Would i be better off on the Dole ?

Players don't need to be better

they call - re raise with cr^p like K4 , get it allin K flop & every turn card is their miracle 4

How can a Pro like me combat that , I s'pose their Hud told them it was coming

I wish you would knock the poker on the head for awhile and have a holiday. I bet every day pretty much, on placepots on the horses and trap challenges on the dogs. I don't win fortunes but I hardly ever lose month to month, I just enjoy it. I do like poker every now and then but I'm not that good at it, I just do it for a bit of entertainment when in the mood and don't take it seriously. I'm off to New Zealand for a few weeks in June just to chill out and go fishing, watch a bit of rugby and see my family and friends in Auckland. Really looking forward to that break away from everything.

Mc Moonbeam  • March 21, 2015 10:41 PM GMT 


That's fine by me Gery , who is my biggest fan Plain

I am a very unhappy person yes , most people are brainwashed to believe that their job is everything in life , but you get nothing back at the end of it all , life is for living but very few actually seem to successfully

I don't mean to be personal (you obviously live on a pension now) but what difference would still owning your house mean to you , better health care in old age Confused

You see my job was my life, my function in life, I chose one I liked...it was taken away from me, never worked since, no one would employ me,
that was a terrible punishment for me

In the process I lost my property, money, everything, another punishment for me

What use is retirement to me?
Still I try to laugh or I would cry, explains my warped humour, and I make the best of what I have.


But I emphasize with you with one thing Moonbeam, unhappiness, I was wondering why, that was all?
Don't worrying about me laughing at Clydebank, I laugh at anything.

Anyway I hope the poker looks up

You picked me up wrong (maybe I never made it clear) although you find the negatives in my post and not the positives.

8 years ago without HUDs/ training sites/ videos/ Twitch the game was easy. I was beating Betfair/ Pokerchamps with a healthy ROI and only Wulfman I avoided. 8 years later and everyone knows how to play a basic game and I've seen Wulfman cry on the Poker forum. I ate him in a few STTs on I-Poker and all he did was cry. I stayed static for several years but I realised to keep up with the game you have to also move with the times. I'm still learning and still working on my game.

You say the top pro's don't use a HUD, what evidence have you? A HUD isn't as important as improving your own game but a HUD can be useful for picking certain tells that instinct doesn't always work. How often does someone call raise pre, call 3 bet on flop, check turn and fold? A HUD stat would give you that in an instant. You'd know by instinct but on how many times when multi tabling? Upgrade your PC and start using it if it's running slow.

Get out and meet people mate is your biggest problem and forget about the poker. Anything, talk to randomers when shopping, flirt with the cash assistants, just get out there and talk to people.

You were obviously born lucky my friend & have everything you need in life

If I were to take a month off I'd almost lose Supernova status & would never bother earning it back

Plus I don't have too many friends , actually I don't even have anybody that'd even Sign a passport for me , let alone visit

My VET signed mine, passport.

http://i57.tinypic.com/2zsnvgi.png

36,000 times I've been all in, I've won just over 50.1% That's the RnG for you. Yes I've been lucky but is that not as close to a coinflip as you can get? The RnG is true on all sites I play.

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

I DO NOTHING WRONG

MY GAME IS UNEXPLOITABLE

DON'T HAVE A VET - NOT EVEN A DOG

I was born lucky, I can't deny that. I'm a company director, I'll sign your passport photo, mo worries on that score.

Mc Moonbeam  • March 21, 2015 11:28 PM GMT 


YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

I DO NOTHING WRONG

MY GAME IS UNEXPLOITABLE

Then why are you not winning???????????????????????????????

AS CLOSE AS A COINFLIP YOU CAN GET



NOT IF HAVE THE BEST HAND 2/3 RDS OF THE TIME

I DON'T FLIP COINS FOR A LIVING OVALMAN

FFS McMoon, I could show my whole stats and the AKs v 22 will be 49%, AA v random pocket pair will hold up 80% of the time, AK v QJ 60% etc, (just guessing at those odds btw without checking!) what I'm saying is the RnG is totally true. Yes I've been a marginal luckbox over 36,000 but 36M it won't matter.

