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'i bet you have sex with monkeys because evolution says so'

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By:
tobermory
When: 08 Mar 15 21:59
'your famed intelligence is nothing more than the fart of God' Crazy
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Mar 15 22:13
Would these be from practitioners of the religion of "Love thy neighbour" and "turn the other cheek"?

Jesus would be proud. (oh no, that's not allowed either, deadly sin).
By:
ebulGery
When: 08 Mar 15 22:21
Richard Dawkins is a sad case imo
He has grown completely obsessive

As an evolutionary biologist, he knows exactly what religion is, where it comes from, and why it exists

How the mighty have fallen
By:
Make my hay
When: 08 Mar 15 22:31
In the past few months, I’ve become religious, I’ve started to believe in god, creationism and intelligent design, and the reason that I now believe in god and creationism and intelligent design is because of Professor Richard Dawkins. Because when I look at something as complex and intricate and beautiful as Professor Richard Dawkins, I don’t think that just could’ve evolved by chance! Professor Richard Dawkins was put there by god to test us, like fossils. And facts.
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Mar 15 22:31
Oh of course. It's Richard Dawkins fault.
Funny, that reminds me of something Confused
By:
ebulGery
When: 08 Mar 15 22:32
Laugh very good make my hay
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Mar 15 22:33
My reply to ebulgery's post.
By:
ebulGery
When: 08 Mar 15 22:35
It is not his fault, but something has happened to him

Religion is a product of human psychology, which he must see himself surely
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Mar 15 22:36
Well, yes. He coined the term "meme"
By:
ebulGery
When: 08 Mar 15 22:46
It is a clever idea

That ideas themselves can replicate like genes, and some survive, some don't.

The trouble is there is no biological basis for this, and it must associate with the idea the human race is progressing.

But I doubt we are, I have the feeling we are just the same as we always were, and always will be.

Only our science has progressed.

tbf I should read his book before giving a full reply, but my instinct is against it
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Mar 15 22:50
I think he first mentioned the term in "The Selfish Gene". There is a book called "The meme machine" by Susan Blackmore which takes the idea much further.
By:
ebulGery
When: 08 Mar 15 22:51
I need to do some reading, I bluff way too much. He is clever Richard Dawkins, but not on religion,

not to me anyway.
By:
lybertyne
When: 08 Mar 15 22:54
Religion in the 21st century is a mental illness.
By:
ebulGery
When: 08 Mar 15 23:00
I can see we do have a lot better ideas than say a thousand years ago. But the problem is, immediately
things get tough, we revert back to what we always were.

IS are a good example of this, they seem to jumped back about 500 years.
You can say it is religion, but I do not believe this, it is religion being twisted to excuse the real barbarity
which is in us all.

Also our economic system. One could say Socialism was progress. But we are now going back to extreme capitalism
which means we can all express our own innate greed, which is in all of us.

just my own opinion
By:
doantwin2easy
When: 08 Mar 15 23:00
it's the skunk that does it
By:
cardifffc
When: 08 Mar 15 23:01
richard dawkins has probably become a millionaire because of religon..........he needs those idiots
By:
ebulGery
When: 08 Mar 15 23:02
I see, he is indeed a lot clever than meSad
By:
Ovalman.
When: 08 Mar 15 23:03
I went on a drunken rant one time to the people behind answersingenesis.com. There is nowhere on the site where you can ask a question, just answers (guess the clue is in the name lol.) It annoys me that their word is verbatim and you can't question it. They said I could ask them a question which I did privately and they failed to respond. It seems they only want questions they are confortable with.

I went onto them on Twitter a few weeks ago about the same point but they ignored me, then again I was trolling them Devil
By:
ebulGery
When: 08 Mar 15 23:56
I would thik it would be rather difficult to defend Genesis, in light of the discovery of the Higgs Boson particle
...I do not think it is mentioned there.

Religion comes from our minds. That must be obvious, it is a need in us. It is a product of the way we think, solve problems

But if you think back to early times, then one can see quite a few reasons why people would believe it.
There are too many to go into.

One is a need to control our environment. People were very dependant on things such as rain. So they would try to influence it,
placate it, treat is as an entity itself. To try to get it to rain. Offer sacrifices to it, anything. This is where we see
we are getting near a religious belief.

The only reason people scoff at Religion is we believe in science. But if that fails us, it may, we will return to Religion.
By:
cardifffc
When: 09 Mar 15 00:00
hope not
By:
ebulGery
When: 09 Mar 15 00:01
So do I..but if a 10 mile diameter Asteroid slams into the Earth...I think there would be a great increase in prayer.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 09 Mar 15 00:03
Ever since I've wore my lucky crash helmet, I haven't been hit on the head by an asteroid so that dispells your myth.
By:
ebulGery
When: 09 Mar 15 00:22
Laugh

Another one, Death.

Human beings think ahead, to a greater or lesser degree. If we know we are going to die today, how can we think
ahead to what we will be doing tomorrow?

We can't, so our mind panics at the thought of death(I am excluding those in great pain who would want to die).
Well one way of dealing with this panic ..is to believe we will go on living in some other place.

