BBC Audience yesterday

Always the same with the the BBC. They can't abide any right wing views. They wanted Clarkson out for ages due to his.

in the warped world of the bbc the snp are very popular in london
maybe they should field a few candidates in london

what a glorious day it will be when the good old beeb is SHUT DOWN............i just hope im here to see it

paying for a tv license is really a forced donation to a political party.
the liberal,leftie,ethnic loving,shirtlifting party

A rancid incestuous bunch of freeloaders, make them pay their own way.

The BBC is Hideously Leftist.

crusader2     17 Apr 15 22:53 
Does anyone seriously believe that the audience was a random cross section of the British electorate? I cant have it under any circumstances. I suppose the difficulty is the only people who would wish / agree to form the audience are not representative of the majority / norm.



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That audience was picked by an independant body not the BBC, so nigelFATFACE lied to the whole nation when he accused the BBC of picking a "biased audience"

You're all so funny! Do you all (most) complain for a living? 

Audience was picked by ICM not the BBC. Political make-up of the audience was in these proportions:

5 Labour
5 Conservative
4 LibDem
3 UKIP
2 SNP
2 Green
1 Plaid Cymru

The need for SNP and Plaid Cymru supporters is why, as the Daily Mail complained, some had to be bussed in from Scotland and Wales. The Mail omitted mention of any UKIP members, and the Express counted all non-Conservative/UKIP as left-wing, which ignores the fact that the LibDems are in government with the Tories. On the above figures, both Labour and Conservatives are under-represented, and UKIP are over-represented.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/571294/Nigel-Farage-Ukip-BBC-debate-f...

Bias ?
The Express reported the audience incorrectly ( as stated in Ramruma's post )

Oh, and by the way -
The proprietor of The Daily Express  has just given £1 million to UKIP !!

Easy for the bbc to pass the buck onto a company that wants the bbc's business.

If it was a fair audience how come ukip did not receive one clap during the whole show, and a scottish party got loads ?

It could be something to do with the character of UKIP supporters being more civil and introspective and preferring to listen to the debate than say Labour or certainly SNP supporters.

Or, even UKIP supporters in the audience couldn't believe the utterly inept performance of the pub bore.

they would still clap facts.

People were being applauded for saying spend, spend, spend with no reasoning on how this will be funded.

The point is the BBC may very well have chosen a fair selection but there may be a difference in the character of the different partys supporters...a select rabble will always make itself heard.

The debate took place in London.
London is a foreign city bursting with immigrants.
Its now rock solid Labour.

Labour is the party of immigrants and middle class liberals,they despise the English working class.

UKIP are the the only party standing up for the working class.
Nigel Farage is the only one speaking on their behalf.

I think its interesting really, when listening to these live debates it may be useful to pay more attention to the parties that get the less ethusive support...I think it was Cicero who when giving a speech in ancient Rome and receiving a great reaction from the public turned to his friend and said " What is wrong have I said something stupid"

The audience was picked by an independent body but of course these will be highly paid experts and my be incompetent with no actual skills..

Now if they were to say it would be better if there was a ratio of 5 UKIP supporters to say every 2 SNP and 2 Labour, simply because UKIP supporters tend to be more civil and charming than the rest we might get a fairer perspective.

What does it matter? Nigel nailed it when he pointed out that the "audience" were, actually, the people at home.

so if 10,00 people move here how many extra houses do you need to build,
extra doctors,extra nurse's,extra school places?.

Sturgeon, Milibland and all, OH Nigel blaming immigration again.

next answer Milibland Sturgeon and all

well with the increase in immigration we need to make sure
we train enough doctors ,nurses and build enough homes

yes you all seem to be a bit slower picking up the point that Nigel just made
but as Nigel said you done seem to understand basic arithmetic.

don't

why are talking in riddles, get to the point man

it has now been admitted the audience was heavily weighted to the left

fat bastards

it has now been admitted the audience was heavily weighted to the left



By whom ?

i thought there were supposed to be floating voters in there

it was more like a communist party rally

shame putin couldnt make it

Banal

So yes as everyone thought at the time, it was a biased audience.

"of the 200-strong audience, about 58 were Conservative or Ukip supporters while about 102 supported left-leaning parties - Labour, the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru or the SNP – and the rest were undecided."

Mr Farage said: "If you were to put Ukip and the Conservatives on the centre-right in current opinion polls, we are on about 49 per cent between us. If the audience make-up didn't reflect that then it's wrong.”

So yes, pretty much 2:1 ratio of identified left leaning people in the audience despite the polls being about 50;50 and as noted correctly above by ramruma, an incredible ratio of 1:1 of the hard left Green + PC + SNP socialists (no doubt their obnoxious activist mob) to the tories. There is no way the ratios can be said to be representative of the UK. How many undecided .. were decided?

Er ......the Lib Dems are in a coalition with the Conservatives. hardly to be counted in the audience as left wing.

lol

But it's all irrelevant anyway. Farage still made a complete tlt of himself as usual.