Accepting the RnG is a big first step. You never questioned it when you were winning

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

I DO NOTHING WRONG

MY GAME IS UNEXPLOITABLE

I had a poker night in my place in Spain one night, the worst player won the lot. I just don't know how you can play poker for countless hours every week and retain your sanity. Something has to change as well you know. I hope we are not having the same conversation in two years time. It's up to you ...

This wasn't supposed to turn into a poker thread Slippy I hate the game with a passion

The fact is I've beaten the game for a sizable amount & would like to move onto something better , that's what the smart players are actually doing ovalman

Get out and meet people mate is your biggest problem and forget about the poker. Anything, talk to randomers when shopping, flirt with the cash assistants, just get out there and talk to people.

you tell me you won't play on stars but can tell me the RNG is 100% certain , just stop & think how the sites make all their money , Amaya's stock dropped 8% last week in a day

all I will say Ovalman is that the Twin Towers Collapsed eventually

do you sign on in your spare time King

I do play on Stars but I only play a very limited number of games. My Graph and ROI is good and my sharkscope is open but it's all micro stakes and why I stopped playing. I game select, I chase bad players TBH, when I hit $7 on Stars I found it reg infested. Not that I don't think I could beat it but I found it easier on I-Poker.

McMoon your problem is socialising, not poker. I don't mind talking poker but you need to get out and talk to people.

Thanks Gery
I'm sorry to hear that 
I see myself in a similar situation , which is why I'd like to buy a house & Lock it up Now if you get my drift , as I'll probably never make the money I have done again in my life so have to think fast about how to be most sensible with it while I still have it

If I did own a house & was happier then I'd feel I could take the odd holiday with any extra money I'd make , but maybe not , life's just so much more stressful on your own
I never really know if I'm doing right or not tbh
Don't even know what happiness is anymore

I'm not saying it is r!gged but most games are reg infested nowadays , which is why most players rely on r^keback , as long as you can play so many games without losing too much , but that takes a lot of time up for little rewards nowadays

"life's just so much more stressful on your own"

That is bollox.  You've chosen to live on your own.  You blame your parents and other people for making you feel worse.  So for you, you've decided it's less stressful on your own.  Your in good physical health, otherwise you'd be moaning about it.  You can chose what you do and when you do it.  I can understand you feel trapped, but you show absolutely no inclination to do anything about it.

Life is more stressful if you've got dependents, where you've got responsibilities to be a good role model and are struggling to put food on the table or heat the house.  I know someone reasonably well who's daughter has sever physical and mental problems, part of the symptoms mean she doesn't sleep for more than 2-3 hours and he or his wife are up in the night every single day for the last 12 years and they know they will always have to care for her until they or her die.  That's stress.

I think you should get a house Moonbeam, I agree with that.

I find being on my own stressful at times. But I have a good friend which helps me, even though she does not live with me.
I also have to support her in different ways, so that is now my function in life.
That is my good luck in life.

One thing you could do with is a friend Moonbeam. If you buy a house perhaps you can get a lodger.

I do not think you will ever work now, you have committed to your present life for better or worse.

Ta for your wishes.

I think you are a nice man, but are not easy to help, which is frustrating a lot of people on here.
Life is stressful end of, but in different ways to different people. Clydebank's post a good example.

...but by going & doing a menial job I feel I'd be lowering myself & would lose that sense of pride , losing my true identity in a sense

Hi McMoonbeam.

I don't quite follow the statement here. If I have it right you've never worked, and don't want to lower your perceived standards by taking a menial job.

If everyone with no academic achievements, or specialist training, had the same viewpoint we wouldn't have bin men, labourers of all kinds,
farm workers etc etc!

Many people start at the bottom and finish up in top positions. My sister started off in the bakery at Schofield's, Leeds, and finished up as a buyer.

I will say best of luck anyway.

Duncan Banatyne was an ice cream vendor and there are very many more like him.

I think that the truth is that you just don't want to work and, the longer you leave it, the more impossible it will become.

Your thread has achieved an astonishing amount of views and replies, along with some excellent advice.

All you need to do now is take it!

