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Mc Moonbeam
27 Jan 15 00:24
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Does anybody practice it at all

I need to still my mind , been suffering from almost panic attacks & head seizures lately & is seriously worrying stuffs !

I love the concept of it all but to actually practice it everyday may make me feel like I was going insane Blush
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Report naydam January 27, 2015 12:32 AM GMT
It's something to think about.
Report naydam January 27, 2015 12:34 AM GMT
I have no idea what a 'head seizure' is...but I suggest a visit to your GP would be a good place to start.
Report Mc Moonbeam January 27, 2015 12:37 AM GMT
yes it's worrying naydam , imagine you're Falling in your sleep when you suddenly wake up , while you're awake , never had it before but it's bad Sad
Report Scamp the man January 27, 2015 12:56 AM GMT
http://www.templeoflight.co.uk/    Might help you Mr Moonbeam
Report Scamp the man January 27, 2015 12:56 AM GMT
http://www.templeoflight.co.uk/    Might help you Mr Moonbeam
Report Mc Moonbeam January 27, 2015 1:05 AM GMT
Thanks Scamp


I think it's just due to extreme stress , but am worried it's much more serious (worry just leads to more worry)
Report Scamp the man January 27, 2015 1:08 AM GMT
Good luck Mc
Report boxingthefox January 27, 2015 1:10 AM GMT
Mc Moonbeam
yes it's worrying naydam , imagine you're Falling in your sleep when you suddenly wake up , while you're awake , never had it before but it's bad.

Had that fecker for years sometimes goes on for hours, GP said it's a version of vertigo. Alcohol makes it worse not on the night but the following night.
Report Mc Moonbeam January 27, 2015 1:12 AM GMT
Thanks Happy

there are some vids on youtube too , but seems there are different kinds of meditation
Report Mc Moonbeam January 27, 2015 1:17 AM GMT
Hi Fox
Thanks for your help , yes it always comes on more at night when I lie down to go to sleep , my heartbeat just Thumps so loudly I can't sleep (even timed it but is normal speed)  my head just seems to be struggling like a computer would

Hope you're getting along ok , sorry to have read what you have been through
Report boxingthefox January 27, 2015 1:25 AM GMT
Thanks mate I'm doing OK, we seem to have an ability to adapt, to me it's just a normal nuisance now. Stress will fck your whole system up, including your immune system, sounds like that's the one you need to tackle, Google stress busters there are some good links and see if it leads somewhere, good luck.
Report naydam January 27, 2015 1:27 AM GMT
You are in dire need of a visit to a doctor. You say it's 'worrying' and you say it's 'bad'...so you ask the advice of the chitchat forum!
This is far from the first time that you have mentioned problems on this forum and, apparently, you've made no attempt to address them.
You need to stop hiding away in your 'pokerworld' and make an appointment with a doc. You might be checked over and find nothing...great! You may Find that you are having a bout of 'depression', this would not be unusual for somebody with your job/hobby. It may even indicate something more serious...but if you don't go you will never find out and things would remain untreated.

You need to attend to this and the sooner the better. Then you could learn about meditation, as well.
That's the only advice that this forum member can give.   Plain
Report boxingthefox January 27, 2015 1:36 AM GMT
naydam, I would not disagree with anything you are saying, but GPs tend to go down the chemical route straight away without addressing the real cause. A change in lifestyle and thinking can work wonders. Just trying  something can have a great beneficial effect. So GP and self help may be the way.
Report Mc Moonbeam January 27, 2015 1:36 AM GMT
Glad you're alright & appreciate your 'expertise' Plain
It's frightening what stress can actually do to you , people would never realize if they've never seriously experienced it . seems to be some sort of anxiety attack , had it for 3 months on & off now , but now it's  always something different , back of my thighs beating too , and fingertips tingling numb , need to see the doctor methinks , but they only try & fob you off lightly Blush
Report Mc Moonbeam January 27, 2015 1:39 AM GMT
I've suffered with Depression for over 10 years , now it's more just stress & anxiety attacks


