Forums
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
These 83 comments are related to the topic:
Richard Dawkins reading out emails from bible believers

Post your reply

Text Format: Table: Smilies:
Forum does not support HTML
Insert Photo
Cancel
Page 2 of 3  •  Previous | 1 | 2 | 3 | Next
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 83
By:
Ovalman.
When: 10 Mar 15 00:49

Do you honestly think this whole complex universe, with complex minds and bodies came from a random big bang from nothing?


I'm not happy with sciences answers but the god hypothosis is just as bad. It's much easier saving a step and explaining things without the need for a creator. If there is one, he's very benign and simply rolled the dice and let us get on with it. Science doesn't have all the answers but it's getting there slowly.


How do you explain people's near death experiences?


Tricks of the mind. When the Oxygen finally runs out, the electrical impulses stop and we go back to nothing, just like it was before we were born.

How do you explain the sightings of ghosts?


The brain tricks us into seeing things that aren't actually there, that's why we see a face on the Moon and in clouds etc.

How do you explain the DMT lodged in our brains and other living things?


Ain't got a clue either what DMT is either.
By:
Foinavon
When: 10 Mar 15 01:02
Everything in this world has a creator.

Time and space are the fabric of the universe. Before "Big bang" neither time nor space existed therefore cause and effect did not exist either. If you postulate a creator you have to explain how he was created. You are then introducing an infinity of complexity to the event.

Maybe they are hallucinating but can you hallucinate when your not on any drugs?

Hallucination and dream are the same thing. See your answer to DMT

There are too many cases around the world on sightings of ghosts. Is every case bs?

Yes. Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it true.


A chemical in your brain which is released when you sleep which causes you to dream. A massive amount is also released on death. It is also a drug which when taken (a friend of mine took it) said he felt like God. (I believe were all mini Gods in our own way, WE ALL CREATE.)
By:
aasbff
When: 10 Mar 15 01:12
So you all believe in nothing? Do you believe in yourself?

I used to be an atheist but often viewed the world in a negative light and became depressed. Don't know how you do it.
By:
Foinavon
When: 10 Mar 15 01:22
If belief in a deity makes you feel happy, then go for it but please don't expect others to share this belief without proof.
By:
aasbff
When: 10 Mar 15 01:37
I don't force it upon anyone but I guess it's alright to spread the negative depressing views of atheism right?
By:
ebulGery
When: 10 Mar 15 02:03
Platini  • March 9, 2015 9:13 PM GMT 
I challenge anyone to read the God Delusion and not get something out of it. Whether your religious, atheist or whatever, it's a very entertaining read. Very funny and witty in parts and just clever in most others.


I will take your word for it Platini

To me Richard Dawkins seems like an immature 6th former who is just trying to be clever

I do not mind him being witty or clever but when it comes to religion he seems to be incredibly petty

What is he achieving? Surely what we believe is our own right?

As long it is not used as an excuse to harm others, I do not care what any one believes
By:
timbuctooth
When: 10 Mar 15 02:09
Atheists need to shout loudest, they`re the ones running scared. Bit like muslims, really, hoping to shout loud enough to blank out the knowledge that they`ve backed the wrong horse. Fail miserably to convince even themselves, deep down, let alone any good Catholics.
Shout away, boys, but you know The Day of Judgement`s coming!
By:
Foinavon
When: 10 Mar 15 02:09
Nobody forces atheism on anyone. There is a huge amount of propaganda in favour of religion. The religious brainwashing of children starts virtually from birth and religious organisations try and force their values on the rest of society. People like Richard Dawkins offer much needed counter arguments to this. Atheists don't go knocking on peoples doors exhorting them to "convert" since atheism is not a religion, nor does it send missionaries around the world to convert people from one voodoo to another.
Atheism is not depressing. If you want to hear depressing news tune into the BBC and listen to the latest on IS for example.
By:
ebulGery
When: 10 Mar 15 02:10
I remember him saying that male circumcision is some terrible mutilation, but it is relatively minor

Female circumcision is more intrusive so I am against that

It is very primitive as well, predates Islam, I think we should discourage that

Although I am not over keen on women at times, I do stop short of cutting bits off them
By:
ebulGery
When: 10 Mar 15 02:16
I do not see c of e, forcing many of their values on our society, even if we could do with a few

Our society is extremely secular, few people go to Church, and just because someone tries to force religion on us as children

does not mean we have to believe as adults. It never did that to me, in fact put me off it.

