Type 2 diabetes

Know little about this specific diet but I do know that you get good GP's and bad ones and like many professions the good ones tend to be the ones comfortable enough to talk openly about things and hold their hands up and say they don't know nearly as much as they have to pretend. I don't think I dreamt it but I seem to remember an article from a few months ago where it had shown positive results from a hyper low calorie diet with type 2.

I was diagnosed type 2 18 months ago. Went on a diet, cut out all sweets and biscuits and took moderate exercise.
My HbA1c went from a ridiculous 102 to 38 in 8 months. That was me no longer diabetic. Now on a sensible diet and have had no further problems.

This is what I was referring to Jayco. Study from Newcastle University:

Reversing Type 2 Diabetes

Our work has shown that type 2 diabetes is not inevitably progressive and life-long. We have demonstrated that in people who have had type 2 diabetes for 4 years or less, major weight loss returns insulin secretion to normal.

It has been possible to work out the basic mechanisms which lead to type 2 diabetes. Too much fat within liver and pancreas prevents normal insulin action and prevents normal insulin secretion. Both defects are reversible by substantial weight loss.

A crucial point is that individuals have different levels of tolerance of fat within liver and pancreas. Only when a person has more fat than they can cope with does type 2 diabetes develop. In other words, once a person crosses their personal fat threshold, type 2 diabetes develops. Once they successfully lose weight and go below their personal fat threshold, diabetes will disappear.

Some people can tolerate a BMI of 40 or more without getting diabetes. Others cannot tolerate a BMI of 22 without diabetes appearing, as their bodies are set to function normally at a BMI of, say 19. This is especially so in people of South Asian ethnicity.
Information for people with diabetes

    Download the information leaflet: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes (PDF: 286KB)
    Get sample vegetable recipes and meal plans from the Reversing Diabetes Low Calorie Diet Programme (PDF: 375KB) devised by Miss Karen Heron, Dietician, Newcastle Diabetes Centre. More information on low calorie diets is available from the Diabetes UK website.
    The British Heart Foundation provide advice on weight loss.
    Read Richard Doughty's personal story Type 2 diabetes and the diet that cured me on the Guardian website, including a video interview of another personal story and an update from Richard, I reversed my diabetes in just 11 days, on the Mail Online.

Information for your doctor

It is important that people with diabetes discuss their management with their own doctor. It will take years for this new knowledge to become incorporated into textbooks and guidelines, so your doctor may be wary of information from the internet.

Newcastle University researchers have written some notes for you to take to your doctor. Download our information sheet for doctors on the practical management of type 2 diabetes in respect of reversal (PDF: 220KB).
Further Reading

    In 2008, we published the Twin Cycle Hypothesis to explain the cause of type 2 diabetes. This hypothesis predicted that diet could entirely reverse type 2 diabetes. Read our scientific review, Pathogenesis of type 2 diabetes on the US National Library of Medicine website.
    A clinical study designed to test the hypothesis was funded by Diabetes UK. The results were very clear. Weight loss averaging 15kg (2 stone 5lb) achieved over 8 weeks caused two distinct sets of changes. Within 7 days, liver fat had fallen by 30%, liver insulin sensitivity had returned to normal and fasting blood glucose had become normal. By 8 weeks, pancreas fat content had returned to normal and insulin secretion by the pancreas had returned to normal. Read the full scientific paper, Reversal of type 2 diabetes and the related Newcastle University Press Release, Diet Reverses Type 2 Diabetes.
    This new understanding of what causes type 2 diabetes and how it can be completely reversed has been used by individuals worldwide, a report has been published documenting practical management of type 2 diabetes in respect of reversal (PDF: 84KB).
    Professor Taylor was awarded the 2012 Banting Lectureship of Diabetes UK. Read his lecture Reversing the twin cycles of Type 2 diabetes (PDF: 543KB).
    Scientists and doctors with access to the journal Diabetes Care, can read a full review of the science underlying this matter: Type 2 diabetes: etiology and reversibility.

aka are you saying its reversible

BTW I had a doctor and nurse who specialised in diabetes and both were brilliant.
I had regular meetings with both them but was also told to phone in between meetings if I had any issues whatsoever.

