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I prefer the sharpest criticism of a single intelligent man ...but the question remains.
1. The question is not very intelligent.
2. Thank you is 2 words, not 1.
3. Voting is not a measure of intelligence.
4. I suspect that more than a single intelligent man may offer some sharp criticism, if they can be bothered.
2. Thank you is 2 words, not 1.
3. Voting is not a measure of intelligence.
4. I suspect that more than a single intelligent man may offer some sharp criticism, if they can be bothered.
the way we have been shafted over the years by various politicians begs the question if any of us are intelligent
At no point does the question ask if voting is a measure of intelligence, if it was then very few would be allowed to vote and it would not be possible to ask the question in the first place...
the question remains.
the question remains.
The question is pointless. People over the entire range of intelligence vote for labour from the very stupid to university professors. The same no doubt applies to other major parties.
To try to answer the opening question.
It depends.
If you actually thick enough to WANT the scandal of Rotherham (and many other Multicultural Paradise towns) repeated over the entire UK, schools and communities that breed Wannabe Terrorists, rampant FGM, Honour Killings, Forced Marriages, and a whole other exciting range of vibrant "cultural differences" to thrive here, then yes, by voting Labour you probably will secure it.
It depends.
If you actually thick enough to WANT the scandal of Rotherham (and many other Multicultural Paradise towns) repeated over the entire UK, schools and communities that breed Wannabe Terrorists, rampant FGM, Honour Killings, Forced Marriages, and a whole other exciting range of vibrant "cultural differences" to thrive here, then yes, by voting Labour you probably will secure it.
Yes agreed, intelligent people do vote labour but the question asks..are people who vote labour not very intelligent?...this is a different thing.
Is anybody who votes very intelligent
I will vote Labour so I suppose the cap fits, more importantly I vote Labour because I am not very well off
The Tories only concern themselves with the better off, so I would stupid if I did not vote Labour
Although I also oppose the Tories since Thatcher on moral grounds, I think society should be about something more than just personal greed
which appears to be all the Tories have to offer
ps
People from all parties hate Muslims, that is not a political issue
I will vote Labour so I suppose the cap fits, more importantly I vote Labour because I am not very well off
The Tories only concern themselves with the better off, so I would stupid if I did not vote Labour
Although I also oppose the Tories since Thatcher on moral grounds, I think society should be about something more than just personal greed
which appears to be all the Tories have to offer
ps
People from all parties hate Muslims, that is not a political issue
ebul I am not sure you should be allowed to vote, on grounds of sanity
Yes agreed, intelligent people do vote labour but the question asks..are people who vote labour not very intelligent?...this is a different thing.
It's beginning to sound as if your definition of an intelligent person is "someone who agrees with me"
It's beginning to sound as if your definition of an intelligent person is "someone who agrees with me"
certainly not Foinavon...I prefer people who make me stop and think oh, I hadn`t quite thought of that before.
As Oscar Wilde might have said "When someone on Chit Chat agrees with me I can
safely assume I was wrong"
safely assume I was wrong"
exactly Sica..I think it was Cicero who when making a speech and receiving a great reaction from his fellow Romans turned to a friend and said what is wrong have I said something stupid.
Can`t recall anything Tim Henman ever said...wonderful tennis player however....this is not the point!
the question remains.
the question remains.
My apologies. Despite being one of the intelligentsia, I am always getting Wilde, Cicero and Henman mixed up.
Forgive me, I will withdraw from this fine and pertinent debate with my honour just about intact.
Forgive me, I will withdraw from this fine and pertinent debate with my honour just about intact.
In general, the Conservatives appear to be much better at managing the economy than Labour.
Managing the economy better benefits all, not just the well off. We have to move towards a low
tax economy, where business blooms and employers are encouraged to take on more staff and pay improves in real terms.
People need to improve their skills to compete and find better paid jobs.
I think those that you speak of are misguided, rather then less intelligent.
