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By:
MisterBadger
When: 15 May 15 14:21
pigs never get that much space and the floor isn't covered in ****, that's two things
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 15 May 15 14:23
none appear to be tagged
By:
kenny mann
When: 15 May 15 14:24
The pig industry is about to succeed in getting Europe to approve fully slatted floors. We have just weeks to stop them.
By:
MisterBadger
When: 15 May 15 14:25
what does that mean, kenny?
By:
kenny mann
When: 15 May 15 14:25
Don’t let the worst become ‘the best’

Parliament

A European reference document to define ‘best available techniques’ for the intensive pig industry is being negotiated. A threat looms: fully slatted flooring for pigs risks being recognised within this document as the ‘best available technique’, despite it being the worst system for the animals. We have just weeks to prevent this huge backward-step for pig welfare in Europe – please, act now.

For many years, Compassion supporters have campaigned to improve the conditions in which pigs throughout the EU are reared. Thanks to you, last year we submitted a petition with 475,576 signatures to Europe’s Agriculture Ministers. This called on them to ensure that the rules set down in the EU Pigs Directive are respected and that pigs are protected from the worst excesses of factory farming.

Now, a European document that defines the ‘best available technique’ for intensive pig farming is being negotiated. The pig industry is about to succeed in getting fully slatted floors approved within this document – and we have just weeks to stop them.

Pigs are curious and intelligent animals that use their snouts to explore and root around. This decision will result in Europe’s pigs living in a completely barren environment without a single activity to occupy their time. How can fully slatted floors be the ‘best available technique’?
The worst cannot be ‘the best’

In reality, these floors are not compatible with good animal welfare: European law, in place since 2003, requires pigs to have materials like straw in which they can explore, rest comfortably and nest before giving birth. Fully slatted floors can make the provision of straw impossible. By declaring that fully slatted floors are the best available technique, the European Commission will be endorsing an environmental practice that goes against its own laws on animal welfare.

The argument, that fully slatted floors make it easier to dispose of pig waste and keep areas clean, is also weak: pig waste is 10 times more polluting in water than human waste and has been a major cause of an ecological disaster in Brittany, France, where vast algal blooms have plagued the sea along the coast.

Fully slatted floors are not permitted, or will be phased, out in the Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland. This is because, in reality, this system has no environmental benefit and is the worst available technique for the pigs’ welfare.

It is unacceptable that European authorities are prepared to sacrifice animal welfare laws and the environment to endorse a method of production that would simply benefit the intensive pig farming industry.

Please write to your Agriculture Minister today and call on them to reject fully slatted floors as the ‘best available technique’.

Take action
By:
kenny mann
When: 15 May 15 14:26
Petition to follow.

How fkin cruel is that? Factory fkin farming!
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 15 May 15 14:30
it's the greedy intensive breeders, and they should be hit in the pocket by boycotting supermarket meat. Trouble is people are too lazy, and many think they'll get a better deal at a supermarket, which is not always the case anyway.
By:
MisterBadger
When: 15 May 15 14:30
it all comes down to money in the end  Cry
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 15 May 15 14:31
I'd sooner have quality than save 50p a lb
By:
MisterBadger
When: 15 May 15 14:34
if there were a means of identifying pork reared in this way I'd boycott it, it's not even a question imo
By:
kenny mann
When: 15 May 15 14:36
Thanks for the support guys. I'll get the link to the petition up later.
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 15 May 15 14:42
I use a local butcher whose family started over 100 years ago, and he only uses the farmers who are about 25 miles away from this area. Either he, or one of his sons, visits the farms regularly to check the conditions, and they also do their own slaughtering. If you buy in bulk the chances are you'll beat the supermarket prices also. Same with fish, I've just checked Sainsburys and they're selling cod at £12.69 a kilo and you've no idea how fresh it is. I ordered a box yesterday from The Cornish Fishmonger, cod is £11.95 a kilo and guaranteed to be from boat to door in 24 hours.
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 15 May 15 14:46
if I didn't have a good local butcher I would use this firm, take a look

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http://www.farmison.com/


I doubt you'll find anywhere that does such a massive variety of different cuts, and the prices are quite reasonable when you consider the breeds that these cuts are coming from.
By:
kenny mann
When: 15 May 15 14:48
There's a pub in Leeds, The Town Hall Tavern, and the owners tells me that all animals are sedated before being killed.

