To all Scottish unionists...

Naw means feckin naw.

INDEPENDENCE = INEVITABLE.

Some people Still seething about the referendum

Is bizarre when you think about, everyone votes for the SNP in Scotland and everyone gets the Conservative leader. They said after the referendum it'll be 10 years at least before another one, I'd give it 5 max.

Well if the country is financially healthier at the end of the next Parliament than it is now I would say no chance of a referendum in five years.

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Jimmy looks rough in that photo, and being on the back benches doesn't put anyone in your pocket!

If the Scottish Unionists like the union, then they should move to England or Belfast.

They already have.

If all Scots were allowed to vote in independence referendum the result would always be no

Alias still seething that only 38% of the electorate voted Yes.
Now we've got a Tory government, no oil and a band of muffin SNP MPs.
Independence? Only chance would be if England voted to get rid of us.

Cameron will give them full financial powers and then sit and watch them tell the Scots about the 7 billion they need to raise.

Nicola might need to sell her helicopter.

Geoestrategy: why some scots want to choose Brussels instead of Westminster? It would be amazing for french or german interests, but not for Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Denmark, Italy and many other european countries that need a strong UK.

Moreover this independence is just to give more power (and money...) to SNP politicians, they just want power!

Wis it just me ,i thought humza was just a wee bit over familiar wi wee nick?

And the result just in to the grandstand studio is...

Scottish national party 56... Ukip (chit chatterers favourites) 1

ALIAS = DICKWEED

Lewis for the ~Spanish GP - get yer dosh doon!

yes voters disgust me. we are all british , born under the union flag.

you had the chance and the people said no. best to just deal with it.

and if you do ever get another referendum the same result will happen.

Some people just don't have a clue, '74.

Good to hear from ya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVCh5APCBw4

S N P will probably want 14yo's to vote next time. cheers.

S N P voters are pish panite fudulikes. Cheers.

The Yes support are still living in their bubble detached from economic reality, believing that there is a money tree being denied to them, and they were robbed, and one last push and it will the promised land of milk and honey, contrary to the facts.

If Cameron decided to give Full Fiscal Autonomy and scrap Barnett, there will be a rude awakening, the SNP say they want it (but arguably don't, it's the posturing) and I believe quite a few Tories want it.

A dose of reality would see the SNP's fox shot..

Won't need 14, 15 or 16 year old votes. The nawbags are dying off in their droves, day by day, week by week, month by month.
And they ain't being replaced.
HTH

Dream On, Plato

Platini 10 May 15 13:50 
Won't need 14, 15 or 16 year old votes. The nawbags are dying off in their droves, day by day, week by week, month by month.
And they ain't being replaced.
HTH Cool


a jocular but very accurate assessment.

Under long term tory rule which it's set to be, independence is inevitable.

SNP deserve credit for wanting to run their own country even though it will have negative impact on standards of living there in the short term.

Winning all those seats deserves a 2nd referendum.

why? we had one and no won by roughly 450k , and although they did well in the election, still only half of all scottish votes were 50% snp.

it won't happen.

Nicola likes attacking the nasty tories for anything bad but
claim the credit for anything good,so she wont go for another
ref until the economic situation is much better.Meanwhile
she has 56 M.P.'s on the gravy train.

Less people voted SNP than voted Yes in the referendum, and the anti-SNP voters were divided across 3 parties under a FPTP system that is ideal for the SNP to benefit when the opposition is divided,
and the SNP campaigngn was that it wasn't about independence it was about trying to leverage powers as part of a Labour coalition.

Some people seem to be getting carried away with themselves...

PS If I wrote

"The Tories dserve credit for wanting austerity even though it will have negative impact on standards of living there in the short term."
I'm sure SNP supporters would be on their high horse. Tories bad, SNP good...

Hi Just Cheating. You've had lots of time now to back up your claim, so where is your evidence of "Salmond's anti English rhetoric"?

Don't be shy, liar.


Tories bad, SNP good... 

There now, even a lying fascist gets it right sometimes.

anti-SNP voters were divided across 3 parties under a FPTP system that is ideal for the SNP to benefit when the opposition is divided


When they set up the Holyrood system, it was designed to avoid single party government. That worked out smashing, eh?

WE WIN BOTH WAYS. Suck it up, liar.

Now we've got a Tory government, no oil and a band of muffin SNP MPs.

No oil? That'll be news to Shell, BP and Co.

How's your "local LibDem MP", akabula? On his erky I supect, unless you live in Orkney.

Why should anyone expect that Scotland will be granted another independence referendum within the next few generations?  It was costly and hugely divisive, not an event the United Kingdom would want to revisit any time soon in my view.  I'm no expert by a long chalk, but I'd imagine such a process can't be instigated merely on the whim of the Scottish parliament, or can it? 