Managing the economy better benefits all, not just the well off. We have to move towards a low
tax economy, where business blooms and employers are encouraged to take on more staff and pay improves in real terms.
People need to improve their skills to compete and find better paid jobs.
I think those that you speak of are misguided, rather then less intelligent.
I like the question posed by lfc1971 - it's a general question. Of course there will be overlaps in the intelligence range of voters for different parties, so there will be a brainy X supporter clever than a thick Y supporter, but it can still be said that Y-ers are more intelligent than X-ers.
But how to measure intelligence?
Common measures could be:
1- The IQ test, but a lot of people with high IQ have parents with high IQ and were surrounded by high IQ teachers and pupils.
2- Income. Skilled work , and management jobs pay more. We assume that unskilled workers are less intelligent for if they were more intelligent they'd be taking the skilled jobs. This is a possible angle.
3- Can you think for yourself. This is clear winner for me. If you can't think for yourself than you're unintelligent. And the seething from Labour Central that people have to register themselves to vote and make their own mind up now, rather than the old method of getting someone else to do it for them tells you what you need to know.
But how to measure intelligence?
Common measures could be:
1- The IQ test, but a lot of people with high IQ have parents with high IQ and were surrounded by high IQ teachers and pupils.
2- Income. Skilled work , and management jobs pay more. We assume that unskilled workers are less intelligent for if they were more intelligent they'd be taking the skilled jobs. This is a possible angle.
3- Can you think for yourself. This is clear winner for me. If you can't think for yourself than you're unintelligent. And the seething from Labour Central that people have to register themselves to vote and make their own mind up now, rather than the old method of getting someone else to do it for them tells you what you need to know.
I can make my own mind up and am reasonably intelligent. I'll be voting UKIP, obviously.
lfc1971 • February 23, 2015 3:20 PM GMT
ebul I am not sure you should be allowed to vote, on grounds of sanityHappy
ebul I am not sure you should be allowed to vote, on grounds of sanityHappy
Alias is a labour activist. Kinda proves the OPs point.
Stow_judge • February 23, 2015 4:56 PM GMT
In general, the Conservatives appear to be much better at managing the economy than Labour.
Managing the economy better benefits all, not just the well off. We have to move towards a low
tax economy, where business blooms and employers are encouraged to take on more staff and pay improves in real terms.
People need to improve their skills to compete and find better paid jobs.
I think those that you speak of are misguided, rather then less intelligent.
Well I may have accepted this in the time Of Ted Heath, but not since Thatcher.
Because the only thing the Tories do is to attack socialism.
But from my observations in life, I do not think either socialism or capitalism is our problem.
The problem is our own personal greed. Nobody in our society, from the either the top or bottom,
will do anything for the good of society as a whole. Everything is always done out of
personal greed and selfishness. That is what has brought us down, and we will continue to decline.
We to need to change our whole ethos, be more like Germany, or we will continue to fail.
Whether we go right or left. We are becoming a collection of individuals, not a society.
just my own opinion
In general, the Conservatives appear to be much better at managing the economy than Labour.
Managing the economy better benefits all, not just the well off. We have to move towards a low
tax economy, where business blooms and employers are encouraged to take on more staff and pay improves in real terms.
People need to improve their skills to compete and find better paid jobs.
I think those that you speak of are misguided, rather then less intelligent.
Well I may have accepted this in the time Of Ted Heath, but not since Thatcher.
Because the only thing the Tories do is to attack socialism.
But from my observations in life, I do not think either socialism or capitalism is our problem.
The problem is our own personal greed. Nobody in our society, from the either the top or bottom,
will do anything for the good of society as a whole. Everything is always done out of
personal greed and selfishness. That is what has brought us down, and we will continue to decline.
We to need to change our whole ethos, be more like Germany, or we will continue to fail.
