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By:
FredRescue
When: 24 Jan 15 14:05
Powell stuck to his beliefs nad principles and was an admirable politician with backbone.
By:
jed.davison
When: 24 Jan 15 14:08
They are claims made by someone with intimate knowledge of the working methods and culture of the CIA and MI6.

You should remember that Powell was an Ulster Unionist MP at the time of the Mountbatten murder - why would a man in such a position not be happy to go along with the official line that he was killed by the Provos?

Powell was a man of principle, who sacrificed his personal ambitions to warn against events which have largely come about in spite of his warning, and was brought down by people who can best be described as dolts when compared to him. We could do with one or two like him now - instead we have a parliament full of men like the Quisling Ted Heath which is why even today, upon the death of a beheader of women, the arch enemy of free speech and a flogger of Liberal bloggers, our flag flies at half mast.
By:
paddletoe
When: 24 Jan 15 14:56
I know Enoch Powell was an ulster unionist mp at the time he made his claims Jed. I live in northern Ireland. On the same day Lord Mounbatten's boat was blown up in Mullaghmore in Sligo the ira killed 18 british soldiers in warrenpoint. It would defy any reasonable logic to suggest the ira did not carry out both of those events which happened on the very same day.

Sad and tragic loss of lives for all those people killed that day by the way. But Enoch Powell's claims are incredible to say the least.
By:
jed.davison
When: 24 Jan 15 15:10
Not a bit too convenient?

I echo your thoughts about the tragedy of it all though mate, whoever the perpetrators.
By:
pumphol.
When: 24 Jan 15 15:19
jed.davison    24 Jan 15 15:10 
Not a bit too convenient?

I rarely post on conspiracy theories but in this case is it not possible if this claim was true that the CIA would possibly have prior knowledge to what the IRA were up to at any given time ?
By:
jed.davison
When: 24 Jan 15 15:27
I was going to post the same pumpy, well known that by this time the IRA had been well and truly compromised.
By:
knot in wood
When: 24 Jan 15 15:32
just 1 at uttoxeter,cannot keep a good man down.
By:
akabula
When: 24 Jan 15 15:34
I obviously knew about Enoch's speech but reading what Churchill said was a revelation.
We can't say we weren't warned.
By:
pumphol.
When: 24 Jan 15 15:34
Laugh
By:
pumphol.
When: 24 Jan 15 15:37
Yes Jed, some of these theories are incredulous but not on this occasion, not saying I think its true mind you  just not as impossible as many I have heard.
By:
jed.davison
When: 24 Jan 15 15:45
Yeah mate, I'm not a great believer in any of them given they're normally espoused by loonies in their underpants at a keyboard, but I doubt Enoch would have made such claims without foundation - would have been most unlike him.
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 24 Jan 15 16:31
NOT ALL GERMANS WERE FANATICS BUT THEY FOLLOWED THEIR LEADER
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 24 Jan 15 17:13
excellent point do wah diddy
By:
pumphol.
When: 24 Jan 15 17:23
Shocked
By:
kincsem
When: 24 Jan 15 17:38
Shocking turn of events.  Scared
Do wah Diddy joins a thread instead of starting a thread and replying to himself a few dozen times.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 24 Jan 15 18:26
I must have missed where you answered my question about what aspect of Churchill's quote was wrong Fred. Take your time. You clearly are. Laugh
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 24 Jan 15 18:28
Here you go if you need any help:

'Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
'Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
'No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'
By:
Foinavon
When: 24 Jan 15 18:29
forgot to switch accounts maybe?
By:
Foinavon
When: 24 Jan 15 18:30
reply to kincsem
By:
pumphol.
When: 24 Jan 15 18:39
Plain
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 24 Jan 15 22:25
YOU GO TO TUNISIA OR TURKEY,OR INDIA OR SAUDEE ARABIA OR SUDAN  OR IRAQ OR IRAN OR AFGHANISTAN AND ASK THE MUSLIM IN THE STREET IF YOU CAN HAVE A GAY DAY PARADE IN THEIR COUNTRY AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT FREE SPEECH
By:
curious-cat
When: 25 Jan 15 02:25
I'd like to see Do wah on a gay march.
By:
pawras
When: 25 Jan 15 07:50
He seemed to have some contradictory views, i.e. in his book “The River War” and then the mosque in London and dressing in Arab clothes with his pal.
By:
JBNAY
When: 25 Jan 15 08:57
So he does know how to use that caps lock after all
By:
doridoru
When: 25 Jan 15 09:25
Good to see some feedback! Laugh

Fred still hasn't answered any of the questions lol
By:
jed.davison
When: 25 Jan 15 10:35
Of course he hasn't doridoru

It is the paradox of the Left's position on Islam - they are happy to scream their usual screams of 'racism,' 'cultural imperialism' and the like to shout down those of us who are rightly suspicious of it, but if forced to go any further they are lost. Their refusal and inability to extend the debate beyond these parameters belies the weakness of their position, in that the only things they have in common with Islam is their hatred of Western democracy and their absolute denial of anyone else's right to have an opinion which contradicts theirs.

Fred won't be along any time soon, because shouting 'racist' at the man who more than anyone inspired the British people to resist Nazism is the limit of his argument.
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 25 Jan 15 11:17
time to ban religion
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 25 Jan 15 11:23
Fred has been on the politics forum though. So many on the left follow the same pattern that it simply cannot be coincidence. Lie, lie and lie again and then when questioned abuse and disappear.
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