Try telling the doctor you play online poker for a living & no , you don't 'need' a sicknote Crazy
Report boxingthefox January 27, 2015 1:55 AM GMT
I'm offski, good luck Mc.
Report Mc Moonbeam January 27, 2015 1:58 AM GMT
I will be seeing the doctor , but you don't realize how many diff problems you can get at once , no doubt related somehow , but to reel them off to a doctor would make you sound like a hypochondriac

Fox is right , they will only prescribe tablets etc or arrange scans if they think it's more serious , but really aren't Interested in your actual day to day wellbeing !
Report Mc Moonbeam January 27, 2015 1:59 AM GMT
Take care mate Happy ty
Report naydam January 27, 2015 2:20 AM GMT
McM. I'm glad you didn't find my advice intrusive. I fully expected a bad response.
This tingling and numbness needs to be looked at for sure. Possibly neuropathic.
I would suggest that you make a written note of ALL of the symptoms that you have and your other concerns, too. That way, you won't forget to discuss the things that may be important. It is too easy completely forget to mention something.

The reason why I am so adamant that you MUST act is from my own experience. Just like all fellas, I didn't want to bother the doc. when I developed an irritating little cough...in fact it was more like a tickly throat. However, these two women I know kept getting on to me about it so, in the end, I made an appointment...just to shut them up! I saw the doc, he made an appointment for a specialist to have a look.
I explained to the specialist about these women bugging me until I did something. Anyway, after spotting polyps on my vocal chords, the specialist advised me that I owed those two women a big 'thank you'.
The polyps were malignant and were treated to a course of radiation 'zapping'. They are long gone now but only because I was pestered into it.

Here endeth the lesson!  ShockedGrin
Report U.A. January 27, 2015 9:48 AM GMT
About 12-13 years ago I had a bout of generalised anxiety disorder which is kind of like a permanent panic attack but not quite as intense. It felt as though I was just about to sit an exam even though I may be doing something very mundane.

Anyway I wanted to fix it but didn't want to go down the chemical route. I went to the doctor who referred me to a specialist who knew about cognitive behavioural therapy. So I used this therapy and it worked and have not had a relapse since.

CBT deals with the way that you think and says that the way you think affects the way feel. It looks at your distorted patterns of thinking and makes you confront and analyse them and from that process try to fix some of those distortions.

The danger of relying on things like meditation is that that kind of process involves you hiding away from the problem. It can cause the problem to abate but may not necessarily address the problem directly. Things like meditation, avoiding caffeine, reading rather than watching the telly (books not kindles) drinking various herbal teas can all help reduce your stress and may give you respite but not necessarily resolve the root cause of your problem.

Good luck, anxiety and depression disorders really can isolate you from everything and consume your life.
Report FlowerMyth January 27, 2015 9:59 AM GMT
I’ve been meditating (off and on) for more than thirty years. The best meditation is Mindfulness Meditation. It’s quick and relatively easy. I suggest you type that into Youtube, along with the word ‘guided’ and pick one about 10-20 minutes long where the person’s voice does not irritate you. Basically you sit comfortably, and the voice will talk you through progressively relaxing your body. This will help quieten the mind. You can’t stop it completely, but on the good days what you get is a pure kind of clarity. I say good days, because just like with anyone that goes running, some days are better than others.

A point to note is that it is completely normal for your mind to wander, for you to be less able some days to keep your mind from going astray. But with a few minutes focus it’s not really a big chunk out of your day. I set a timer for 10 minutes in the morning, fifteen or twenty in the afternoon. Typically, you focus on the breath coming in and out of the nose. I literally focus, with eyes closed (or you can open them slightly to stop you drifting off to sleep) on the inside of the tip of my nose, and ‘watch’ the breath coming and going, that’s it.

You might be wondering what this meditation actually does for you. What it does is make you realise that ‘you’ are not your thoughts and feelings, that they are actually just a rambling kind of other you in your head at the same time as a clearly focused intelligent you. That anxious you is not ‘you’. It’s a part of you that consumes you at the moment because you think there’s just one you in your head, and that it’s anxious and in a bad way. Not true, it’s just an aspect of a lesser you. Meditation helps you to see this clearly, really clearly. Most people never even realise this about themselves.