Whether we go right or left. We are becoming a collection of individuals, not a society.
just my own opinion
ebul
Don't forget that not long ago Germany was touted as the sick man of europe and the euro itself has at least in part been responsible for its renaissance. You also say that personal greed is our problem. I fundamentally disagree. There are millions of selfless people giving of their time for no/little reward in society. They are the heroes but the priorities of some especially in the media who bring us the news are skewed with the whole, "how big are your pecs or tiits or how good looking are you?" and if the answer to either question is very then of course your opinion however puerile must be of merit. Err no.
I do want to take issue with the whole Thatcher thing you brought up. The denigrated speech she made about society specifically cited what we can do as people to help ourselves, help our family and help our neighbours. A laudable and aspirational message totally twisted for a political agenda by the left.
Don't forget that not long ago Germany was touted as the sick man of europe and the euro itself has at least in part been responsible for its renaissance. You also say that personal greed is our problem. I fundamentally disagree. There are millions of selfless people giving of their time for no/little reward in society. They are the heroes but the priorities of some especially in the media who bring us the news are skewed with the whole, "how big are your pecs or tiits or how good looking are you?" and if the answer to either question is very then of course your opinion however puerile must be of merit. Err no.
I do want to take issue with the whole Thatcher thing you brought up. The denigrated speech she made about society specifically cited what we can do as people to help ourselves, help our family and help our neighbours. A laudable and aspirational message totally twisted for a political agenda by the left.
Of course people deemed intelligent vote Labour because they think it is moral but that doesn't mean they have any common sense or knowledge of history.
If voting Tory means you have common sense or a knowledge of history, I'll gladly admit to being thick as sh!t.
Thatcher didn't give a fu ck about me or my neighbours.
Thatcher didn't give a fu ck about me or my neighbours.
Sadly true Mikael
specifically cited what we can do as people to help ourselves, help our family and help our neighbours. A laudable and aspirational message totally twisted for a political agenda by the left
I am sure Thatcher wanted this, because these means that society as a whole no longer has any responsibility for those at the bottom or
the more vulnerable of us.
Which means the rich can now pay less tax and get even richer!
Anyone buying this would have to be as thick as sh!t
I am a socialist I believe society has a responsibility for everybody in society, but as I have said people
in society also have some responsibility to society as a whole.
Regretfully I do not always see the latter in this country.
The last time Germany was described as the sick man of Europe was in the early 1930's.
The fact that Germany is more socialist than us, yet patently out competes us,
tells me socialism cannot be the problem.
specifically cited what we can do as people to help ourselves, help our family and help our neighbours. A laudable and aspirational message totally twisted for a political agenda by the left
I am sure Thatcher wanted this, because these means that society as a whole no longer has any responsibility for those at the bottom or
the more vulnerable of us.
Which means the rich can now pay less tax and get even richer!
Anyone buying this would have to be as thick as sh!t
I am a socialist I believe society has a responsibility for everybody in society, but as I have said people
in society also have some responsibility to society as a whole.
Regretfully I do not always see the latter in this country.
The last time Germany was described as the sick man of Europe was in the early 1930's.
The fact that Germany is more socialist than us, yet patently out competes us,
tells me socialism cannot be the problem.
usual suspects, usual racist b0ll0cks
Don't talk shiite ebul. Germany was labelled by many people and respected economists as such at the beginning of this century and at least partly what saved it was the fact that the euro was at a lower rate than the Mark would have been because of southern europe thus helping to lead an export bonanza which helped draw it away from the rocks. I can give you many citations for this and I can assure you that sick man of europe and indeed basket case were terms frequently used at that time.
Where we fundamentally differ is you clearly have this view that society is a "thing". A force for good if you like. The point is that it is just a word which essentially refers to the people and it is the people who are responsible through their actions to make the country a better place. Once you foist responsibilities onto this non entity of society then people stop doing many of the things they would do if they were cognisant of the fact that they are responsible at a icro leve for making their area better. "Society" asa concept projects upwards peoples reponsibilities and when that happens there is always someone else to do what needs to be done. The problem being there never is. It's your responsibility to carry your burden and if you can do so comfortably it is also your responsibility to look around and see if you can help carry someone else's burden who is less able.
