Nicola Sturgeon

Nicola giving you wood?

aye laddie

tasty

Own goal from the SNP having Salmond drive the Independence debate,if Nicola had been in charge we would have has a resounding YES vote.

best performer today - Nicola

not only Andy Murray ....... perhaps the leader of a Lab SNP coalition.

She holds the power of that there can be no doubt and I for one am glad of that.

no real surprise with wee nicola. She chewed up all the opposition in the referendum debates (one of them even had to be subbed, and she ripped a new one for the sub as well)

Hail Our Glorious Leader

sturgeon must have a fecking stash somewhere where she paying for all this ffs

Sturgeon gets to talk about offering people lots of things without having to say how she'll pay for it.

Left wing folk like this .... as they realise the person eventually paying for things isn't going to be them

MisterBadger   
02 Apr 15 22:06 
I wood, and all that free caviar as well

You must be uglier and more desperate than I imagined.

to be fair the alternatives to Nicola aint up to much viva Nicola go get em girl

TAX  TAX TAX TAX TAX

AND OPEN THE BORDERS - LET AS MANY FKRS IN AS WE CAN TO SHG THE TORIES AND THE ENGLANDERS


I so hate nationalists - don't you - and I mean any of them - not just scottie ones

I'd sooner have a Jodrell.

I wouldn't touch NS with yours, I'd feel like I'm doing a Krankie, ugh.

"Doing a Krankie" .. I'm now going to start using that to mean a number 2 :)

The S.N.P. seem to have convinced traditional Labours
that they will be better off with them. The collapse in
the Oil price has just been shrugged off.

Labour Party will be wiped out in Scotland in the General election. It`s a bit ironic that they endorsed the Union to save the Labour Party down south in the Westminster Parliament and have ended up committing political suicide in Scotland. We had a chance to get rid of the Tories for eternity and all the traditional Labour supporters in Scotland who voted YES won`t forget the betrayal and won`t vote Labour again. And that`s a FACT. tmm Reporting from the Crail Bunker.

The forty fivers never got over getting that pasting.

EO you have always struck me as an intelligent poster, particularly on politics, and it would be interesting to hear your view?

mighty

Sturgeon has crept up on me. I'd never really rated her and thought she rode on Salmond's coat tails but she seems to be bringing a more measured approach and has lost some of her former shrillness. I think she came in under the radar tonight and has surprised a lot of people (myself included) by her performance but she did benefit by the attention not being on her and the fact that she knew the Westminster brief better than the others knew Scotland's and so she got a very easy ride.

I don't agree with your central contention. We are all guilty of sometimes substituting what we want to happen for what will happen and convincing ourselves it is therefore a fait accompli. Let's not forget that a pretty big majority of Scots didn't want independence despite the yes group running a really good and positive campaign. That's relevant because people got really carried away with "what was going to happen" and were dumbfounded when it didn't. The silent majority always speaks in the end.

My view is that the SNP will send a bigger contingent to Westminster for sure but that Labour and indeed Lib Dem will still send a good number. I certainly don't see any kind of wipe out as per your prediction.

EO, I never thought that I would ever see the day when one could get 14/1 on the Labour Party to have most seats in Scotland at a General Election and tbh I wouldn`t bet them @ 1000/1. They were canvassing here very recently and got a hostile reception and I think they were generally shocked at the number of traditional and lifetime Labour supporters who informed them that they were switching their vote to the SNP, particularly since this is historically a Labour stronghold and has never ever elected an MP other than a Labour candidate, even with the boundary changes over the years. Assuming that this trend is similar all over the country, then I think they must be extremely worried.

Nicola is a very intelligent debater and a very shrewd cookie and it`s possible that the result would have been very different on the Indy vote if she had been at the helm. Alex Salmond is a good politician and fights tooth and nail for his constituents, but many were put off voting YES due to the dislike of his persona.

Interesting betting market on the number of Labour seats in Scotland. What would your money be on EO?

Eeternaloptimist
Eeternaloptimist 03 Apr 15 02:03 Joined: 28 Jun 10 | Topic/replies: 30,484 | Blogger: Eeternaloptimist's blog
The forty fivers never got over getting that pasting

A curious comment from one who claimed to be a YES voter.

When he was an M.P. wee Eck used to fight tooth and nail
for his £400 a month grub allowance.

"A combination of Suzi Quatro and Sir Alex Ferguson"

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/england-strangely-drawn-to-terrifying-scottish-woman-2015040397044

Eeternaloptimist
The forty fivers never got over getting that pasting
The 38ers when you look at it as a %age of the electorate. (for Alias)

Yes Nicola was very impressive but then again she normally is as she spouts all the 'we will give you this' and 'we will give you that' rubbish.
The YES campaigns financial model depended on an oil price of $100+. With this decimated and the oil industry in turmoil Scotland would have went the way of Greece.
God knows the mentality of the YES voters who would still seek independence despite this. We'd be living off Tatties and Neeps.

