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Rochdale mussy's arrested trying to enter Syria...
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Is it illegal for them to go to Syria? Using proper border control points, obviously.
Is it illegal to join ISIS? Is it even illegal to fight for them? I've never heard these points mentioned in any of the news reports. Is this different to British mean fighting in the Spanish civil war? |
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Yes. The Britons who fought in the Spanish Civil War were fighting AGAINST the evil of Fascism. The Peace-lovers making their way to Syria are fighting FOR Fascism, which the world is supposedly at war with.
Hope that helps. |
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Which leads to the question of whether or not Fascism is actually evil, or just perceived as such.
As in the case of ISIS, it is often said that 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter'. Is it acceptable for people to go to Syria to fight AGAINST ISIS? Or is it just wrong to travel to a 'war-zone'? |
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Arse-rape with an overcooked pork chop.
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lybertyne
04 Apr 15 12:07 Joined: 18 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 3,668 | Blogger: lybertyne's blog Arse-rape with an overcooked pork chop. We are supposed to be punishing them not giving them pleasure, you know they love it, |
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alun2005
04 Apr 15 10:41 Joined: 11 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 25,218 | Blogger: alun2005's blog Yes. The Britons who fought in the Spanish Civil War were fighting AGAINST the evil of Fascism. The Peace-lovers making their way to Syria are fighting FOR Fascism, which the world is supposedly at war with. Hope that helps. would you class this as evil? Red Terror estimates of those murdered by the communists up to 70 000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_%28Spain%29 |
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Horrible indeed.
Where oh where were the people in the 1930s who just wanted to sit and have afternoon tea in a Lyons Corner House ? Eh? Sheesh, some people. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Spain)
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Excerpt from the above:
For example, in the province of Córdoba the victims of the White Terror number 9,579 (the historian Francisco Moreno Gomez has increased the number to 11,581). On the other hand, the victims of the Red Terror in the same province come to 2,060. Other provincial number breakdowns are as follows: Sevilla province: White Terror 8,000, Red Terror 480; Granada province: White Terror 5,048 (including the poet Federico García Lorca), Red Terror 994; Zaragoza province: White Terror 6,029, Red Terror 742; Valencia province: White Terror 3,128, Red Terror 2,844; Málaga province: White Terror 7,000, Red Terror 2,607; Navarra: White Terror 2,789, Red Terror zero; Zamora province: White Terror 3,000, Red Terror zero; Valladolid province: White Terror 3,430, Red Terror zero; La Rioja: White Terror 2,000, Red Terror zero; Asturias: White Terror 5,592; Cádiz province: White Terror 3,000, Red Terror 95; and in the eastern part of the province of Badajoz, the White Terror killed 6,600 while the Red Terror claimed 243. |
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So its fair to say there was no good side in the Spanish civil war
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It seemed like you were trying to make out one was worse than the other. The statistics bear this out. Just not the side you wanted.
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Yes. The Britons who fought in the Spanish Civil War were fighting AGAINST the evil of Fascism. The Peace-lovers making their way to Syria are fighting FOR Fascism, which the world is supposedly at war with.
Hope that helps. Both sides were evil but only one is seen as evil by some |
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Indeed.
Each to his own obviously, but I'll personally give going to Syria to settle with the Peace-Lovers of ISIS a miss. If anyone wants to leave obviously I won't stand in their way. |
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But what if they want to return? Surely, THAT is the problem from the British resident's point of view? If they are not acting illegally, then they are fully entitled to return home.
I'm not asking for personal feelings of what should be done. Is it actually against the law?  |
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A few have been done on the "Preparing acts of terrorism" score without too much bother.
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The more the merrier.
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Alun. Are these people who have come back from Syria or maybe tried to get into Syria? Or are they people who were preparing for terrorist activities in Britain?