Think of it this way. If you’ve ever been in an argument where you are yelling and being yelled at, it takes up your full focus. You may be full of righteous indignation, or trying to bllshit your way out. All you can think of is the rights and wrongs being expressed. You are lost to the row. Think of the same argument but between two people that you are watching. You are removed from it because it’s not happening to you and therefore you feel more impartial about it. You can see truth and lies, but you are not so affected by it all – there’s a distance between you and these other two people. That’s what mindfulness meditation does, within your own mind. It makes you see that the mind in part goes chattering away, feeling this, feeling that, but there’s a deeper other you that watches, that isn’t swept up by emotion or fear. It’s this other you that the meditation brings to the surface and its bloody good. It can change your view of the world and it really makes life a lot richer.

As for panic attacks. I strongly urge you to change your facking diet, meditation won’t be able to mitigate the effects of a poor diet. People just don’t realise how sugar and wheat affect you mentally. In the 1960s there were several experiments done in mental institutions where schizophrenics were stopped from eating wheat and their symptoms went away or improved. You have to understand that panic is just a small part of your brain getting fired up (the amygdala) and what you eat contributes to that firing – sulphates in wine, metabisulphites in sausages - wheat in god knows everything.

I say this, if you really want to stop feeling bad all the time begin with your diet. For two weeks give up eating the crap you are eating now (and I know you are from things you’ve said in the past). Buy whole foods – vegetables, meat (not sausages), eggs and eat them every day, buy the best quality you can afford (free range organic etc). If you need to snack, buy nuts or cheese or both. Cut as much sugar and all wheat out of your diet for two weeks, drink none of that sugary pop and no alcohol. I am sure you will find as I did that mental clarity comes, you’ll feel more centred and more confident more of the time.
Report Pinot Noir January 27, 2015 11:32 AM GMT
Lay down,close your eyes and listen to this.

Should relax you,and may even fall asleep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uin2q_hEHlU
Report Thin and Crispy January 27, 2015 11:54 AM GMT
Meditation is treating the symptons not the cause. IMO you need the change where you are and what you are doing.  Staying in the same enviroment doing the same thing gives you the same result.
Report bix January 27, 2015 2:00 PM GMT
I have long thought that gambling must have a detrimental affect on the body and often the mind. The anxiety or/and excitement must play havoc with blood pressure and many bodily functions on a daily basis.
Meditation will help enormously but it is not an instant cure for your problems and as T&C and Flowermyth say ideally you need to change other ares of your life as well.
Following the breath in and out is an excellent way to start meditation.
As you let your attention rest in the experience of the breath be sure to notice particularly how it rises and passes away. This rising and passing away is one of the fundamental truths of life. Everything passes away and is impermanent.
Report Burton-Brewers January 27, 2015 2:21 PM GMT
this will go the same way as his plans to go to the gym........nowhere. The Queen Mum (gawd bless her) has more get up and go.
Report crags January 27, 2015 2:39 PM GMT
An attention seeking thread from moony... quelle surprise Tongue Out
Report rob_dylan January 27, 2015 4:07 PM GMT
I sometimes get that thing where you’re half asleep half awake and you think you’re falling and you get butterflies and then you do wake up but you’re not even sure if you’re awake and, well, it’s quite exciting all that I reckon and cheaper than Thorpe Park.  Did hypnotherapy a bit to give up smoking but wouldn't touch meditation with a barge pole mate.
Report Mc Moonbeam January 27, 2015 9:07 PM GMT
Thanks very much for your genuine replies , especially U.A ,Flowermyth & Bix
It gives me some hope & also saddens me that you guys have all suffered with the same symptoms , but at least i know i'm not alone & going completely Insane (though does sure feel that way)
I realize they're probably standard symptoms for stress/anxiety disorders & although i've suffered from long term depression & also experienced 2 mental breakdowns i've never really suffered in this way with head panics before , they're extremely worrying for sure !