What gets me about Nicola was her claim during the referendum that SNP would "grow the population" as if this would solve all.

aka,

irrational hatred of the English is all what the YES campaign is about.

They'd much prefer to cut of their nose to spite their face.

current collapse in the oil price is irrelevant unless you're prepared to discuss umpteen previous years of massive oil prices, and the billions in revenue that an indep Scotland would have gained from it.

@Platini
We are talking about independence and the effect that a reduction in oil prices would have had on an independent Scotland.
Not only would we have seen a massive black hole in our funding we would have been faced with an industry crying out for investment meaning even more help from the government.
Historical revenues are irrelevant to that argument.

@Wesdag
Spot on. The Union has served us well but people go on about the oil revenues since the fields became productive but forget about the hundreds of years prior to that.
BETTER TOGETHER

She was given the same easy time as the Greens and Plaid Cymru.

Came across very well but her plan is simply spenidning more on NHS,Welfare and Education by borrowing more

sorry Aka, you can't have your cake and eat it. Current price is irrelevant unless historical price is discussed.

What would you hope to achieve by discussing historical prices? All you can hope for is a fair share of the national debt.

Well enlighten me Plat as I can't see what help the historical price of oil would have been to Scotland had the YES campaigners succeeded.

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Im sold.  Where do I go to vote for Nicola´s party??

The YES campaigns financial model depended on an oil price of $100+. With this decimated and the oil industry in turmoil Scotland would have went the way of Greece.
God knows the mentality of the YES voters who would still seek independence despite this. We'd be living off Tatties and Neeps.

$100 p/b based on UK govt figures which were £10 p/b HIGHER.

Oh, and all this time I believed you akabula. Nothing to do with oil, it was "all based on a Braveheart theme" - nowt to do with oil.

akabula
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Well enlighten me Plat as I can't see what help the historical price of oil would have been to Scotland had the YES campaigners succeeded.


No matter the historical price. If Scotland had been independent in the 1970s, we'd have had a huge oil fund now, like Norway. Instead, Thatcher and co blew it all.

Amazing how many top economists there are around this forum, innit. DAVID CAMERON - "It would be wrong to suggest that Scotland could not be another such successful, independent country. ." AND the TIMES agreed with him. AND we will be.

Scotland could be a successful independent country but the immediate reality would be a long way from Sturgeon's utopia.
But maybe, with her renowned negotiating skills, she could get rump UK to waive Scotland's share of the debt (£100 billion) then find a few hundred billion from behind the sofa as a farewell present. Oh and Scotland can keep the pound so that RUK can bail her out when she occasionally gets her sums wrong.

Funny, I've never heard her mention Utopia.

I heard her mention the word "free" several times last night.

Free prescriptions, free university places, more money for education, hospitals, benefits. Perhaps not utopia but it all costs money which we don't have.

It's certain that the UK wouldn't want a failed state on it's border so would probably be generous and I for one would wish Scotland well.
Would the Eu be accommodating? Who knows, they already have Greece to pay for.

Could lead to a another wave of mass immigration.

Free prescriptions, free university places, more money for education, hospitals, benefits.

We already get all that in Bonnie Scotland.

Could lead to a another wave of mass immigration.

You mean like the Highland clearances which led to the mass emigration of Scots to America and Australia.

Exactly!

Could Scotland afford it post independence? Who will lend you the money?

If you mean NO voters heading south, then I hope you are right, it`ll save us the bother deporting them

We can easily afford it foinavon, we are a rich country.

And it would be easier supporting 5 million than 55 million in the UK.

@Alias
The question was what relevance would historical oil prices have if Scotland had gained independence in 2014?
For those who don't know the Yessers only managed to convince 38% of the electorate to vote in favour of independence.

@mac
Of course we have all those things thanks to being a member of The Union.

Nicola Sturgeon

Is that a wig on her head or the worst hair since Russ Abbot's Jimmy?

Aka, I`m sure you`ll concede that the Yessers, who normally don`t vote in elections, will all be out voting in the GE, where the equivalent of the no-nos will not be seen on the radar.

The invention of money was the biggest con trick in human history. Workers slog their guts out, then get given some bits of paper at the end of the week to buy things that they manufactured in the first place. We should all go back to the barter system. Trading goods for goods. All them rich bankers and all the elite scroungers who live off the back of working people would all have to get off their lazy butts and actually do some work to survive.