IMHO the audience should be told to shut the **** up or you're out, and then it would be irrelevant, it's pathetic that it's a sort of football match with lots of who can boo/cheer the loudest to try and swing opinion.

I don't think there is any need for a studio audience, just do the debate in front of the cameras with pre-set questions and do not tip anyone off beforehand like they do on Question Time.

Never you mean QT has planted questions

The audience has a great influence on the way a debate is perceived by onlookers.
Of course the BBC are well aware of that, and Farage was up against the rest of the panel and the audience.

It was reminiscent of the hatchet job the BBC did against Nick Griffin and more recently George Galloway.

I was dismayed to see Farage lining up with four lefties to be honest.
I though he got off quite lightly in the circumstances.

No forgetting the subliminal message placing him on the far right of the panel.

the bbc get £168m from the EU, but get far more from the british public but they still treat the biggest payers with disdain.

Massive fan of the bbc but when it comes to politics they need to be neutral.

The audience was a  cross section of the British electorate randomly hand picked by Martin Schulz.

Imagine the uproar if instead of these things being stuffed to the gills with luvvies they stacked it full of people from the right? The howls of outrage would be like a pack of wolves barking at a full moon.

Why is there a big lovefest for the buffoon Farage ?

facts now wants to say it is irrelevant now - except of course it is relevant and it happened - audience was heavily weighted to the other parties as has been admitted by the bbc

facts doesn't like it pointed out

but then he is on their side anyway

Farage was situated to the left of the group...not to the right, as previously mentioned!

^ why let reality get in the way of manic conspiracy theories by the Farage groupies

He was on the right to the tree hugging,rug munching,pillow biting audience ,

naydam 18 Apr 15 21:51
Farage was situated to the left of the group...not to the right, as previously mentioned!

depends on which side you are looking from
but he was on the right hand side of the tele
don't know if it was the same for radio

making plans or nigel

Facts   
18 Apr 15 21:21 
Why is there a big lovefest for the buffoon Farage ?

A much more significant question would be:

Why do the luvvies keep slagging his party off when he has no chance of being in control at No. 10? What are they afraid of?

Another luvvie will have to answer this as I'm one of the 'Magnificent Seven' that Facts has blocked.




Btw, to wander off the subject for a moment, I noticed this morning on the HR forum that Timeform Radio has ceased broadcasting.

One of the posters had started a thread just above it, 'Who would be your guest for the day on Timeform Radio'

Somebody posted 'Facts.'

And just after that somebody else posted words to the effect of 'No chance. His doctor at Rampton won't let him out for a full day.'

lol at the 'liberals are in coalition with tories so their activists can't have been left wing'

I think the BBC do a good job in pi$$ing off both sides of the political spectrum.

Don't forget this is the organisation who had that tree hugging wet Chris Patten at its head, who has for mer young Conservative Nick Robinson as it's political correspondent and who devoted acres of airtime t the funeral of Margaret Thatcher.

I think they need to keep in with the top brass of whatever political party is in charge in order to keep the license fee going.

Having said that it was blatantly obvious, without Nigel Farage having to mention it, that the audience for the debate gave him no support whatsoever. It seemed unfair and that was compounded by Danny Alexander getting away with the line about UKIP's 'disgusting' utterances in the debate completely unchallenged.

Whatever your politics, unfairness is just not on and Thursday night was unfair, bordering on manipulative for me.

Nobody takes the BBC seriously anymore they no longer have any credibility in the eyes of the world. Because they sacrificed their impartiality for their globalisation agenda.
They can only survive in their current form through the television tax, that's why they scared  togo subscription. Cowards that they are.

& no political party will even dare to close them down with the power they have, but it needs to be done sooner rather than later.

No it doesn't - otherwise you get Fox Network and loads of ads.

Personally I trust my bullsh1t detectors to let me know - like Thursday evening - when I'm being manipulated. Like I said, they seem to pi$$ off everyone, so they're doing something right

What's this paranoid obsession with fox news?
We live in a country that also already have ITV and Channel 4.

i fully believe that the audience was representative of the polls, i reckon about 13 to 15% were UKIP voters.

However, I also reckon that they were ****cared to applaud anything Farage said.

UKIP certainly is a magnet for some nasty racist bigots, but i also imagine that there are plenty of people with left wing views approaching communism in the labour party.

Given that UKIP are quite clearly a single issue party (the clue is in the name), the fanciful demonisation of the party, its supporters and the flagrant and shameless hypocrisy is quite staggering.

Never understand why people mention fox news, are they an british news channel ?

like a ukip voter would be scared to applaud, walofs

Ibrahima Sonko     19 Apr 15 10:12 
Never understand why people mention fox news, are they an british news channel ?



Because it represents all that is wrong in journalism and reporting of news. It's tabloid paper equivalent. Lurid headlines and biased, dumb downed controversial statements. Bit like Sky news and anything to do with the Murdoch  empire.
But worse !