The quote of the year for me is "Life is for living" by McMoonbeam!! 

I wish that some of you would stop giving advice like 'talk to randomers while shopping'. Think of the poor recipients of his woe!

Clydebank and Aunty Post have the gist of it. You are bone-idle. You are totally self-obsessed. You are prepared to cheat and lie in order to get the working population to give even MORE money than you already have salted away. You seem to have a highly over-inflated opinion of your present value as a potential employee. Your posts are just wallowfests of your distorted view of how you arrived at this point, and who is responsible for it.

"Life is for Living"?...Ebeneezer Scrooge had more fun than Moonbeam!

There are pages of replies on this thread, none of which will achieve ANYTHING. He will still carry on with his grand ideas of being a brilliant cardsharp whilst trying to milk 'free' money from the public coffers.

I know nothing of all this poker terminology...But I DO know that I would find a new job if mine made me so ****g miserable!

naydam  • March 22, 2015 12:21 PM GMT
The quote of the year for me is "Life is for living" by McMoonbeam!!  LaughLaughLaugh


Sorry Moonbeam but that is funny
Laugh yourself please, you have to see yourself you see

It is funny

I`m glad moony has at least got money. It`s 100 times worse suffering from depression and having f*** all. I sincerely wish him well, depression is a dreadful illness, but I think if he was in Heaven he would want out.

The thread is just going around in circles.

Lots of good advice given here, by myself included but it seems to be wasted on you mate. At the end of the day McMoon, you won't achieve anything by moaning on here, a gambling forum. I feel you don't want to actually change your circumstances, you just wanted to let off a bit of steam?

Ok, that's done, you have let off some steam, now decide what to do: Makes changes to your lifestyle and see if that makes you happy OR don't make changes and stay in the same mindset. I think you just wanted to connect with people on here when you started this post. I don't think you actually want to change. But GL. Just my opinion.

I do want to change & would like a meaningful job (yes I have worked in a number of dead end jobs but not for many years)

I just feel it's too late for me to start over again , maybe I'm wrong , but becoming a binman wouldn't achieve anything

I appreciate other people have worse problems than me Clydebank but as Gery says problems affect people in different ways & have serious problems myself

I'm not bone idle & I don't 'milk the system' so stop labling me with that brush at the first available opportunity as I'm merely 'thinking out loud' about it & distressed with my current situation

you won't achieve anything by moaning on here, a gambling forum

Who'd of thought it hey


but Thanks Gawd


Duncan Banatyne was an ice cream vendor and there are very many more like him.

I've read about Duncan Banatyne , he fought over ice cream turf wars like a Gangster if you must know Aunty , but now he's the cream in your eyes as you sit in your armchair marvelling over him on your television screen , but alls well that ends well , is that what you're trying so hard to tell me

moony has got a point ,trying to make a business work in this country (unless you have a much sought after skill - plumbing,dentistry etc ) is like trying to climb Mt Everest wearing carpet slippers  with a chest freezer strapped to your back .

1 in 100 might make it .

attempting to 'climb your way up' is laughable to say the least   

This isn't fairycakes la la land

i'm surprised we're allowed to make money gambling tbf - surprised someone hasn't stepped in and demanded some long winded qualification so we can play  at all .

it will probably come to that

I did talk about trying to start my own business earlierir in the thread (god I'm so bone idle) & was immediately told at Gun Point that it'd be the quickest way to lose all my money in the current economy

it's a nicey / nasty world depending on what suits them best at the given time
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that's so,so true .

go to any wealthy village town or village and everyone will treat you with a smile ,politeness ,quiet tones ,wholesomeness,honesty and friendliness  - yet in the real world ,work for them and i bet theyre the most ruthless ,competitiveness,tight fisted and nasty **** going

I've dealt with them.


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Where exactly did you meet naydam , Coach

There are numerous online courses to improve or just learn. It's never too late McMoon. If you have an idea then you should go for it, it doesn't have to cut into your savings. Some of the best idea's have come from nothing, even the Duncan Bannatine Ice Cream van wouldn't have cost much to set up, just a will to succeed.

I'm not sure that TALKING about starting your own business qualifies you for a 'Dynamic' accolade!

