*** Dragons v Red Rose tonight - Millenium Stadia...

TEAMS:

Wales: Leigh Halfpenny; Alex Cuthbert, Jonathan Davies, Jamie Roberts, George North; Dan Biggar, Rhys Webb; Gethin Jenkins, Richard Hibbard, Samson Lee, Jake Ball, Alun Wyn Jones, Dan Lydiate, Sam Warburton, Taulupe Faletau.

Replacements: Scott Baldwin, Paul James, Aaron Jarvis, Luke Charteris, Justin Tipuric, Mike Phillips, Rhys Priestland, Liam Williams.

England: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Luther Burrell), Jonny May; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Joe Marler, Dylan Hartley, Dan Cole, Dave Attwood, George Kruis, James Haskell, Chris Robshaw, Billy Vunipola.

Replacements: Tom Youngs, Mako Vunipola, Kieran Brookes, Nick Easter, Tom Croft, Richard Wigglesworth, Danny Cipriani, Billy Twelvetrees.

KICK-OFF: Friday, 20.05

PAST THREE MEETINGS:

England 29 Wales 18, Six Nations, March 2014

Wales 30 England 3, Six Nations, March 2013

England 12 Wales 19, February 2012

STATS:

England have not won at the Millennium Stadium since February 2011

These countries have met 127 times, England have won 57 while Wales have won 56

Only four of Wales' starting XV did not start against England in 2013 (Dan Lydiate, Rhys Webb, Samson Lee and Jake Ball)

My take is the heart ruling the head and to bet England with the 4.5 start and hoping we get away to a quick start as the evil, wicked Welsh will be champing at the bit to get stuck into our brave lads. Should be a cracker of a game.

Chomping*

Only way i can see Wales fackin this up is by over confidence. Everyone knows of Engerlands injury woes, but that may just play in to the Red Rose's hands. I still think the midfield of Engerlands is weak, and they will get hit hard - and them some...

So overall it's The Dragons by 10 -15 for me.

evil wicked welsh.... slip.

head ruling the heart for me, few quid on the nasty english+4.5.  Ideally we (wales) win by a point. Tho 30 would be so much better.

Can't wait. Having a few quid on England even though they're decimated with injuries. Interesting to see Cipriani back.

Freezing cold evening, pub, rugby

The roof is being kept open despite the Welsh coach Warren Gatland saying he wanted it closed. I'm not sure exactly what difference it makes either way but I agree with him in so far as it's their home stadium so they should be allowed to decide.

Anyway, good luck to all with their punting tonight and as long as England cover the handicap I'll be happy enough. An England outright win would be the gravy on top though.

I will be keeping a close eye on 'Box-kick Youngs' If he hasn't lost that rather nasty habit it will be exposed fully by the taffs..

Good luck all. And let's have a nice hard - but fair game..

FFS

A most pleasing start. And ol' box-kick has had hold of the ball 3 times and PASSED all 3! They listen in the end..

Wales 16 England 15. It's well and truly game on.

I'm not normally in favour of public beheadings.. but we should be allowed the occasional exception at the MS.

Good evening Ivor, hope you are in good form.

Dreadful missed penalty by us there.

noson dda ichi hefyd ;)

Fully deserved for Engerland. Wales asleep all second half.

A truly awful game, no cohesion, no flair. Engerlands 8 were magnifico.

Wales 16 England 21.  1 minute left

What a great passage of play then we defended the halfway line like it was the try line, so worried were we of leigh halfpenny kicking.

I love it, just love it when we beat the welsh.  Well done boys, absolutely smashed them in the second half, gave them a proper lesson.

Yeah I have to agree g2d, a totally deserved England win and the scrum were absolutely brilliant.

Last two times I have been to Cardiff Wales won both times, this is sweet indeed.

Yeah they have the basis of a very good side. I still worry about the midfields lack of power, but the young lads tonight played well enough. Did you see Twelvetrees when he came on? That's what they need.

And a word for the ref... For a frog ref that was a fantastic performance..

Not a Steve Walsh in sight.

.. and a female friend of mine, of more tha 35 years, died during the match after a lONG illness. A mizzerble evening :(
Well did England - you bar stewards.

Sorry to hear that Ivor. Sport is sport and life is life. Hope she had a good life.

Ivor has just jumped off seafront promenade at Aber - but the tide was out!!!

oh fkn hell I never saw that post of yours Ivor
you sure have some carp luck !!

all the best

stupid game anyway - I never even watched it

stay good in your welsh castle

It's okay - I layed the draw

If you think life is bad 1!??

my girlfriend has Benidorm on tv!!!!