I realize why i'm suffering , my lifestyle is only so much that one person can mentally take , playing so much poker really took its toll on me last year & there's constant pressure to keep up & grind tough (some of the best players in the world) money to pay bills , stressed & feel miserable with my flat i bought (wanting to buy another one & move on again) but i am trying to change things
I gave up smoking & mainly drinking over christmas , still have the odd can but don't buy or even really enjoy beer anymore , i use an e-cig regularly & maybe the odd spirit in a hot drink Wink

as for diet i don't exactly eat badly but at the same time find it difficult to eat extremely healthy , just to keep up with buying fresh veg etc & also takes time up to cook it all livng alone can grind you down , there's only so much time in a day

though Sugar is something that rings alarm bells for me
I drink a lot of tea throughout the day which i know makes your heartbeat increase but my body is almost telling me the sugar needs to be cut (without me even reading anything about it) so only put one sugar in tea now , i've read about diabetes but have never had it mentioned to me by a doctor before .

One this i have been advised in the past is as U.A says Cognitive Behaviour Therapy
I think this might really help & maybe change my generally depressive outlook on life in general, but would also be difficult for me to Trust & open up to the therapist , life as a gambler is extremely stressful & difficult to talk to people about , Professionals Instantly just view you as a lazy layabout loser type that needs help (whether they'd ever admit to it or not) they just have a job to do imo

It was actually Mindfulness (Jon Kabat Zinn) i was looking into Flower Myth
I haven't started yet but am taking it all in for now , i know it won't solve the more physical aspect but i've heard so much about meditation (from top level poker pro's) & i definitely think it's too easily dismissed & underestimated by many , just the simple calmness you get from taking a few very deep slow breaths is amazing , i also feel quite tranquil with my head laid back under  nice hot bath , so these techniques seem worth taking time to look into more to me personally

It does take time to master but the long term benefits would easily outweigh the time invested.

I think society today just moves at such a fast pace constantly being brainwashed by television , adverts & technology , plus the need to get ahead in life forced upon us , you just have to learn to completely switch off from it all & learn to think on a higher level , the powers & the elite aim is to constantly keep you confused , that way we're so much easier to manipulate & control for them

I feel my time scale is just completely distorted & has been like an all out assault of my nervous system Sad

Thanks again for your replies have been very helpful to read , so many good guys on this forum Happy
Report Burton-Brewers January 27, 2015 9:28 PM GMT
your welcome Happy
Report Mc Moonbeam January 27, 2015 9:36 PM GMT
Not a good plan to join a gym when you're skipping town & also have a bad shoulder which was operated on so can't do too much there anyway
I'd like to start going swimming just to relax & exercise but haven't got a car at the moment
Report naydam January 27, 2015 9:43 PM GMT
So, that's it then, is it? Buy another self-help book and carry on as before. Yup!...That should sort everything out.
Although I've not quite worked out how you are going to find all the time to learn and to use your relaxation/meditation techniques, when buying and cooking fresh vegetables seems to present a problem.

I wish you all the best in your endeavours, but I strongly suspect that a similar post will appear before the year is out and nothing will have changed.
Report crags January 27, 2015 11:58 PM GMT
I know for certain now that moony is an utter gob****

Surely him and that Shalk 04? guy are one and the same?
Anyway, I don't post much on here these days so good luck to him... and you readers Love
Report spellingandgrammarchecker January 28, 2015 12:32 AM GMT
Mc Moonbeam    27 Jan 15 01:36 
and fingertips tingling numb , need to see the doctor methinks , but they only try & fob you off lightly


Are you round-shouldered? Do you sit upright in front of your computer or hunched over, for long spells? Do you get dizzy spells? Do your arms feel weak? Is your hand co-ordination normal?
Report Mc Moonbeam January 28, 2015 12:59 AM GMT
I try & sit upright but it's not possible long term so yeah I do hunch over as am constantly concentrating on the screen .

Don't really get dizzy at all .

My arms hand co-ordination is ok .

so just tingling really , I was told it could be resting my elbows on the desk too much damages the nerve endings in your arms .