What line of business were you gonna choose...A spot of Hermiting, perhaps?

Hey if you want to start your own business go ahead Moonbeam it is your decision

I see a lot, how much money do they make, a lot go skint, but if you have an idea go ahead

My earlier suggestion seems best for you
Sell your flat
Buy a house
Get in a lodger
- your house won't be completely your own, but you suffer from being on your own anyway, you just have to find the right one,
quiet, no trouble , someone you can chat to now and then
Their rent is your free income
- you said you did not need a lot to live on
Carry on with the poker
This sounds like something you may do

I do not think you have milked the system, you have just never been in it

Ice cream business does not look too good where I am. I think people buy their own ice cream from supermarkets

except if you get a pitch in parks and things on a hot day.

Sigh

except if you get a pitch in parks and things on a hot day.

unless you're a good bare knuckle fighter and have some tasty backup, I wouldn't recommend it.

These pitches are absolute goldmines, and are usually well very 'protected' by established sellers.

like Duncan Banatyne & the Bhoys

lots of new businesses require little capital outlay - so you could always have a dabble McM.

Set aside a few ££ and give it a go

moony has got a point ,trying to make a business work in this country (unless you have a much sought after skill - plumbing,dentistry etc ) is like trying to climb Mt Everest wearing carpet slippers  with a chest freezer strapped to your back .


Train up as a plumber or heating engineer then, which is exactly what my brother in law did.

it's a vicious world


shark vs shark ,and if you beat of the shark a freckin great brown bear will be on your tail

Train up as a plumber or heating engineer
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easier said than done - some can cope with it others can't - there's a lot to learn on paper and qualifications etc

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easier said than done - some can cope with it others can't - there's a lot to learn on paper and qualifications etc

agreed. Getting the qualifications are the one thing - the difficult part is getting a company to give you a placement for the necessary work experience.

Local companies generally won't help because they know that once you are fully qualified you then become competition and a threat to their livelihood .

When I were a lad I ran away and joined the Circus. Started off as a Clown and learned how to become a lion tamer in my spare time and became the best in the business. The Circus closed 10 years later and I had to sign on the dole. "What`s your trade?", the guy in the Job Centre asked. "Lion Tamer", I replied. "More like a Lyin *******", he retorted.

mac

shark vs shark ,and if you beat of the shark a freckin great brown bear will be on your tail

Very true Coach

My earlier suggestion seems best for you
Sell your flat
Buy a house
Get in a lodger
- your house won't be completely your own, but you suffer from being on your own anyway, you just have to find the right one,
quiet, no trouble , someone you can chat to now and then
Their rent is your free income
- you said you did not need a lot to live on
Carry on with the poker
This sounds like something you may do

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Cheers Gery

I appreciate you taking the time to think it all through so carefully & is actually a very good idea

I have considered buying a house & letting a couple of rooms but it'd have to be the right kind of house , modern & friendly environment

Being on your own kind of moulds you to the fact that you're stuck on your own sometimes but I'm a decent enough person that lodgers probably wouldn't mind being around too much , though I do like my own space & privacy a great deal too

The only other way for me would to be try & buy another cheap flat & let that for a small income , but is a lot of trouble & risk for the kind of flats I could buy & I'd be almost broke apart from the £3-400 income I'd get from a flat

I could still make that work but at least with one house I'd be in control a lot more , 1 council tax to pay etc .. & even if lodgers moved on as they will do the house is still mine to live in as I please .

I do not think you have milked the system, you have just never been in it

This is much more the truth that the doo gooders that naydam have never been faced with , if you get off to a bad start in life it's extremely difficult to ever really 'fit in' & get started again as society is against you every step of the way !

it's hard going Moonylad at times -  it's getting ahead of yourself .

feckin luck i've had today would make a saint swear - but tomorrow is a new day


do you do football betting ?  that is ultra frustrating at times

Gambling scrambles your brain.

it does mac .   it is a drug of sorts - ups  and downs etc

It is more addictive and has more serious psychological effects than crack cocaine.

It is more addictive and has more serious psychological effects than crack cocaine.