I had stunning results regarding cholesterol levels having found statins to be injurious to my health. I lost plenty of weight, ate healthily and exercised and all my levels improved enormously and I fall well within normal levels now each time I get my blood checked.

You'd have to conclude that we are literally as a nation eating ourselves ill. The cure is often within our own hands or mouths.

The professionals seem to say it is certainly feasible Jayco. I don't suppose they'd guarantee it but the studies seem positive.

Yes Jayco. That's exactly what happened in my case.
I test my blood regularly myself to keep a check on my blood sugar levels.
I use a small hand held device called an Accu-check. £20 or so at any chemists.

There's an Australian guy I think who has written a book about the evils of specific types of sugar within out diet. It was quoted in one of the newspapers. My memory of anatomy and such things is hazy from being out of the game for so long but the sugar we use on our tables is made up of two types of sugar. One is definitely fructose and I'm guessing the other may be glucose. Anyway one of them is hyper madly addictive. They did tests with lab rats. They were exposed to this addictive sugar and heroin I think. Then when given the choice they chose the sugar over the heroin. Now that is fuccked up.

Looking back, i was a ticking time bomb for the disease, ate **** and did minimal exercise. Twenty years ago i was as fit as a fiddle, however fit that is. When i had my last appt i asked about a blood sugar tester and he said i didnt need one,

You have the power.

Before I realised I had a problem I was gorging on Jelly Beans.
Produced by a company called, funnily enough, The Jelly Bean Factory they come in 100 flavours and are highly addictive.

i was pissing for England

.............. and drinking.
Going through 6/8 litres a day and pi55ing ever hour on the hour if not more.

drinking water flushes sugar out of your system

try drinking one and a half litres a day

those of you with the meters try this and report back.

of course you will also need to moderate food intake.

Isn't the forementioned diet [ high fat and low carb ] the Atkins diet ?

There are so many. I thought Atkins had something do do with protein but god only knows.

I believe the original Atkins diet didn't consider protein, but the modern version is high fat, low carb, moderate protein. People starting high fat diets often make the mistake of not eating enough actual fat but eating too much protein. Protein doesn't raise your blood sugar as much as carbs but it does still do it. Remember that high fat isn't lots of lean chicken (for instance) but the fattier parts (thighs are good) and the skin. It's hard in the beginning because although lipid hypothesis (that fat clogs your arteries like pouring glue down a sink) is BS it is still hard to commit to enough fat, and instead go for lean meats and other protein-rich foods like cheese. I've taken a break from eggs, but until recently I've been eating 4-6 a day. I think back to when we were told one a week was probably the limit and chuck the yoke away .

Anyway, I don't have diabetes but even so I feel about 15 years younger since going high fat over a year ago. You should look up videos by guys like Tim Noakes, Gary Taubes, Peter Attia, Stephen Phinney - Noakes was a doctor and sports scientist that told everyone to eat carbs because that's what the science of the time said. He was a marathon runner (many gruelling Comrades marathons) and despite all that developed diabetes. As he said, he was doing everything 'right' (diet and exercise) by the science and still got sick. He speaks eloquently on how he was wrong and now promotes high fat diets, Taubes asks all the right questions too. Robert Lustig is one to look up on sugar and its addictive qualities.

This is a good presentation on the subject 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1vvigy5tQ

A Man I know cut his Cholesterol Level 50% by Eating Brazil Nuts,
Not cheap at the time,10 years ago,
but if You buy them in bulk nowadays, say 1 KG, take 6-7 a day, Every day.

Cheers Sid

Brazil nuts are my favourite, but they are loaded with selenium. The recommended daily amount of selenium is about 50 micrograms - 6 nuts contains about 500 micrograms, so you have to take care about seriously poisoning yourself. On the plus side they are about the lowest carbed nut. But I don't doubt the Cholesterol reduction. Pecans are also good for lowering LDL, which is the one you want down.