I also suffer from like shooting electric shocks in my hands & feet so maybe naydam is onto something with the Neuropathic stuff , just looked it up on wiki

Like I say so many different things going on it's tough to just tell somebody 'your symptoms'
Report crags January 28, 2015 1:00 AM GMT
fucck me.. moony is only about 32 in this guise isn't he?
Still, if you want to pander to him ,CMAT, that's your choice.
Report crags January 28, 2015 1:07 AM GMT
You are both bubbling under on my to be REPORTED list
Report crags January 28, 2015 2:03 PM GMT
Strange, don't remember being on here last night. Looks like I've been hacked Angry
Report crags January 29, 2015 1:26 AM GMT
http://youtu.be/oiEqWYawpeU
Report crags January 29, 2015 1:29 AM GMT
Sorry, wrong thread Mischief
Report naydam January 29, 2015 1:38 AM GMT
Don't worry, nobody noticed. Happy
Report crags January 29, 2015 1:52 AM GMT
moony did, his light has just come on Excited
Report crags January 29, 2015 2:08 AM GMT
It's gone off again Laugh What a jerk that guy is.
Report Mc Moonbeam January 29, 2015 11:01 PM GMT
It's nice to know I attract such cheerful trolls Cool
Report boxingthefox January 29, 2015 11:08 PM GMT
Hi Mc, hope everything is good with you, I'm off to try for an early night, good luck. Wink
Report Mc Moonbeam January 29, 2015 11:22 PM GMT
Yep all good , Cheers Fox

Hope you're doing ok too !

Bed is the best place sometimes Mischief
Report crags January 30, 2015 1:43 AM GMT
I'm not a troll!
Report Mc Moonbeam January 30, 2015 2:28 AM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg
Report U.A. January 31, 2015 8:47 AM GMT
The stress you experience isn’t necessarily derived from the situation but how you interpret it. E.g. If you are driving to meet a friend and you hit heavy traffic on the one hand you may become agitated feeling that it is rude to be late, edging forward and driving aggressively, cursing at the other cars etc. On the other hand you could just go with it knowing that you can’t do anything about it, accept that you would be a bit late and explain it when you get there knowing that s/he would understand as it happens to everyone at some point. Exactly the same situation but 2 completely different levels of stress exerted on the body entirely dependent on your perception of the situation.

From what I recall of CBT it isn’t like psychoanalysis. The emphasis is on you and it’s over a shorter time period. Yes you will have to divulge personal information about yourself but the focus is on looking at your patterns of thinking and really rationalizing them. I’ll give you an example for me. I used to have dark thoughts and it used to freak me out even though I knew I would never do anything based on them. One week I was told to go home and talk to the cold tap and tell hot water to come out of it. He basically said are you the great U.A.? Just because you think something does it mean that it will happen? Of course I always knew that but when someone points it out and makes you start talking to a tap it helps you confront and realise some of your distorted thought processes.

Anyway I don’t see a problem telling a stranger my details if I genuinely think they can help. It seems that you are worried about being wrongfully pre-judged as a person but maybe in doing so you are wrongly pre-judging others. How important is it to resolve your issues. Let me ask you a hypothetical question. Would you tell a complete stranger your details if in doing so it gave you a 50/50 chance of winning £100,000. Anyway there are hundreds of books on the matter. I think the one I had was called Mind over Mood and they provide you with various exercises that you can try and do and help explain things.

It may not work, just because it worked for me doesn’t mean it will work for everyone, but you may want to give it a serious go, going into it believing it could well work (otherwise why bother). As far as I see it you could have everything to gain and very little to lose.

Whatever route you take though good luck with it, I hope you can resolve your issues.
Report padlock January 31, 2015 11:07 AM GMT
Interesting read,I would advise a bit of yoga tbh and swimming if possible
Report crags October 16, 2016 1:41 AM BST
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Report digdeep October 16, 2016 2:44 AM BST
Used to get in trouble for day dreaming at school still do it now ,now they tell me it's good for you . Teachers were always out of touch,told me rock music wouldn't last 5minutes they were only hot on the past new nothing about the future.prob still true.
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