But I do not mind people who want to believe, it is no threat to me, I choose my own beliefs and allow others to do the same.
By:
Foinavon
When: 10 Mar 15 02:23
Regarding your post on circumcision Gery, isn't that depressing? Surely it's wrong to do that to a child. Wait until he is old enough to decide for himself. I'll bet there won't be many takers.
Strange that those who believe that a perfect god created them in his own image should feel the need to modify that perfect creation with a knife. How do you explain that?

I'm off to bed so will duck out for now.Grin
By:
ebulGery
When: 10 Mar 15 02:39
Yes but it is so trivial, lots of men are circumcised, not always for religious reasons, why make it into something
it isn't.

This is my problem with Richard Dawkins, everything he says is like this. There is no depth to it. I think he is pathetic
and I am an atheistShocked myself, although I want to believe.

I do not mind intelligent discussion , for and against religion, I love those sorts of discussions. The sort
of discussions someone like CS Lewes would involve himself in, such a wonderful, caring and intelligent man.

But not some mindless petty criticisms at about the same level as the Sun newspaper, which is all we get from Dawkins.

Clever he may be Richard Dawkins, but such a shallow man.
By:
Foinavon
When: 10 Mar 15 14:32
I don't agree with your assessment of Richard Dawkins at all. He is always quiet and dignified and gives reasoned arguments for any claim that he makes. This is more than can be said for most of his detractors.

You mentioned that the C of E does not force it's values on the rest of society and that is largely true today although it doesn't hold back when giving it's opinions. It wasn't so long ago that it had much more influence and religions can become nasty when they hold a lot of power as can be seen in many places today.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 10 Mar 15 14:38
Its not religion thats nasty its people.
By:
Foinavon
When: 10 Mar 15 14:57
What are religions if not groups of people motivated by a set of beliefs?

The beheaders of IS say they do it in the name of Islam

The Catholics who burned humans said to be witches and heretics at the stake said that they did it in the name of Christianity.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 10 Mar 15 15:17
Where in the Bible does it say burn people at the stake? Is that a fundamental part of the religion? Nasty people do nasty things regardless of their religion.
By:
ebulGery
When: 10 Mar 15 16:58
I agree Dotchinite, it seems to me our human nature is at fault rather than religion

I am sure Richard Dawkins presents himself well, but he does seem to me to have a complete obsession against religion.

There is a mix of good and bad in religion, if there were no good at all, why does it exist?

Religion has been frequently misused, some of the things people say are about religion , if one looks closely,
turn out to be about things like: land, power, control, wealth, defence of a culture(religion is just a part). Religion is just being
used.

Personally I doubt anyone who does not want to believe gets converted and nor do people who do believe gets unconverted,
and if opening any book on science does not say GOD is dead, I do not know what does.

Perhaps people need a religious belief in Atheism as much as people do in Religion. They a god a GOD in Richard Dawkins.

Still Isaac Newton had his Alchemy, so perhaps Richard Dawkins needs his extreme Atheism as sort some of break from all that heavy
scientific stuff.

I had a religious conversion as a child to Atheism, the cause Science Fiction, I found it a lot more interesting than the Bible.
Still I could hardly claim everything in Science Fiction is true , any more than it is in Genesis.

I believe let people believe want they want to believe.
By:
Foinavon
When: 10 Mar 15 17:30
For Dotchinite

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. (John 15:5-6)
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Mar 15 17:39
Ithink you have misinterpreted that verse Foinhaven.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 10 Mar 15 17:45
Thanks for that. What it means I have no idea but then neither do you.
By:
Velasquez
When: 10 Mar 15 17:51
The New Testament itself (Paul) calls its message "Foolishness" - foolishness preached to a dying world...Paul calls the cross of Jesus Christ the ultimate "foolishness". Dawkins is a flat-track bully. You're going to get people who are not too bright in every walk of life.

But hey ho, time ticks away - jog on Dawkins.

What did Solomon ask for? Gold? Intelligence?

Wisdom?
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Mar 15 17:57
Dawkins is perhaps the greatest living Englishman, the opposite of a bully but he makes the mistake of thinking the British working classes are logical....religion is very dangerous when in the hands of the mob.
By:
Velasquez
When: 10 Mar 15 17:57
As for the vine and branches, the branches don't have to struggle or grow of their own accord - they don't have to do anything except remain in the vine.

http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Fellowship/Murray.The.True.Vine.html

The True Vine by Andrew Murray - an examination of Jesus' metaphor which Jesus took from the Old Testament.
By:
Velasquez
When: 10 Mar 15 18:03
The "mob"...Laugh

Is that the MOB marauding through the Middle East? Just about ANYTHING is dangerous in the "hands of the mob."

Football, Nazism, Communism, cheese-rolling, hyper-melpharginistic ray guns...have I missed anything out?