Another important factor to consider would be Scotland's place within the EU if independence was achieved.  Alex Salmond and the SNP seem to think entry can be gained via article 48 as an existing member, but most constitutional analysts maintain that this would be far from certain and, moreover, an application through the customary article 49 would be likely to fail.

Why should anyone expect that Scotland will be granted another independence referendum within the next few generations?

Do you refer to human generations, or mayfly generations?

Who is going to deny a referendum if it is the obvious wish of the Scottish people, and why? Would they, the deniers, be scared of losing? What even makes you think that a referendum is the only way?

As for the EU, let's wait and see first how THAT referendum works out.

I answered your questions in my post, Alias.  Well, except the mayfly one which is beyond comment.

Whats the alternative to a referendum them?

I was wondering that, too, Dotchinite.  It almost came across as a veiled threat.

Are you still there, Alias?  What is the alternative to a referendum?

plebiscite

Nationalist foaming over Nicola reminds me of the euphoria over the election of Obama.
Well, what did he deliver?

Come on then Alias, answer the question.

Alias, alas, seems to have departed.

I doubt some over the border will ever get a decent nights sleep till they get independence.

Alias    10 May 15 16:10 

Who is going to deny a referendum if it is the obvious wish of the Scottish people



Obviously Nationalists would like another vote on independence sooner rather than later but IF you got independence when would you have a referendum to see if Scotland would like to rejoin the union, ten years, twenty years later, never ?


That is something I would like to hear the answer to.

Pokermonster, use your imagination and wait and see. As for Obama, we are not the USA thank phuq, but he did deliver huge improvement in US healthcare. Maybe you'd like to see the UK go totally private though.


Rejoin the union? That might be akin to Poland applying to reform the General Government after the second coming of Hitler.

When independence happens (which it will) in the next few years it will be interesting to see how it works out for them. My suspicion is that a big percentage of their supporters will feel they have been mislead within a year or so.

So much is reliant on the oil price of course and im assuming there wont be any real effort for another referendum until thats at a higher price than today.

Alias    10 May 15 17:28 

Rejoin the union? That might be akin to Poland applying to reform the General Government after the second coming of Hitler


So its ok to push ahead with another referendum within 10 years if its the obvious wish of the Scottish people but if 20 years down the line if the wish of the Scottish people is to rejoin the union that would be a no to a referendum to rejoin  then.

John Swindle running a country and it's economy,I would not sent him to the shops for a pint of milk the guy is a clown.What happened to his Local income tax alternative to the council tax,Abandoned as it was so full of holes and would be a bureacratic nightmare.Be sure if this guy was in charge the working would be paying through the nose to subsidise the benefit claimants.

So much is reliant on the oil price of course and im assuming there wont be any real effort for another referendum until thats at a higher price than today.

No it's not, and there will be another referendum when we are as sure as sure can be to win.

the working would be paying through the nose to subsidise the benefit claimants.


Whereas the working class throughout the UK are paying for the phuckups of the rich and powerful, while the millionaires are awarded tax cuts.

Alias.  Why do I have to use my imagination, sir?  I might arrive at the wrong conclusion.  Why can't you just tell me?  Also, when you write "there will be another referendum when we are as sure as sure can be to win" you imply that such an event is in the control of the Scottish parliament alone.  Surely this isn't the case?

As I see it, another referendum in the near future is a complete non-starter, we've just had one and the decision was clear.

Naw means naw it meant naw in September,it means naw noo and it means naw for a generation ok soapy salmond slippery sturgeon willie cod ,tommy trout and big Freddie fish supper ya shower of piscean plebs ,
Naw means feckin naw.

To 45% of Scottish people it didn't mean naw

Well feck of to nova scotia then!

Poor Alias. If I stretch my imagination I can just about get my head around a grown man bawling his eyes out when his team gets relegated with the last kick of the game at seasons end. But ffs it's months since he was told to go and fucck himself by the Scottish people and he is still sobbing like a toddler who has had his sweets taken off him.

He simply can't be the full shilling so I fully expect him to be in Wee Jimmy Krankie's cabinet. Cultural attache to the ar5e end of somewhere no doubt.

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UK OK

Poor Alias.
When he suggests a referendum might not be the only way to independence he is alluding to UDI similar to Rhodesia all those years ago.
It's a common theme between all SNP activists but especially the Scottish Resistance mob. They live in their own wee world.

BTW scandi it wasn't 45% of Scottish people it was only 38% of Scottish people.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDOFeHNbvLo

That's yer average SNP activist.
BTW Alias makes an appearance at the end of this clip and has plenty to say although they've edited out the silly bits.