Our beef is sourced from farms in the Yorkshire Dales and it is dry-aged for a minimum of 30 days and Jon, Sam and all the kitchen staff have even been to visit them. Our pigs are happy and free range from local farms and you will only find the best free-range chicken and eggs on our menus.

Why can't everyone treat them with such respect? It's the least they deserve.
By:
kenny mann
When: 16 May 15 00:11
Link to the petition follow when I find it.
By:
akabula
When: 16 May 15 00:20
Anything to save a few pounds. Anybody for this should be banned from keeping any animals.
Pigs dig in the ground with their snouts, this would leave them with absolutely nothing.
We all know that animals are a massive part of the food chain but the least we can do is give them a decent life before they go for slaughter.
By:
kenny mann
When: 16 May 15 00:36
Most people don't give a fk, including many on here, 2 of the most popular forumites on here included. The petition might get 4 signatures. Now I realise everyone doesn't share my concern for animal welfare but what difference would a signature make. A few extar pence per half pound of bacon, maybe.
By:
crags
When: 16 May 15 00:39
boar off.. eh eh
By:
crags
When: 16 May 15 00:46
Laugh
By:
crags
When: 16 May 15 00:46
Laugh
By:
crags
When: 16 May 15 00:51
You really are a sad, boring old man with all this animal welfare **** you post on here, kenny. What else have you got?
By:
crags
When: 16 May 15 00:53
.. apart from licking Glimmer's arse
By:
akabula
When: 16 May 15 00:58
I think you're the sad git crags. All mouth and big man from behind your computer.
By:
crags
When: 16 May 15 01:01
How original zzzzzzz
By:
akabula
When: 16 May 15 01:02
What's your motivation? Do you think it makes you the big man? Pray tell us.
By:
kenny mann
When: 16 May 15 01:08
There was, about 9 years ago, a beautiful thread by a poster named drags, in which he superbly, and extremely poignantly described the last days of his beloved dog.It was a terrific thread, although extremely sad, similar to the one Harry Cripps did not long after. It was very well observed and contibuted to thread, and crags only comment (posting as kerrymore then) was get over it, it's only a dog. Spoke volumes about the man.
By:
akabula
When: 16 May 15 01:10
It obviously makes him feel big. Sad really.
By:
crags
When: 16 May 15 01:10
Eh? Just off to bed, what on earth are you talking about man? Aren't I allowed an opinion?

Night
By:
kenny mann
When: 16 May 15 13:09
Link for petition to follow
By:
Money Tree cost me thousands!!
When: 16 May 15 15:05
It's the consumers fault. Naturally people look for the best price.
Then factor in the supermarket price war and it's the farmers and animals that lose out.
By:
crags
When: 16 May 15 16:18
looks like the post that kenny made spewing abuse at me has been removed, and rightly so. I only made a joke, good one as well. Boar off Laugh

Some very touchy people oh here, especially when they've had a drink.
By:
akabula
When: 16 May 15 17:46
Wasn't that funny that you needed to post a laughing emoticon twice in succession. BlushWink
By:
Just Checking
When: 16 May 15 18:01
"kenny mann 16 May 15 01:08 
There was, about 9 years ago, a beautiful thread by a poster named drags, in which he superbly, and extremely poignantly described the last days of his beloved dog."

For all dog lovers, James Stewart fans, Kenny Mann, and anyone with a soul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwGnCIdHQH0
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 16 May 15 18:49
come on kenny where's the link?
By:
kenny mann
When: 16 May 15 18:49
Without looking at the link, that will be the poem James Stewart wrote about his dog, JC. It's terrific, seen it a few times.
By:
kenny mann
When: 16 May 15 18:50
coming up tonight B-B, thanks for your interest.
By:
Just Checking
When: 16 May 15 18:52
Yes Kenny. I know you want to click on it, but don't have any tissues to hand Blush.

(for the TEARS, not the same reason acquise or crags grab tissues when looking at videos LaughDevilBlushWhoopsWink)
By:
TiptheOdds
When: 16 May 15 19:48
If you love dogs, check out this video from Peta, and try to hold back the tears...

http://www.peta.org.uk/blog/were-calling-on-the-eu-to-ban-dog-leather/
By:
Just Checking
When: 16 May 15 20:09
No way I'm clicking on that, don't even want to think about it.

LAst nights c4 program about b*stard poachers killing rhinos for idiot chinese who believe in horn voodoo is enough misery for this month!
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