I had high count at the weekend having passed a kidney stone they tested my blood at the time.
What's the deal with drinking alcohol?

High fat, low carb diet vs low calorie diet
http://www.health-e.org.za/2014/07/10/new-research-debunk-banting-diet/

I reversed my diabetes in just 11 days - by going on a starvation diet

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2385179/I-reversed-diabetes-just-11-days--going-starvation-diet.html

Buy a book on sensible eating and stick to it. It's not rocket science although some would have you believe it is.
I eat smaller portions, no need to weigh as the eye tells you they are smaller, and avoid, or at least eat very little, of fatty type foods.

2 diabetes

Whatever the message is about the perils of being overweight it's having little effect on the population.

I read the study ‘de-bunking’ Banting referred to in the article above, did anyone else bother?

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http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0100652

First, the article states:

Studies lasted between three months and two years, and measured the diets’ impacts on risk factors related to heart disease, diabetes and cancer.

Read the study, it says:

We therefore sought to determine whether low CHO [low carb] diets have any beneficial or harmful effects on weight and cardiovascular risk factors when compared to balanced diets.

So the study is about the risks for those diseases on a Banting-type (low carb) diet compared to a ‘balanced’ diet. It is about whether between 3 months to 2 years, it was any better at reducing weight and risk factors for heart disease. Diabetes is only mentioned as not surprisingly a proportion of the 32,000 in the study had diabetes. Cancer is not mentioned once in the study.

Secondly, the conclusion reached was that there’s little difference between the results of the low carb diet and the balanced diet after two years. So, what the study shows is not that the high fat diet is bad, but that it is no better than restricting calories. Or in other words, eating a high fat diet is just as effective as eating fewer calories.

However, you need a bit of common sense here. Restricting calories is why diets fail. They fail because you are hungry and miserable because you are not eating enough; this is down to actions of insulin and leptin. If this were not true, every diet would succeed. You can only restrict calories for so long. With the high fat diet you restrict nothing and never get hungry the way you do on a diet as it is not as such ‘a diet’ – leptin and insulin work normally.

Thirdly, what is the quality of evidence against Noakes in that study?

Well it is shoite. For a start, Noakes and every other high fat proponent will tell you, the high fat diet isn’t a high protein diet. Yet the article states that’s what it is. The study also sets out what diets were used and here they are:

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http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure/image?size=medium&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0100652.t002


As you can see, three diet types – a low carb, high fat; low carb high protein and a balanced weight loss diet as prescribed by the British Dietetic Association.

But look at the protein levels – the BDA balanced weightloss diet has a maximum of 20% protein, but the low carb high fat diet has unrestricted protein. This is utter bollox, no high fat proponent suggests eating unlimited protein, it is a moderate protein diet. Protein has less but similar effect to carbs on your metabolism, it raises your blood sugar and therefore stimulates insulin secretion.

The other ‘high fat’ diet is nothing of the sort – it is max 35% fat and only a ‘moderate restriction’ of carbs, a moderate restriction of carbs and a third fat is not a high fat diet. It is also, by title, a high protein diet. See what bllshit this is? You have the so-called balanced diet compared to two so-called high fat diets that are nothing of the sort. The study even confirms but both high fat diets used were high protein.

My complaint here isn’t against the study, the quality of evidence of the studies studied is only moderate, according to its own words. But the diets being proposed as high fat are nothing like the diets that Noakes and every other high fat proponent thinks of as high fat. The diets in the study are either too much carb too little fat or, in both cases, too much protein. And that article repeats the fallacy that they are high protein, they are not. Secondly the study only concludes that these ‘high fat’ diets are the same in terms of results as the restricted diets, not that they are bad. But you can’t sustain a calorie restricted diet forever whereas you can eat high fat for life, as 20-30 year high fat guy Dr Stephen Phinney shows.

When reported, energy intake was similar in the diet groups being compared, but participants did not adhere fully to the prescribed macronutrient goaWls for both diets in most trials.

