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I guess with a death penalty as the deterrent then potential profits would be much higher as fewer are prepared to risk it.
Ultimate risk/reward for the dealers. They got caught, they lost. One said they are reformed characters on here. Most are reformed after they get caught and face the death penalty. If they got away with it and had pockets bursting with cash do you think they would be reformed and give all their profits away to good causes. NOT BLEEDIN LIKELY. |
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No sympathy for them as I doubt they thought for a minute about the devastation that drugs bring to communities.
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I think the 'reformed character' argument holds much clout. I honestly believe they are reformed, having followed this case in some depth but I am no expert. The point is that they have done great things whilst in prison, they have changed other people's lives for the better and developed themselves and their skills and they have had time to reflect on what they did.
I also agree, that had they got away with it, they would still be gobby, selfish drug couriers... Nevertheless, all things considered now, the powers that be are going kill them and I do not see that is right. Keep'em banged up doing the good work they were, yes, kill them, no. If the Ozzy government want them saved , which they do, send 'em back there so they can pay for it. |
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much easier to do great things in prison when you hope it paints you in good light. Especially if your trying to get out of a death penalty.
Whereas when they had the opportunity to do great charitable work or good deeds when free men they chose drug smuggling and tried to get very very rich out of it. See the difference paulypaul? |
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also paulypaul profits are high in Bali because of the death penalty.
They knew this and went after the cash accepting the punishment if they got caught, no point crying over it now. |
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Judge: Norman Stanley Fletcher, you have pleaded guilty to the charges brought by this court, and it is now my duty to pass sentence. You are an habitual criminal, who accepts arrest as an occupational hazard, and presumably accepts imprisonment in the same casual manner. We therefore feel constrained to commit you to the maximum term allowed for these offences: you will go to prison for five years.
instead of imprisonment swop for death penalty. |
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@Patra I think that far more people suffer from drugs than actually enjoy them.
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It's impossible to know for sure if they are reformed and would eventually carry on doing good things if released or even if they remained banged up.
What if they were though, absolutely corrected and prepared to put other people first and make a difference to others for the rest of their lives Maleuk01? Even the top prison governor stood in their defence at an appeal saying he never seen prisoners like them and that he believed they were reformed human beings, asking the court to save them. That's why I feel for them a bit. |
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they had that chance paulypaul before they got caught.
If a country has a death penalty for certain crimes then they carnt just say ohhh well you 2 seem like nice chaps now so toodle pip. It then no longer acts as a deterent as people know if caught they can get out of the death penalty. They DID know about the death penalty and they ACCEPTED the risks involved. What happens after they get caught is actually irrelevant. |
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Could be one big act.
Whatever they are now they were drug dealers not giving a feck for anyone but themselves. Why waste time on them. |
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Do gun smugglers get the same sentence?
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What about budgie smugglers?
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They can fecking kill lybertyne!
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If it's the Bali nine, why only two going to be shot dead?
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The Godfather and the King Pin apparently pauly.
Although Andrew Chan did ridicule the Godfather tag in his words `I must be the only godfather that still lives with his parents` |
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Yes, I saw that in the documentary Gabrial. I think I just have an issue with the death penalty in this case.
What happened to Schapelle Corby? |
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At least three of 10 people on death row in Indonesia for drug smuggling have been given formal notice of their imminent execution.
Two Australians, Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, and a Philippines woman, Mary Jane Veloso were notified by Indonesian officials on Saturday. Under Indonesian law, convicts must be given 72 hours' notice of execution, but no formal date has yet been set. The appeals process for a French national is still under way. The group is being held on the prison island of Nusakambangan Appeals for clemency "Indonesian authorities today [Saturday] advised Australian consular officials that the executions of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran will be scheduled imminently at Nusa Kambangan prison in central Java," Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said in a statement. She said she would continue to press for clemency. However, Indonesia's government has rejected all appeals so far. Veloso's parents, two sons and sister travelled to the island on Saturday to see her. Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran were the leaders of the "Bali Nine" group arrested in 2005 while attempting to smuggle heroin to Australia. A court ruled that they had organised a nine-member smuggling operation and they were sentenced to death in 2006. Indonesian President Joko Widodo, who took office last year, has taken a tough stance on drug crime. In January he authorised the executions of six people, including five foreigners, convicted of drug offences. The group of 10 awaiting execution also includes Brazilian and Nigerian nationals Family informed that the excution of two leaders of "bali nine" will take place this Tuesday night local time |
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Dont do the crime if you cant withstand a bullet to yer brain.
As the saying goes. |
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i doubt it will be a head shot ,more likely a firing squad with the heart/chest being targeted .
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WHY INDONESIA IS SO TOUGH ON TRYING TO STOP DRUG TRAFFICKING
Here is some more accurate information on the overwhelming drug problem in Indonesia: In Indonesia there is today about 4.5 million people (close to the population of New Zealand) undergoing drug rehabilitation, while 1.2 million are still trapped in drug addiction. With its very strategic position as an international hub and huge market with majority of young population (around 90 million young people) , Indonesia has been used by traffickers as a very fertile land to carry out these extraordinary crimes. The 'market' for drug dealers is massive. The amount of substance being misused is astonishing: Seizures include ten tonnes of heroin, at least 49.5 tonnes of crystal meth (ice), 147 million ecstasy pills and hundred of tonnes of marijuana every year. It costs Indonesia's economy over Rp. 57 trillion per year (Almost Au$ 5.6 Billion.) and destroys families, children, grandparents and communities. Only two weeks ago, Indonesia's BNN agents seized over 860 kg of ice, locally known as 'sabu-sabu'. This is one of the largest captures in Indonesia and South East Asia. This syndicate, wanted in seven countries were arrested as they moved the drugs from from China to Indonesia by boat taking advantage of this country's 17,000 island entry points. Drug-related abuse and crimes kill around 40 Indonesians every day and leave thousand others without adequate education... So the new president asks...."Who can help to prevent these young people dead from drugs?" Dont forget the people convicted were taking drugs out the country not into ,the death penalty is there to save lives . |
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i suspect some people posting here object in principle of one country executing another countries citizens but unsure ? .
Strangely enough Indonesia is against its own citizens facing the death penalty in another country i would be in favour of bringing the death penalty back in the UK ,but maybe drug smuggling would not be top of the list ,Murder for sure ,although i suspect Indonesian gov view drug smuggling as a form of taking others lifes .They dont actually execute that many of their own people and it seems just a handful have been executed in each of the last few years (mostly foreign nationals) In 2007, the Indonesian Constitutional Court (Mahkamah Konstitusi Republik Indonesia) upheld the constitutionality of the death penalty for drug cases, by a vote of six to three.[14] The case was brought by prisoners sentenced to death for drug crimes, including some of the Bali 9, a group of Australian citizens sentenced to prison and the death penalty for drug trafficking in Bali in 2005. |
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*mostly foreign nationals for drug smuggling
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The men were issued with a 72-hour deadline on Saturday to face a 12-man firing squad, and both the Australian government and their families have pleaded with Indonesia to spare the convicted drug smugglers
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*Family informed that the excution of two leaders of "bali nine" will take place this Tuesday night local time
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