Where we fundamentally differ is you clearly have this view that society is a "thing". A force for good if you like. The point is that it is just a word which essentially refers to the people and it is the people who are responsible through their actions to make the country a better place. Once you foist responsibilities onto this non entity of society then people stop doing many of the things they would do if they were cognisant of the fact that they are responsible at a icro leve for making their area better. "Society" asa concept projects upwards peoples reponsibilities and when that happens there is always someone else to do what needs to be done. The problem being there never is. It's your responsibility to carry your burden and if you can do so comfortably it is also your responsibility to look around and see if you can help carry someone else's burden who is less able.
You should learn to be polite Eternal, the only thing I can say to you is speak **** yourself
If you think our economy is in a better state than Germany, dream on.
We are a society, if you forget that we suffer.
But you are just a greedy selfish Tory who does not give a **** about anybody but yourself
I believe in socialism, society does have a responsibility for everyone in society and they in turn have a responsibility
to society as a whole.
If you think our economy is in a better state than Germany, dream on.
We are a society, if you forget that we suffer.
But you are just a greedy selfish Tory who does not give a **** about anybody but yourself
I believe in socialism, society does have a responsibility for everyone in society and they in turn have a responsibility
to society as a whole.
Well at least you've learned your lesson regarding your laughable assertion. I told you what Germany was called early in this century and now you are eating some humble pie so chow down. I didn't say we were in better shape than Germany. I said they have built their renaissance on the back of others. In the 50's it was us and the Americans. Recently it has been on the back of southern europe.
As for what I am you are incorrect. I'm neither Tory nor do I only care about myself. I just don't think your recipe for expecting others to do the heavy lifting is fair or doable. Look to yourself. If it needs doing get out there and help others. Don't expect others to do it and don't look to "society".
As for what I am you are incorrect. I'm neither Tory nor do I only care about myself. I just don't think your recipe for expecting others to do the heavy lifting is fair or doable. Look to yourself. If it needs doing get out there and help others. Don't expect others to do it and don't look to "society".
I'm intelligent - but will be voting for a candidate who cannot possibly win ; how intelligent is that?
Every candidate I've ever voted for has lost, and I'm almost as intelligent as Ifor.
I'm on 20k a year well below the average annual wage. I'm better off under tories/lib dems than Labour. Labour kept the tax freshold lower and flooded my particular work with overseas labour
Back to the OP
I think it is unfair to question peoples intelligence just because they vote for a political party
We are all entitled to our own political views
I find people in general less intelligent than they were, because they accept far too much from our government and media as fact.
It is not fact at all, we are told to believe what we are supposed to, this does not make it true.
We seem to place a high value on ignorance nowadays.
We can question everything we are told in this world, I wish people would do this more.
One does have to back this up with some argument though
I think it is unfair to question peoples intelligence just because they vote for a political party
We are all entitled to our own political views
I find people in general less intelligent than they were, because they accept far too much from our government and media as fact.
It is not fact at all, we are told to believe what we are supposed to, this does not make it true.
We seem to place a high value on ignorance nowadays.
We can question everything we are told in this world, I wish people would do this more.
One does have to back this up with some argument though
We are all entitled to our own political views
You might think that, but the situation is more complex
Ever heard the phrase 'no taxation without representation'? There are roughly 1.9m EU nationals working and paying taxes in the UK at the moment. They have no vote on 7th May. There are also some 16-17 year olds generating taxation through their endeavours in the work place. No vote for them either on 7th May.
And as for Labour Party Central seething that people have to register individually to vote, rather than the old system where the head of the household being able to register other adults at the address, it's clear that this is the party believing it's disadvantaged if people have to make their own minds up.