So basically the only way of comparing calorie for calorie on the two diets was what people told them they were eating, and therefore there are reliability issues. Compare that to the LA Veterans study where you had 800 people locked up in a home, half given margarine, half butter over 8 years where you knew for sure exactly what people were eating. Result, no significant difference in heart disease, double cancer rate for the margarine group.

In order to debunk Banting/Noakes, you’d need to conduct studies that are actual high fat diets, not high protein ones.

As for the alluded to cancer risk of Banting/Noakes in the article. The cell biologist that is the president of the number one cancer research hospital on the planet (Memorial Sloan Kettering, New York) says that eating high fat doesn’t increase your chances of developing cancer one bit, whereas over eating carbs and protein do.

Prof Rod Taylor's complete reversal 'cure' by consuming diet drinks and eating non-starchy vegetables for 8 weeks....


As always with these types of things please consult your doctor before going on this or any other type of dietary program.


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Reply from Professor Taylor
on frequent questions asked

Further information on the research on Reversing Type 2 Diabetes

Thank you for contacting me about the study on reversing type 2 diabetes. This has caused great interest
amongst people with diabetes, and as of October 2013, I have received around 2,000 enquiries and
messages. Although I have replied to most of these personally, it is no longer feasible to do this. The
research must continue and I believe that advice on this matter will soon be available from your own
Doctor. I hope the following items will provide some useful information.

Optifast

Although Optifast was used in the study, this is not readily available in the UK unless on prescription.
An alternative liquid food supplement of similar calorific content is equally suitable. These are
available from most local supermarkets; you should try several brands to find one most suited to your
taste.

What were the main findings?

1. The study was in people who had type 2 diabetes of up to 4 years. There is good reason to believe
that longer duration type 2 diabetes can be reversible, although after 10 – 15 years of diabetes it is
likely that not everyone will be able to achieve a return to normal glucose control, despite major
weight loss.
2. It is possible to wake up the insulin producing cells of the pancreas by a consistent diet.
3. This happened at the same time as the fat content in the pancreas decreased. Previous studies
have shown that fat stops insulin release, so it is reasonable to deduce that the removal of fat from
the pancreas allowed insulin release to normalise.
Could it work for me?
 This research is in “type 2 diabetes”, the usual common form of diabetes. There are some rare forms
of diabetes which may be incorrectly called type 2 diabetes:
a) Diabetes occurring after several attacks of pancreatitis is likely to be due to direct damage
to the pancreas (known as “pancreatic diabetes”)
b) Secondly, people who are slim and are diagnosed with diabetes in their teens and twenties,
with a very strong family history of diabetes, may have a genetic form (known as
“monogenic diabetes”)
c) Thirdly, type 1 diabetes sometimes comes on slowly in adults, and these people usually
require insulin therapy within a few years of diagnosis (“slow onset type 1”)
None of these will respond in the same way as the common, true type 2 diabetes.
 So, if you have the common form of type 2 diabetes, this could work for you. However, you
should not underestimate just how much change in your day to day life will be necessary to bring
this about. It requires motivation and persistence.

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Could it work for people with a normal BMI?
 Yes, most certainly, provided that the diagnosis of type 2 diabetes is correct. Some people are
unable to cope with even moderate amounts of fat in their liver and pancreas. Type 2 diabetes
only happens when a Personal Fat Threshold is exceeded. Losing weight within the range which
is “normal” for the general population is then essential for health.
Practical advice

 The particular diet used in the study was designed to mimic the sudden reduction of calorie intake
that occurs after gastric bypass surgery. By using such a vigorous approach, we were testing
whether we could reverse diabetes in a similar short time period to that observed after surgery.

 The essential point is that substantial weight loss must be achieved. The time course of weight
loss is much less important.

 It is a simple fact that the fat stored in the wrong parts of the body (inside the liver and pancreas)
is used up first when the body has to rely upon its own stores of fat to burn. Any pattern of eating
which brings about substantial weight loss over a period of time will be effective. Different
approaches suit different individuals best.