Moony lad -the blokes on this forum are the very best ,all of them - can't think of a nasty one on here tbf - probably different to a lot of the ar5es you get in the town etc

probably a good lot who bet on the horses etc

so i can see why the forum would be first port of call

Glad you had a Lucky kinda day Coach

Yep of course it's the only kind of betting I do now apart from the poker

I used to do well enough at it but although I know the game/markets i just can't seem to get ahead on here any longer

I had a good night last week on the Champions league , then lost 1.5 times my profit next night on Europa league (never touching it again)

I could of won this weekend , picked out an acca but never put it on for Saturday as I just felt depressed & slept late , would've won on the united match today but again didn't feel upto it , just not as confident football betting as I used to be it's a cruel game at times

I agree Coach
I've never disliked any (apart from the odd 1 or 2) on here over the years & have always tried to help others (despite all the abuse i seem to get) but have posted less lately as my head is just totally screwed up & guys on here (like you consider a good mate) are the only kind that really understand my mindset , as you say it's just a cruel world we're forced to live in at times
But thanks to everybody for the replies I'm starting to feel a bit more positive & that can be half the battle at times

not so good betting for me moon-totally frustrating arghhh lol ,weeks been OK on reflection though -always finishes on a bum note though

where did you come unstuck on the Europa league ? too ambitious ?

i might be able to throw you some pointers

down a fair bit for me this week but due simply to a total lack of goals and not bad betting  -  seemed to miss every game with goals in ,without fail  - uncanny really

Oh I see thought you had a Lucky kinda day

I bet Everton & Fiorentina games Under 3.5 in running & had to bail outta both for big losses ..

Why is it a winning day's always followed by an even bigger losing day , just really screws my head up to the point I start telling myself I'm just wasting my time on here

I bet after 2 goals Everton match so wasn't the worst attempt

Then bet against myself Fiorentina & as usual stayed 0-3 all 2nd half

When you are feeling down don`t bet moony. It **** up your judgement and if you win, you`ll still feel down. And you lose, you`ll feel a hundred times worse. Take a break from the gambling.

mightymac has a good point - sometimes a rest clears the head .

i had a disatrous time before christmas -it was feckin woeful ,took time out -had a few beer days in front of the tele  -and all was well afterwards ,felt more focused

stress and depression makes for bad judgement

I could give you some of my sports tips Moonbeam

but I fear it be the straw that broke the camel's back

If that did not make you want it to end it all, nothing would

Gery are you Money Tree in disguise

on the goals front i find that if a goal goes in ,and esp two goals in Qk/succ i get wary -i'm  more likely to go chasing rather than laying -thats been my motto from day 1 .

footballers don't cope well under pressure ,lack discipline etc - which may explain why you get a lot of 1-1s,1-0s etc then punctauated by the odd 4-3 crazy result

I`m not saying Gery is a bad tipster but he got a bank loan and put the lot on Goliath to beat that wee guy David

That's true Mac , cheers!
It's bad enough playing poker all day so my head's not always in the right place to be betting in the evening after a bad day

Yes I tend to agree Coach
I feel that's where I'm going wrong as I'm not reading every game individually for what's actually happening any longer , when I'm down & depressed I tend to just 'system bet' more like a robot tbh

Always bet the Overs on my team coach and just sit back and collect And bet them to win and BTTS as they always concede. We won again last night 6-2 and 5-3 midweek

Don't be too tough on yourself Gery

Like I say I find that's really half the battle & if you think your not being too clever then it will manifest in your subconscious mind , have you ever read or studied the subconscious mind ?