There is good reason for UKIP supporters to be fearful, in London they are in a foreign country, it takes courage to put their point of view on tv.

Anyone doubting the bias within the BBC only needs to watch Andrew Marr interviewing Cameron this morning, constantly interrupting and stopping the Prime Minister from answering to such a degree that he even said if you give me 30 seconds I shall answer you ! It is laughable to deny a bias exists within BBC news department.

Ibrahima Sonko 19 Apr 15 10:13 
like a ukip voter would be scared to applaud, walofs


because your image of them is of a proud and frothing racist.

not a quiet, intelligent person who is concerned about our membership of the european union and who has legitimate concerns about our immigration policy, without holding a single racist view, but fully aware that the press and large portions of the public delight in painting UKIP and its followers as rabid swivel eyed racist loons.

how on earth do you know what my image of them is

Treetop


If Marr didn't question what was being said, he may as well have a cardboard cut out of Cameron in the seat, with a tape spewing out the usual smooth ' Marketing speak '  lies.

The ' bias reporting ' was equally evident by ITV in the First tv debate. The questioning by Paxman was very different to Camerin  than it was to Milliband(personal slurs). The audience were muted when Cameron was on, but very animated/ negative when Milliband was on. Even to the point that Kay Burley had to have her personal snide comment to Milliband.

The BBC has confirmed that the hand-picked audience for the opposition leaders’ debate was left leaning, despite claiming otherwise live on air.

Out of all the audience members who had declared a party allegiance, only three marked themselves down as UKIP out of a total of 22.

With five selected to represent the Conservatives, that means at best 36 per cent – just over a third – put their ideology as right-of-centre.

After persistent quizzing, the Daily Express managed to get the BBC and ICM to reveal how the audience members were chosen. It confirms that Nigel Farage was correct when he said those present at Westminster Central Hall were “a remarkable audience even by the left-wing standards of the BBC.”

Chairman David Dimbleby denied that claim. He said: “This is an audience that has been carefully chosen not by the BBC, but by an independent polling organisation to represent the balance between all parties.”

The audience was narrowed down to five supporters each for Labour and the Tories, four for the Liberal Democrats, three for UKIP, two each for the SNP and Greens and one for Plaid. In addition, one fifth of the audience was made up of ‘undecided voters’ from within a certain radius around Westminster.

This is not the first time the methodology of ICM, the polling company used by the BBC,  has been challenged.

Before the 2013 county council elections, which were considered the break through for UKIP, ICM had the party at nine per cent. Weeks later it romped home with an average of 26 per cent of the vote where it fielded candidates.

And ahead of the European Elections, where UKIP were the decisive victors, ICM had the party on 11 per cent support; less than half of what they polled a month later.

Farage’s attack on the audience came after he was booed for his views on immigration.

Labour leader Ed Miliband told the UKIP leader,  “It’s never a great idea to attack the audience, Nigel, in my opinion.” Farage replied “The real audience are sitting at home.”

However, statistics by Survation for the Daily Mirror after the debate showed the Conservatives did the best out of the night by not taking part, rising four percentage points, and of those present only Farage increased his party’s popularity, going up one point to 17 per cent.

Speaking after the findings, the UKIP leader said: “Sometimes these things go wrong, sometimes you get groups who apply to be on programmes who perhaps aren’t as truthful on their applications as they could be.

“In this case, the BBC gave the job to a polling company called ICM who are famous for getting everything about Ukip wrong and that I think was the mistake.”

And he told Breitbart London, “ICM got us wrong in 2013, wrong in 2014 and they’ve got us wrong again in 2015. The BBC needs to use a polling company with a better track record.”

“The night of the by-election that Douglas Carswell won in Clacton with a landslide, there was a Ukip representative – Patrick O’Flynn – on Question Time in Clacton and the audience were deeply hostile to him,” he added.

A spokesman from the BBC said: “All the broadcasters and the political parties agreed that the appropriate way to recruit audiences for debates was to ask a respected independent polling organisation to do the job on our behalf.

“That was the case for all the debates in 2010, for the Clegg/Farage debates last year, as well as for both the debates during this campaign – ICM has an established track record of recruiting the audiences for all these debates.”

ICM defended its recruitment process, saying it was “premised on orthodox random location selection techniques.”

It said 30 geographical areas were selected within a 20-mile radius of the venue, as well as a small number of SNP and Plaid Cymru supporters from Scotland and Wales.

Left wing and right wing are stupid statements anyway.

Nobody, imo, is completely on one side or the other.

Ask somebody on here who is termed as a left winger to list 10 things they want done by the govt.


Ask somebody who is termed as a right winger on here to list 10 things they want done by the govt.

If you don't get any matches, get them to list another 10, you'll get matches sooner or later, proving that it's all bollocks.

Out of all the audience members who had declared a party allegiance, only three marked themselves down as UKIP out of a total of 22