More than a passing resemblance to Jimmy Krankie,Bet she doesn't look her best until she has had a shave and put her slap on in the morning.

99% of Workers who slog their guts out working all their lives end up with sfa and the elite classes who contribute nothing get all the rewards by exchanging pieces of paper in the stock market.

Hope you are right The Mighty Mac as I suspect that Nicola will be tempted to go for it again before too long. (and she's definitely a winner not a quitter).

They asked Nicola to be the face of No No and she said she would but only if they changed the name to Yes Yes.
I bet you wee Eck is fuming that he wasn't on that stage.

BTW I've asked Alias this question four or five times without a reply.
As part of their spiel the SNP always bring up food banks and say how terrible that they exist and that in an Independent Scotland they would make sure they weren't needed.
Now I'm not arguing with the sentiments but why haven't the SNP addressed them as they have the means at hand in the Scottish Parliaments powers.
They have for instance the power to raise a further 2p in the pound through income tax. So why hasn't the SNP acted before now?

Akabula the SNP are s hit scared to raise taxes,A few years ago whilst in dispute with my council over the ammount of community tax i was paying compared to my neighbours I got a letter from John Swinndle saying it would not matter as personal income tax was about to replace the community tax.What happened to that bright idea.All off the current lot in Holyrood would not kow they had s hite on their shoes unless they tasted it,Run a country would be beyond them.

^^ Local income tax (should read before postin doh)

Why do the snp feel they have the right to split Britain up? The only reason there is an England Scotland and Wales is because of the Romans then the invading Germanic tribes, before that we were one Keltic people.
The border that divides what is now called England and Scotland is basically a few miles from the Roman great divide.  A wall built along Britain’s narrowest points East to West. In other words an artificial divide nothing to do with race or culture.
Maybe its time for a political party of British unity instead of divide.

@macaroni
We aint even a united people.
The term sassenachs was actually used by the highlanders to describe those in the borders and their description of those in the certral belt was rather derogatory.
Thank God that only just over a third voted yes. I think that it is a despicable act to try and break up the Union.

But you take my point we were once one island one people. is it not time to reaffirm British culture and identity?

I agree with you and the only thing that unites us is we are British.
There are differences throughout the Union and that was the point I was trying to make.
Whilst it's good to have separate identities in sports for instance I love the Olympics where we compete as one.
BETTER TOGETHER

A curious comment from one who claimed to be a YES voter.

Not so curious if you know your Scottish history Alias and yes I did vote for independence.

Interesting betting market on the number of Labour seats in Scotland. What would your money be on EO?

I'd be interested on seeing that market mighty. There may be a little juice in a higher number of Labour MP's returned than may be being predicted. I understand this feeling that there has been a sea change in the political landscape but looking at how things are now configured this needs to be totally seismic to see SNP overtake Labour. Of course that may be as is being predicted a foregone conclusion. My gut feeling is that things will move back to Labour in the next few weeks. Whether that is enough to see them retain their lead I don't know but if 14-1 is available I've seen a lot worse shouts. Can it possibly be that the game changer could be a red herring? I'll put it this way if it isn't then the electorate are voting in a very peculiar way. The people of Scotland always knew Labour were pro union and as I pointed out before they also voted by a fair majority to maintain the status quo. So who do they want to kick and why? If anybody it should be themselves. It gets ore peculiar. That they would seek to register a protest vote in a general election doesn't stack up for me. It's never been the case before. Don't forget the morning after the first leaders debate last tie around the papers were full of Lib Dems leading the polls stories. What happened? Clegg walked on water but the party actually lost seats. I short I'd happily back Labour at 14-1 against the SNP as I don't think it can logically be any bigger than half those odds irrespective of what the polls are saying right now because history has shown us that the final weeks concentrates peoples minds.

Best to have a look around for the best odds EO but WH prices are:

0-5 5/1
6-10 3/1
11-15 3/1
16-20 4/1
21-25 5/1
26-30 7/1
31-35 7/1
36-40 9/1
41-45 20/1
46+ 20/1

Regards Labour getting most seats, Bookies have read your post, lol. Again you have to shop around but all I can see with firms is half them odds about 7/1 like you stated. You can get 13.5 on BF but for peanuts. However one can lay SNP for about 1k @ 1.1 but I`d advise you against it, lol.

Interested to hear what price regards total Labour seats appeals to you regards value?

akabula
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@macaroni
We aint even a united people.
The term sassenachs was actually used by the highlanders to describe those in the borders and their description of those in the certral belt was rather derogatory.
Thank God that only just over a third voted yes. I think that it is a despicable act to try and break up the Union.