I tend to think he game of football has changed rapidly the last few years or so Coach , it just seems much more unpredictable than it ever was to me

is that Glenavon or Cliftonville ?  can't remember your team now Oval

themightymac  • March 22, 2015 11:43 PM GMT
I`m not saying Gery is a bad tipster but he got a bank loan and put the lot on Goliath Laugh to beat that wee guy David Laugh

unpredictable isn't the word - it's  all over the shop .


betting patterns are very random .

odds can  move about and tie you in knots .

i was giving away odds too generous tbf ,cost me a bit - impatience i guess  -but it's impossible to live and learn as each game is different in its betting patterns - and i hate leaving bad red open positions -i'd sooner lose in reverse if that makes sense .

no games this week .

you staying in Brum ?   Havent been there for ages -

I beg your pardon coach, I`m not Oval I`m perfectly formed

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where the hell did i get Oval from ?

yes,the Strongest lol



i will have to look into them

It is it's crazy , the World cup completely crushed me & have never really recovered tbh
Only way I win big amounts is by being smart with outright season bets , still waiting to crush the Premiership winners market for a fair few grand

I'm just outside Brum Coach a few miles outside the centre but isn't a bad little place for shops , just very busy for traffic etc , but isn't where I feel at home


If I bought a house I'd definitely move from here more to the outskirts , saw a nice one in Worcester recently but is a much quieter place , apart from that the better buys are all North from here , Derby , Stoke etc

saw a modern 3 bed townhouse in stoke selling for 95k
would be perfect to let a few rooms but again isn't really my kind of area , but where is hey


You still happy with your house , where abouts are you now ?

Worcester sounds bonzer - some nice places round there -Herefordshire ,Glos ,not so sure about Stoke no dis' to our Stokies on here,they tell me it's rum  - moving is expensive you need to get it right .

South of Birmingham looks nice as does Derbyshire -is Derby itself
no good ? seems a lot like my town overall

I'm in NorthEast Ipswich - the only part i get on with bar the odd exceptions  -quiet and generally nice folk - most of the town though isn't great and i've lived in most of it -but affordable ,still terraced houses here for 100 -rare for SE england

nearby Essex too expensive as is Coastal Suffolk -but only a short drive from lovely sce
nery pubs etc - moving is tiring - still the garden to sort out

Bed for me Moonylad  - need to sleep off last nights brew

see you tomorrow mate

Yep Stoke is a dump .. as is Derby Coach .. but they're the kind of places you find good buys ... but as you say you really need to get it right .. tough when you don't know where you're going !

Take care mate .. Cheers!!

Research thoroughly -   as they say - 'know your street !'

night mate

a house just for myself I'd prefer a more rural area like Worcester .. most big Midland cities are dumps tbh

but you're always welcome here if you ever fancy a few beers & some grub

You wanna move to my area,beautiful town great place to live..Hope you've stopped with them legal highs,nasty things better off with the real stuff..

If you'd of tipped me a few winners I may of ..


You hurt my feelings at the time , but hope your in better health now (which area btw) ?


Yep
I took them for about a month but advised another forumite against them also , very dangerous imo

Stopped emails as I said on the other thread posted a few things on puntersmate,but lost a bit of interest last few weeks cards are so poor.I live in Shropshire,if you email me can tell you the town,don't want all the idiots on here knowing which town I live in..great place to live,if you ever get move anywhere here you could help me out getting bets on,they do actually take bets where I live in most of the shops..

Only down the road from you,less than 50 mile, summers coming and I havn't tried shops for a long time so will be trying that again..

Shropshire's a very nice part , that's why I only asked the area , I sent you a quick PM

Cheers Moony lad - never know ,in the summer mate   

visited Ludlow a while short back near you  ,what  a lovely town - could happily live there

No problem mate

Just gimme a shout if you're ever visiting

I don't really know Ipswich at all I've never even been to that side of the country tbh

I'm not too sure on Ludlow but as you say there's some really nice towns & villages around that kind of area , the type of place you'd feel a lot more peaceful

Not much footy on this week is there , what do you do with your time when there's not much going betting wise

I'm actually only up the road from Ludlow have just never ventured out that way enough to know it well , once I get a new car sorted I might just enjoy myself exploring a bit more over the summer months

it's a really lovely place moony,you need to visit being so close -  i'm guessing expensive too no doubt  . There are a lot of nice areas near to you - Cotswolds isn't that far away from B'ham.


East Anglia is nice ,but it isn't hilly  and you have to look for the nice places -they don't jump out at you - little pink plastered  timbered buildings nestled away in the rolling countryside,and lovely coastal areas  .

Worth a visit to the nicer places.
England has some beautiful areas  -pity the country is in such a mess