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Tonight's drinking game, Miliband "I have to tell you "
Tonight's drinking game, Miliband "I have to tell you "
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He gave cameron a hard time but Cameron didn't show he was rattled, Ed fell apart from the off.
He drilled Cameron on contracts, spending, cuts, tried to portray hims a posh boy who would't lower himself to a poorly paid job, grilled on broken promises on imigration etc. You're just forgetting it already, and he didn't fall apart. This is like a job interview to run the country. |
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I'm not forgetting anything.
The audience questions and treatment of milliband was far tougher. Paxman was hard on both of them. |
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Paxman cast barbs about Clarkson, Lord Green and Coulson - Cameron said let me take these one by one and never got to Coulson...
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I'd have preferred to see a proper debate between them both.
Why won't Cameron do it? |
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hes chicken
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I watched PM's questions on budget day. Cameron is light years ahead as an orator. But he has had a fair bit of practise at the helm of the ship.
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It's like a close football or boxing match - everyone watching sees the one they prefer or want to win as being the better.
(As predicted) |
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Because a debate is a battle of personalities and on that measure Cameron is so far ahead of Miliband, he'll probably lose share even if he wins it. Also the general theory is the debates are harder on the incumbent, he's in a no win scenario from the minute he accepts.
Blair refused to do them, it's not like we didn't have TV a decade ago. |
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Not sure I understand the "even if he wins, he'll lose" argument.
If his personality is better and his policies are better and so on, he'd be an idiot not to jump at the opportunity. |
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Maybe the reason you think Paxman was so hard is because Ed really is like a wimpy schoolboy, Paxman was like a man grilling a naughty schoolboy not a man interviewing a man.
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Paxo is a Tory...explains all.
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If he's ahead by a large margin, and he wins by a little or draws, I think the argument is it'll still pull things towards the average.
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Ed has had a torrid week. I think his confidence has gone.
Paxo sticking the boot in won't help either. No wonder he was tearful. Paxo got personal near the end and that almost pushed Ed over the edge but he just about held it together. |
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Paxman was just insulting and not really on topic at the end.
I do, however, think Paxman was hard on them both. I very much think the audience questions and way of addressing Milliband were harder than what Cameron had to deal with. We differ in 2 areas; 1. I didn't think Milliband was as rattled as you did. (nor was he tearful). 2. I seriously doubt Cameron's personality is miles ahead of anyone's. Comes across as too sleazy. |
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Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, said Miliband had clearly given a better performance, giving him 7/10 against Cameron’s 4/10, Rowena Mason reports.
“It was not what I expected at all,” Farage said. “In terms of personalities, he fought back more, was more human and got the audience clapping. Cameron was nowhere near that. Cameron looked discomfited.” |
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Farage will murder the air of them in open debate.
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Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, said Miliband had clearly given a better performance,
Milliband (and his supporters) will not want to be endorsed by Mr Farage  |
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Ed was more personal but came across as weak. Cameron more slick but not as sincere. The telling point is the Guardian poll, of all polls, say 54% to Cameron and 46% to Miliband. That poll should be telling.
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There was better news for Miliband when it comes to the crucial question of shifting votes: 56% of the sub-sample who said they might change their mind will now plump for Labour, as against just 30% for the Conservatives.
David Cameron retains his lead as best prime minister in this survey - but by a smaller margin than in many past polls – he is preferred on this count by 48% as against just 40% for Miliband Great result for milliband I would say,improved his rating from nothing in one night,worrying times for the torys... |
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56% of undecided voters say they may change their mind & now vote Labour, compared to 30% for the Tories.
Miliband wins the undecided by quiet a bit |
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snap
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the broadcasters missed a trick, should've planted Gillian Duffy in the audience and got her to ask Ed about immigration...
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Paxman's bullying of Milliband has worked in Labour's favour, the great British public love the underdog.
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Bit surprised by overall % in favour of Cameron,i thought milliband came across quite well it just shows how the media can influence thought without doubt anyone who watched that milliband would've gone up in estimations.
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Both are almost suited to the audience questions but struggle with the grilling as it would be too big a change in tone to treat paxman with the contempt he deserves.
Obama could have shmoozed his way through both formats imo. Someone like Putin would have been a bit false and awkward in front of the audience but plastered paxman all over the walls. |
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looking for the guy who shot paxman, whilst putin enjoys two week vacation
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