The feckin' MOB...sigh...hope I don't bump into them at Tesco tomorrow when I'm buying jelly and ice cream.
By:
Velasquez
When: 10 Mar 15 18:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv2U2Xp2Nu8

Laugh

Richard Dawkins Struggles to Remember "Origin of the Species" Title Against Rev Giles Fraser.

"...uh...uh...uh...it has a subtitle..."

14th February, 2012 on Radio 4.
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Mar 15 18:14
Dawkins is someone from a different time, a more rational and beautiful time when briefly in England the rational and scientific way was seen as best...now he is trying to stem the tide of superstition and madness and violence.
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Mar 15 18:28
Religion is only suitable and safe in the hands of the English middle classes (if such a thing still exists), it is not suitable and very dangerous in other sections of society and the world.
By:
Velasquez
When: 10 Mar 15 18:32
Who is responsible for this "tide of superstition and madness and violence"?

You might as well name and shame them while you're here, lfc1971.

While you're at it, you might as well also tell us about this tremendous, rational and beautiful time...when was it exactly?

Was it when Liverpool FC were champions of England? Can you remember that far back? Grin

By the way, lfc1971, that METAPHOR you used - "...stem the tide of of superstition..." ; that is what George Orwell called "A dead metaphor." It is no longer viable through over-use and is now a rank rotten cliche.

How different from the GORGEOUS metaphors in the Bible.
By:
Velasquez
When: 10 Mar 15 18:34
The MOB! Cry

The TIDE! Cry

Got your popcorn and 3d glasses, folks?
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Mar 15 18:43
1872 is my favorite year, I like to live in the past.
By:
Velasquez
When: 10 Mar 15 18:46
Cool...Happy
By:
Velasquez
When: 10 Mar 15 18:50
The light of the world...the gate...the bread of life...the vine...the good shepherd...the way...the resurrection and the life...

There are yer metaphors mate, comin' at yer official MOB, like, in a massive TIDE like thing...! Blush
By:
Velasquez
When: 10 Mar 15 19:03
DAVID BODANIS, author of  "E=mc2: A Biography of the World's Most Famous Equation" :

"Bodanis' effort to make science accessible extends to the historically tense relationship between science and religion. Unlike many scientists, he sees nothing mutually exclusive about science and religious faith.

"I love the humility of Michael Faraday, that his religious views led to those deep insights in science and I can't bear people like Richard Dawkins who are anti-religion and who tend to pick soft targets. For instance, Dawkins misses the fact that Einstein had a subtle religious view."

Bodanis is all for inclusiveness, in contrast, he says, to a science writer such as Dawkins, who is one of the leading advocates of Darwinism.

"Instead of saying you have your view and I have mine, Dawkins says I am 100 per cent right. He is not the ideal calling card for evangelical atheism, though he is a gifted writer." "
By:
Velasquez
When: 10 Mar 15 19:08
Theodor Adorno :

"There is no universal history leading from savagery to humanitarianism, but there is one leading from the slingshot to the megaton bomb".
By:
DStyle
When: 10 Mar 15 19:16
the posted video of dawkins and his simpering acolytes is him at his absolute worst.

this is not about furthering the cause of atheism, or helping to convert the religious. this is about intellectual superiority and laughing at people in the throes of cognitive dissonance who have most likely had the unfortunate circumstances to be born into religious families and have lacked a thorough education.

Had Dawkins been born in a mudhut in rural Pakistan and sent to a Madrassa because his parents couldn't afford to feed him, what are the chances he'd be where he is today.

It is no good advert for atheism or humanism to show such a sneering lack of compassion.

As always, South Park were on the money, nailing it Go God Go.

"Let us not forget the great Richard Dawkins who finally freed the world of religion long ago. Dawkins knew that logic and reason were the way of the future. But he learned using logic and reason isn't enough. You have to be a dick to everyone who doesn't think like you."
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 10 Mar 15 19:57
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 10 Mar 15 19:59
The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful, and has nobody to thank
By:
cardifffc
When: 10 Mar 15 20:05
why are people still talking about god.........this is not the middle ages
By:
DStyle
When: 10 Mar 15 20:07
yet our government has legalised gay marriage whilst still supplying state funding for faith schools.

and we still have decision makers in our upper house of parliament who have been appointed based on their position in their religious organisation alone.

and we still have blasphemy laws.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 10 Mar 15 20:10
For when we cease to worship God, we do not worship nothing, we worship anything
Page 2 of 3  •  Previous | 1 | 2 | 3 | Next
sort by:
Show
per page

Post your reply

Text Format: Table: Smilies:
Forum does not support HTML
Insert Photo
Cancel
‹ back to topics
www.betfair.com