It sort of makes you feel glad to be alive

or does it

take care Ivor

she has just won on the thunderball

I give up!!!!

Bend her over and sing Land of my Fathers to her...

That's just awful to read Ivor, my thoughts are with you mate. Always you have been one of the good guys on here and we have our rugby banter but that is just terrible to read your news.

yes but you can't stop yourself putting the boot into those welsh ba.... cattle rustlers and sheep herders   you you you  englander you!!!!

did you see my fk up J ?   I waded in right after Ivors post and never saw it

makes me look like a ****  - but not hard for me eh??
all the best!!!

Cheers (again!) Slippy. Former retail manager with me in the eighties, then a hotelier in Blackpool and latterly Llandudno. Jackie (emphysema) and her husband were best friends with my wife and myself for all those decades.. now both the ladies are gone... and both in their early sixties.
Need to joy every day we have don't us!

Moisok - you've always been a jerk - no need to change just for tonight!! When you coming over?

As you get older all your pillars of support, family, friends, older teachers, guides in life, uncles, kind grandparents, people you look up to, all fkn die.

I hate it!!!

Ivor my thoughts exactly.  My eldest finished at aber now  - what a story to tell there alone.
I know you sneer at hairdresser cars - I have two!!  If I hide them down at the harbour do you think I will get away with it??
Before we both die !!!!

I just think having a pub behind the buffers at Aber station is so cool (as my girls would say)!!!

Ivor, I have met moisok and his missus, we spent quite a boozy afternoon in my brothers pub and he is as sound as a pound.

You horrible welsh sheep person - you have depressed me now - as I reach for another speckled hen (no not the bird) speak soon
take care!!!!

I'm consuming a Fuggles and Goldings organic Golden Ale.. to you 'Jackie' with gratitude. xx
That's the FIRST time you've lied to me

I'm consuming a Fuggles and Goldings organic Golden Ale.. to you 'Jackie' with gratitude. xx
That's the FIRST time you've lied to me

I'm consuming a Fuggles and Goldings organic Golden Ale.. to you 'Jackie' with gratitude. xx
That's the FIRST time you've lied to me

I'm consuming a Fuggles and Goldings organic Golden Ale.. to you 'Jackie' with gratitude. xx
That's the FIRST time you've lied to me

I can't say the same for J   his name - slippy - says it all

as greasy and as slippery as an eel - don't trust him Ivor

all the worst wrapped up in an intorverted self seeking colonizing englishman

watch out wales - don't let him in!!!   they will take over

my bar bill after he met me caused shudders on the stock exchange

he spent most of his time looking up my lady's skirt  (or down it too)

but then it was remarkably short  hahahahah

right I will break out another to Jackie

stay good Ivor and J

grrr!
..That's the FIRST time you've lied to me Slippy - lettit be the last!

Need to have some joy in our worlds for sure, I have had a bloody very difficult last 12 months myself.

These people from whales never learn.  Way too uppity.  Look where it has got them.

forget the muslims - the threat is from the invasion from whales

did you know a hell of a lot of guys needing jobs headed for coventry  in the 50s!!!   

dont know why that sprang into my head - knew some glaswegians who operated in trumph in the late 50s and early 60s

loads of immigrant welsh

dont you fkn start J

Ivor has already depressed me - but then he is from whales

I will swing by in one of my hairdresser cars and we will visit the dreary man from whales

you will never recover J  I promise you  - I have been across that border

Horrific nightmares to this day!!!

I know he doesn't mean that and I only looked down her top once or twice anyway. Moisok, please stop besmirching my good name

YOU HAVEN'T GOT ONE

enough of the carp banter

mainly from me

all the best guys

speak soon

BENIDORM is still on   snore........................

pps  I liked that barmaid J   mmmmmmm

M. behave! and Goodnight!

NO WAY Iver - go and check on the sheep - are any of them radio active still!!!!!?????

Congrats to England for a terrific second half performance. I'm afraid Wales didn't get a sniff for virtually the last hour of the match apart from that opportunist drop goal on half-time. We never looked like scoring but for the many gifts England gave us early on. It was a surprise we were technically still in the match in the 80th minute.

Still, money is money and I layed my homeland at 10-0 at around 1/3 fearing the worst. And justifiably so.

sounds that it was really boring