"We ain't even a united people" - No, there are you royalty loving, tory bum kissing huns, and the rest of us.

You keep telling the YESSERS (45% of those who voted) to "get over it" etc, yet YOU are obsessed with continuing posts like the above. You also insist on adding ABSTAINERS as if they'd voted No.

Get used to the "despicable act". The union itself was seen a s a despicable act when it was enacted. NO universal suffrage then of course, but anti union riots all over Scotland because of the betrayal by the ruling class. The sun is setting on your corrupt union.

akabula

akabula
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BTW I've asked Alias this question four or five times without a reply.

Vacuous nonsense. WHO created the current conditions|?

How many questions have I asked you without reply? Here's one again:
IF Scotland is such a drain on the union, WHY were the Tories so desperate to keep us in it?

OH, and please explain your wonderful classic:
"It's all based on a Braveheart theme"..............akabula, until you wriggle yourself out of that claptrap, I'll never take anything you post seriously, and neither should anyone else.

IF Scotland is such a drain on the union, WHY were the Tories so desperate to keep us in it?

Firstly no one has claimed that Scotland is a drain. Secondly Alias what is it that you fail to get about BETTER TOGETHER?
That means it's better for England, better for Scotland, better for Wales and better for Northern Island if we are all together.
Get it? BETTER TOGETHER.



It's all based on a Braveheart theme"..............akabula, until you wriggle yourself out of that claptrap, I'll never take anything you post seriously, and neither should anyone else.

On here I constantly asked why we should consider going it alone. The theme running through everyone's reply was we'd be a Free nation.
Freedom! Get it? Freedom!
When pointed out that the Yes campaign had failed to give us financial detail and there was uncertainty over various things like EU membership all that came back was "but we'll be free".
Was claptrap and you know it Alias. Oh and I forgot the old chestnut "we'll get rid of the Tories".
This despite the worst governments in living memory were led by 2 Labour Stalwarts. Well actually 2 Scottish Labour stalwarts.

"We ain't even a united people" - No, there are you royalty loving, tory bum kissing huns, and the rest of us.

I've only just this second noticed that. Says a lot about you Alias. I knew you were obsessed but didn't realise you were a bigot.
Shame on you for that comment although on reflection I'm not too surprised as you do tend to throw insults about like half bricks.

Get used to the "despicable act". The union itself was seen a s a despicable act when it was enacted. NO universal suffrage then of course, but anti union riots all over Scotland because of the betrayal by the ruling class. The sun is setting on your corrupt union.

Until the referendum you may with some legitimacy have been able to make the above statement Alias but you'll never have a better time for a yes vote and you were sent running for the hills quicker than the remnants at Culloden. You need to deal with reality or the bitterness will rot you from within. The people of Scotland heard what you had to say and after giving it serious consideration they closed the door in your face. You can stand there ranting and raving. You can wait silently for them to change their minds. Or you can limp away with all the dignity you can muster but that door ain't opening again. No sir. And even if it does you'll be getting a chamber pot tipped over your head next time you impertinent wretch.

EO - and this from a YES voter?

As you no doubt well know, we are talking about a movement, not an ephemeral flash in the pan. You can't defeat an ideal, and it's growing. We can wait a while longer.


akabula, you calling anyone a bigot is beyond hilarious. Now if you really think the "bubble" (I don't identify one) is about to burst, away you go and fill your boots. Some big prices about for a confident unionist punter like you.

Well actually 2 Scottish Labour stalwarts.  Correct, even if "Labour" when applied here is something of a misnomer.

Now I'm not arguing with the sentiments but why haven't the SNP addressed them as they have the means at hand in the Scottish Parliaments powers. As you well know, the Scottish govt have limited tax varying powers, but nothing like the power to roll back Tory cuts. Hands tied springs to mind. Why haven't your heroic LibDems done something to eradicate poverty while in government? Malcolm Bruce on STV earlier saying LibDems are "party of the workers", ffs. Must be on something, he thinks he's Lenin.

PS

No, there are you royalty loving, tory bum kissing huns, and the rest of us.



Explain what's bigoted please akabula.

PPS

BTW I've asked Alias this question four or five times without a reply.

Show me the posts please akabula. Never noticed them.

Maybe its time for a political party of British unity instead of divide.

That's some good sh1t you're on.

Alias  • April 7, 2015 6:51 PM BST 
No, there are you royalty loving, tory bum kissing huns, and the rest of us.

Is that the official party line? And are you saying that applies to the 2m+ voters who had the good sense to vote NO?
A defector to Labour because the party is hoping for a Tory victory!
What a party. Supported by you Alias a Blairite!