Give them free meals at school if their parents do the above.

Training courses cost money Stow, but i do like the idea but it would cost plenty but would perhaps pay for itself in the long run but unfortunately governments only think short term.

stow I would like to think that a large % of the unemployed would be happy to do some form of meaningfull unpaid work for their benefits obviously a percentage wont be happy at getting off their rses  ,but the problem is what work could they do that wont put already  employed people on the dole ,I think it was suggested that they could be made to pick up litter or clean graffiti from walls etc, but the double edged sword is that having people do these jobs for free will surely lead to those that are paid to do these jobs losing them

On an anti-austerity march yet they defile a war monument. Absolute cretins on these marches.