You might think that, but the situation is more complex
Ever heard the phrase 'no taxation without representation'? There are roughly 1.9m EU nationals working and paying taxes in the UK at the moment. They have no vote on 7th May. There are also some 16-17 year olds generating taxation through their endeavours in the work place. No vote for them either on 7th May.
And as for Labour Party Central seething that people have to register individually to vote, rather than the old system where the head of the household being able to register other adults at the address, it's clear that this is the party believing it's disadvantaged if people have to make their own minds up.
Do you really think that somebody from another country working here, is entitled to vote in our election?
because I don't
AS for 16-17 olds, that is arguable , but that means we lower our voting age to 16, so that is fine, if that is what we decide
My point was not a political argument, people get told what to think by all parties
and Media itself has a political allegiance, so it will reflect this
because I don't
AS for 16-17 olds, that is arguable , but that means we lower our voting age to 16, so that is fine, if that is what we decide
My point was not a political argument, people get told what to think by all parties
and Media itself has a political allegiance, so it will reflect this
Do you think it was right for American colonists to fight for independence in the 1770s on the grounds they had no say in their own affairs and were being taxed ( essentially robbed if you have no vote ).
Of course they were fighting for the rights of white men, but were they right to take up arms?
Of course they were fighting for the rights of white men, but were they right to take up arms?
This is hardly the same situation.
. The phrase was a clever one
America was a British colony. They were governed from this country. They had no government of their own or elected
MP's to the British parliament.
It had some merit. Because the people in our colony saw themselves as Americans not British.
It has no meaning the way you are using it.
IF EU nationals working here want a vote in our elections they must become British Citizens, or be born here
when they will be accepted as having British Citizenship.
You cannot have anybody coming to this country for work and thinking because they pay tax, they decide our government.
This has nothing to do with colour.
. The phrase was a clever one
America was a British colony. They were governed from this country. They had no government of their own or elected
MP's to the British parliament.
It had some merit. Because the people in our colony saw themselves as Americans not British.
It has no meaning the way you are using it.
IF EU nationals working here want a vote in our elections they must become British Citizens, or be born here
when they will be accepted as having British Citizenship.
You cannot have anybody coming to this country for work and thinking because they pay tax, they decide our government.
This has nothing to do with colour.
You cannot have anybody coming to this country for work and thinking because they pay tax, they decide our government.
Actually they get one vote each.
Turn it round though:
You've currently got people fecking off out of the country for 15 years and not generating taxes any more and they are getting the vote.
The discrimination is only because they're UK nationals not EU nationals. And it's suffrage racism.
And another thing : it costs £906 for an adult EU national to naturalise, and consequently get the vote. It costs £0 for an adult UK national to get the vote. That's pure discrimination across the EU / UK divide.
These absurdities in this democracy of ours is only possible because we are currently part of an over-priced tax racist EU super-state.
Actually they get one vote each.
Turn it round though:
You've currently got people fecking off out of the country for 15 years and not generating taxes any more and they are getting the vote.
The discrimination is only because they're UK nationals not EU nationals. And it's suffrage racism.
And another thing : it costs £906 for an adult EU national to naturalise, and consequently get the vote. It costs £0 for an adult UK national to get the vote. That's pure discrimination across the EU / UK divide.
These absurdities in this democracy of ours is only possible because we are currently part of an over-priced tax racist EU super-state.
The vote is nothing to do with taxes
It is about being citizen of this country, to make a commitment to this country
It is about being citizen of this country, to make a commitment to this country
That's a somewhat nebulous concept ebul. How do people make this commitment of which you speak? Surely it is the paying of taxation?
By deciding to live here permanently and see Britain as their country perhaps?
You see where this phrase was first used, our American Colony, it was always about more than taxation.
The rich American land owners, business men wanted to trade with the rest of the World, while they were our colony,
they were limited to trading with us
The Americans themselves had gone there away from Britain, Europe, Russia etc. They saw themselves in a new country,
their country. They had in effect decided they wanted to be Americans.