There is no evidence of this, but if we believe it enough it can comfort us. Get us through the process of dying.
Make it easier. Once we are dead nothing would matter to us.

Another reason is we have a bad life, we may like to think, that there is a better life after death.
Also those who have done really bad things in this life and have got away with it, it is comforting to think
they will get their comeuppance in some Hell.
By:
ebulGery
When: 09 Mar 15 00:24
dying sb dieing
By:
doantwin2easy
When: 09 Mar 15 00:31
as long as they've got a shop that sells crisp sandwiches i'll be fine.
By:
ebulGery
When: 09 Mar 15 00:49
You would be in Hell imo doantwin2easy 

Apart from the lack of any scientific proof, one thing that counts against a GOD is the number of times he patently fails to answer peoples prayers.

Still I am getting on a bit, I like to believe. I like CS Lewes's belief, we go somewhere where we will find all the love in our life.

One thing, if I am wrong, I won't be alive to be disappointed. It is a bet to nothing.
I don't go overboard with my belief I still gamble and drink. Sex rather a fond memory.
By:
doantwin2easy
When: 09 Mar 15 00:52
2 out of 3 ain't bad.
By:
ebulGery
When: 09 Mar 15 00:54
Laugh

When I say the love on our life, I don't mean sex, but real love, all the happy times in our life
all the people we cared for cared for us, it would be slightly unreal. We would stay there forever.
By:
doantwin2easy
When: 09 Mar 15 00:58
"You can say it is religion, but I do not believe this, it is religion being twisted to excuse the real barbarity
which is in us all".

good point imo. competition for resources, land, security at the very heart of it all. legacy of evolution at the very least. You're an interesting mix ebul.
By:
ebulGery
When: 09 Mar 15 02:02
taHappy

interesting forum
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 09 Mar 15 07:36
Thanks for posting that video.  Best laugh I have had in ages.

We need more militant atheists.

The bloke should be knighted.  Stange, he isn't even an MBE or an OBE.   Wonder why? Grin

I hope that, in the future, he will be revered in the same way that anti-slavery campaigners are.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 09 Mar 15 10:13
Thanks for posting the video, tobermory.

I have been a big fan of Richard Dawkins for quite a while and I'm an even bigger one now after watching that! Laugh Laugh Laugh
By:
kincsem
When: 09 Mar 15 13:45
Richard Dawkins:  why is he famous?
By:
ebulGery
When: 09 Mar 15 15:32
Dawkins came to prominence with his 1976 book The Selfish Gene, which popularised the gene-centred view of evolution and introduced the term meme. In 1982, he introduced into evolutionary biology the influential concept that the phenotypic effects of a gene are not necessarily limited to an organism's body, but can stretch far into the environment, including the bodies of other organisms. This concept is presented in his book The Extended Phenotype.[5]

Dawkins is an atheist, a patron of the British Humanist Association, and a supporter of the Brights movement.[6] He is well known for his criticism of creationism and intelligent design. In his 1986 book The Blind Watchmaker, he argues against the watchmaker analogy, an argument for the existence of a supernatural creator based upon the complexity of living organisms. Instead, he describes evolutionary processes as analogous to a blind watchmaker.


from Wikipedia
By:
ebulGery
When: 09 Mar 15 15:44
I can see he is an intelligent and original thinker myself

But I do not find him so on the question of religion....he seems obsessed to me

But other people like this in him

We make our own choice
By:
Platini
When: 09 Mar 15 22:13
I challenge anyone to read the God Delusion and not get something out of it. Whether your religious, atheist or whatever, it's a very entertaining read. Very funny and witty in parts and just clever in most others.
By:
aasbff
When: 10 Mar 15 00:22
I personally don't understand why someone can be militant atheists although I can understand why people don't like religion.

A few questions I would like an 'Atheist' to answer me...

Do you honestly think this whole complex universe, with complex minds and bodies came from a random big bang from nothing?

How do you explain people's near death experiences?

How do you explain the sightings of ghosts?

How do you explain the DMT lodged in our brains and other living things?

I don't go to church or belong to any religion but I certainly believe there is an afterlife.
By:
Foinavon
When: 10 Mar 15 00:35
Do you honestly think this whole complex universe, with complex minds and bodies came from a random big bang from nothing?

Yes

How do you explain people's near death experiences?

Nothing to explain, their brains were not dead, just hallucinating

How do you explain the sightings of ghosts?

There is no evidence for ghosts. It is incumbent on people who claim to have seen ghosts to provide evidence not heresay.

How do you explain the DMT lodged in our brains and other living things?

What is DMT? The body produces a myriad of chemicals every day which are needed for it to function efficiently.
By:
aasbff
When: 10 Mar 15 00:48
Everything in this world has a creator.

Maybe they are hallucinating but can you hallucinate when your not on any drugs?

There are too many cases around the world on sightings of ghosts. Is every case bs?

A chemical in your brain which is released when you sleep which causes you to dream. A massive amount is also released on death. It is also a drug which when taken (a friend of mine took it) said he felt like God. (I believe were all mini Gods in our own way, WE ALL CREATE.)
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