What I'm trying to ascertain is: Were they charged simply because they had been, or wanted to go, to Syria? What was the outcome? |
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"Isis ‘tentacles’ spreading in Muslim community, warns Rochdale imam"
An imam in Rochdale has warned that the “tentacles of Isis” are spreading far and fast through the Muslim community as it emerged that a local Labour councillor’s son was among nine people from the town arrested on the Turkish-Syrian border. It is not yet clear why Manchester University politics student Waheed Ahmed, the 21-year-old son of Rochdale councillor Shakil Ahmed, had travelled to Hatay province in Turkey. He was detained by Turkish authorities on Wednesday as part of a group believed to include his aunt, Zadia Bi, two of her sons, one of the son’s wives and children aged one, three, eight and 11. But Irfan Chishti, an imam from the Rochdale Council of Mosques, who has worked for the government’s anti-radicalisation programme Prevent, said he was very worried about young people in Rochdale being radicalised by Islamist hardliners. Before his Friday sermon at the Chashtiah mosque on Milkstone Road in Rochdale, Chishti said he would warn his congregation against radicalisation and urge them to resist the lure of Islamic State. “No one is immune to it. The tentacles of Isis really are spreading so quickly, not just into homes but into palms, via the internet on phones. We have got smartphones that are making us dumb. Isis is not in any way Islamic and we need to push back harder to say it’s not. We have to be pushing this message shrewdly to counter Isis’s narrative,” he said. At the Bilal mosque in Rochdale, Mohammed Mushtaq, a mosque committee member, delivered a special message to parents and young people, according to local Labour councillor Sultan Ali, who was cabinet member for community cohesion until last year. “They got the message about people being groomed and influenced by Isis, that it’s not the done thing, that we want to live in a cohesive society, that we should keep an eye on another, support one another, be alert,” said Ali. Waheed, who is due to finish his degree in politics and sociology this year, had recently expressed worries about getting a job on graduation, according to one person who had spoken to Councillor Ahmed since news broke of his son’s detainment. On Friday, officers from Greater Manchester police were searching the family home Waheed shared with his brother and parents. His father represents Kingsway ward on the council, alongside Karen Danczuk, wife of the town’s Labour MP, Simon Danczuk. Greater Manchester police confirmed they were searching four addresses: two in Rochdale and two in nearby Heywood. “There remains no update in respect of the nine people or any timescale for their possible return to the UK. No arrests have been made as part of this investigation and we will not be offering any information or guidance as to the identities of the nine,” said a force spokesman. Assistant Chief Constable Ian Wiggett said: “What is obviously concerning is why a family were seemingly attempting to take very young and vulnerable children into a war zone. Such a volatile and dangerous environment is no place for them whatsoever.” It remains unclear what Waheed and his travelling companions were doing on the Turkish-Syrian border. In an interview with the Daily Mail on Thursday night, his father suggested his son had perhaps gone on holiday but strayed too near to the border. He had earlier put out a statement saying he had thought Waheed was on a work experience placement in Birmingham. The holiday explanation was believed by very few people the Guardian spoke to in Rochdale, though many believed the group may have been heading to Syria to carry out humanitarian work. In Rochdale, Bassat Yousaf said he had known Waheedsince childhood and was shocked at his arrest in Turkey. Yousaf, 21, said his friend had been collecting money for victims of the Syria conflict before he learned he had gone to Turkey. Describing Waheed as a nice, quiet guy, he said: “We used to talk about Palestine and Syria and he sometimes collected charity money. I used to see him collecting a lot of charity money for people whose homes have been blown up. “He was out collecting charity for people in Syria, knowing the person for that long – that’s the only thing I can think of. It was money for Syria. They made a lot of badges and shirts, people wearing Palestinian, Syria shirts.” Outside a mosque on Crawford Street, converted from a pub with the help of Councillor Ahmed, a group of youths said they went to Springhill high school in Rochdale with Waheed. They insisted he was a “good lad” who always encouraged them to go to the mosque and pray. They warned that the media presence was adding to an already tense atmosphere in the town. “There’s a lot of racial tension here already,” said one 21-year-old, who said he was a friend of Waheed’s brother Moin, but did not want to be named. “These things add up. I think it’s going to explode at some point and people will get hurt.” Reporters were spat at and had their cameras shoved by some worshippers after Friday prayers at the Neeli mosque in Hare Street, Rochdale, where it is believed Waheed sometimes prayed. After prayers, one man told journalists: “People are shamed about what’s happening. Rochdale is brought into the light again for negative reasons. Muslims are being stigmatised.”  Ali, the local councillor, said he was confident Rochdale would not see the sort of race riots which erupted in neighbouring Oldham in 2001. “Things like this don’t help with community cohesion but I think Rochdale is big enough to come through this. “Rochdale has had a lot to put up with in recent times. Yes, feelings are running high. Had it been another town – we had the riots in Oldham; we worked hard to stop it spreading to Rochdale. I wouldn’t wish it on anybody because it’s just not nice for humanity but I think Rochdale is very, very tolerant. That’s why we’ve not had that explosion.” Rochdale has links with Syria. Alan Henning, the Salford cab driver who was beheaded by Isis last autumn, was taken hostage while driving an ambulance for Rochdale Aid 4 Syria, which raised money on behalf of Al-Fatiha Global, a British-based organisation which provides humanitarian aid to those caught up in warzones. But Yasmine Nahlawi, advocacy and policy coordinator for Rethink Rebuild Society, a charity representing the Syrian community in Greater Manchester, said she had not heard of a group from Rochdale heading out recently to carry out humanitarian aid in Syria. She said: “Those who want to help the Syrian people can do so by donating to registered charities that have established and verifiable links to groups in need,” adding that Rethink Rebuild Society maintains a list of such groups. “We do not recommend that people travel to Syria given the increasing complexity of the conflict. With that said, we hope that this incident will not place undue scrutiny upon humanitarian aid work carried out in Syria.” |
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Well, if either of the kids aged 8yrs or 11yrs were girls, I would suggest that they were all going to a wedding!
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6 released today, i find it hard how people who want to join a group that want to murder non believers are allowed back into society without a problem.
Worrying times ahead. |
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I can see no other reason other than they are under surveillance..
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