They fought a bloody 6 year war, which sadly we lost, that shows commitment
The rich American land owners, business men wanted to trade with the rest of the World, while they were our colony,
they were limited to trading with us
The Americans themselves had gone there away from Britain, Europe, Russia etc. They saw themselves in a new country,
their country. They had in effect decided they wanted to be Americans.
They fought a bloody 6 year war, which sadly we lost, that shows commitment
I do not expect our EU immigrants to fight a 6 year war. Just pay the £906
Anti-UKIPpers are happy to call Farage a racist on the strength of radio interview where he said he'd prefer not to have a tax-paying Romanian move in next door.
Yet ebulGery says he doesn't want his tax-paying neighbour in this new country voting purely on the basis of where he's come from ( oh he can if he pays an extra £906 more than me into the spongers pot ).
You're a tax racist ebul.
Yet ebulGery says he doesn't want his tax-paying neighbour in this new country voting purely on the basis of where he's come from ( oh he can if he pays an extra £906 more than me into the spongers pot ).
You're a tax racist ebul.
you are bonkers Bongo
If someone cannot be bothered to pay £906, they do not deserve to be British
If someone cannot be bothered to pay £906, they do not deserve to be British
You see a lot of our problems are caused by people coming to this country who do not want to be British, they do not like us
When someone moves here they are making a commitment for themselves, and by default their children, children's children,etc to be British
and uphold British value
They can call themselves British black, British Asian, British Muslim or British whatever, but if there is no British in there somewhere
they should not be here or voting.
When someone moves here they are making a commitment for themselves, and by default their children, children's children,etc to be British
and uphold British value
They can call themselves British black, British Asian, British Muslim or British whatever, but if there is no British in there somewhere
they should not be here or voting.
I have come to the conclusion that if anyone is bonkers it's NOT Bongo. Just a personal opinion.
Tax racism - the idea that the centuries old principle of 'no taxation without representation' should not apply to foreigners. Legally resident in the UK, paying taxes, come here because it's better than where they were before, contributing to the UK success story, but not welcome at the ballot box by ebulGery.
Are people who vote Labour...
lfc1971
lfc1971
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not very intelligent?
The people who are not intelligent are the ones who voute CONservative and tnen protest about public service cuts, welfare cuts and NHS cuts - 2 weeks to see a GP, AE overloaded etc...
Anyone that votes the CONs should not be allowed to protest about any of the above
ebul the communist only wants rich foreigners to be able to call themselves British. 
The Special Needs One arrives. The average chit chat forum IQ has just been reduced from a grapefuit to a tangerine.
Feb 25, 2015 -- 5:58PM, Eeternaloptimist wrote:
The Special Needs One arrives. The average chit chat forum IQ has just been reduced from a grapefuit to a tangerine.
Are you a complete Pleb??
All those people going on strike over pay and austerity cuts, who do you think they voted for??
Labour of course. They are the party of the public sector and spongers. Those who actually pay tax don't want it spent on one legged lesbian trombone facilitators and so would rather vote for you than Labour.
Poor point Special One : we vote for an individual normally sponsered by one particular party. NO-ONE agrees with every policy withinthat party. Of course you can both vote for a party AND object to one or more of their policies.
I love me Mum even though she could be horrid at times.
I love me Mum even though she could be horrid at times.
Ask Ed Balls. When asked which business leaders supported Labour after dozens foolishly wrote in supporting them in previous elections he said and I quote, "Bill somebody". Bill somebody. 
Feb 25, 2015 -- 6:28PM, Eeternaloptimist wrote:
Labour of course. They are the party of the public sector and spongers. Those who actually pay tax don't want it spent on one legged lesbian trombone facilitators and so would rather vote for you than Labour.
You having a laugh???
Is they voted Labour then why do we have a Coalition Cons/LibDen government?
Because the majority voted CONs and LibDems
So these people who voted CONs and LibDems cant then protest about austerity cuts, welfare cuts, 3 week GP waiting times etc...
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