 It is also very important to emphasise that sustainability of weight loss is the most important thing
to ensure that diabetes stays away after the initial weight loss. Previous research has shown that
steady weight loss over a 5 – 6 month period is more likely to be successful in keeping weight
down in the long term. For this reason, ordinary steady weight loss may be preferable. However,
if you are not able to lose around 2½ stone over, say, six months by this approach, then the very
low calorie diet may be best for you.

The standard approach would involve:
a) Decreasing total food (and alcohol) intake by about one half
b) Using smaller plates
c) Eating more slowly
d) Recognising that the sensation of hunger is sign of success, not a signal to eat
e) Enjoy that hunger. Celebrate with a glass of water; maybe fizzy water
However, if you find this difficult, the liquid meal approach could be used.
More details about steady, sustainable weight loss are available on the Diabetes UK website -
http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/

The research diet

To carry out the research study, the following diet was used:

 One sachet of a liquid formula diet three times per day. The study used Optifast, but there are
several other brands.

 Three portions of non-starchy vegetables per day. Lack of variety was a big problem of the diet, so we devised a few recipes to make the vegetables more interesting. The range of possibilities is
infinite, but you can find the recipes we used on the website -
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm.

 No alcohol (merely because alcohol itself is so calorific – 7 calories in every gram).

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 As outlined above, a more gradual approach to calorie restriction is advised. You must consult your doctor before embarking upon any very low calorie diet. In particular, any medication
you are taking may need to be adjusted. Some general information about this is also on the website.

None of this information is a substitute for proper, individual medical advice.
 Our research subjects found the diet challenging to stick to. Motivated people were selected, and
support from the team was given frequently. Support from the families of the research volunteers
was very important in helping them comply with the diet. Hunger was not a particular problem
after the first few days, but the complete change in social activities (not going to the pub, not
joining in the family meals etc.) was a challenge over the eight weeks.
After achieving your target weight - how do you keep your weight down in the long
term?

1. Once you are at your personal target weight, the critical thing now is to become accustomed to
eating approximately 2/3
of the total amount you used to eat. There need be no restriction upon
any particular food stuffs, although naturally foods that are very calorie-dense are best avoided.

The goal is keeping the weight down [you may find your weight increases 1 – 2 kg over a few
days on returning to a higher calorie intake; this is because your glycogen stores return to normal
and glycogen is stored in the water inside your body].

2. If you are increasing your exercise, do not adjust your calorie intake, as it is so easy to over-
compensate for exercise.

3. To maintain a consistent healthy weight, Taylor’s top tips are:
a) Weigh weekly - and write it down
b) Walk, cycle, stairs. Maintain a high level of everyday physical activity
c) Party but payback. Enjoy life and especially occasions to celebrate, but there is a price.

You must eat only about half your current intake for a few days
What research is going on?
 A study to find out how well people with longer duration type 2 diabetes can achieve normal
glucose control. This study will be completed by mid-2014.
 Diabetes UK have funded a major 5 year study to find out how many people can reverse or
improve their diabetes by a low calorie liquid diet. This will be carried out entirely in Primary
Care. It is planned to get underway in April 2014. Further details are available on the Diabetes
UK website.
Future volunteers?
Thanks to all who offered to help with future studies. At present, we are not looking for further
volunteers.

Any other information?

 Further information will be posted on the website www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes.
 Already available are the links to the full scientific paper describing the reversibility of diabetes
study and also the scientific review of the existing knowledge in 2008, which described the “twin
cycle hypothesis” which we have now tested. An up-to-date review of how weight loss works
was added in 2013.

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 Also available is a paper which describes what happened to diabetes when weight loss was
achieved at home. This information was provided by many people around the world using email.
 Also, all information will be added to the website, which is updated from time to time.
 Please remember that this website and its links provide information and not personal medical
advice. Do consult your Doctor for personal advice.
Thank you for your interest in this work

Going from my last post from last week.....

This presentation goes into the program with great detail.....


http://tinyurl.com/qf7o4c6

I was told that a GP gets paid £x for every diabetic on his/her book. If you are diagnosed as diabetic ask for a second opinion or, better still,demand one.