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Never knew about Churchill's speech on Islam till now, what a prophet! ;)
'How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!,' wrote Churchill.
'Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
It goes on from there and confirms the truth 100 years later...and a fella got arrested for reading the speech in public last year, our country is finnish!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614834/Arrested-quoting-Winston-Churchill-European-election-candidate-accused-religious-racial-harassment-repeats-wartime-prime-ministers-words-Islam-campaign-speech.html
'How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!,' wrote Churchill.
'Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
It goes on from there and confirms the truth 100 years later...and a fella got arrested for reading the speech in public last year, our country is finnish!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614834/Arrested-quoting-Winston-Churchill-European-election-candidate-accused-religious-racial-harassment-repeats-wartime-prime-ministers-words-Islam-campaign-speech.html
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Churchill was a racist white supremacist, why else would he have said anything else?
Yup they are the facts, and Fred is just been an obv troll, white supremacist he wasnt called Hitler!!!
Staggering, truly incredible. Never heard about this at the time.
Listen to his interview afterwards. Speaks very well.
Listen to his interview afterwards. Speaks very well.
Judge not that you not be judged. Churchill was the product of a 19th century upbringing. Of course his views will appear strange to children of the 21st century as will ours to those of the 23rd century.
His grandson said he wouldn't have coped in modern politics
The passage from the book, written by the wartime Prime Minister and first published in 1899, focuses on Churchill's observations about Islam while serving during the Anglo-Egyptian reconquest of the Sudan.
Mr Weston told his audience: 'Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
'Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
'No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'
Superb
Mr Weston told his audience: 'Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
'Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
'No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'
Superb
doridoru 24 Jan 15 09:45 Joined: 14 May 10 | Topic/replies: 4,696 | Blogger: doridoru's blog
What an idiot you are...you leftist ****
The old when you have lost an argument resort to playground insults routine
What an idiot you are...you leftist ****
The old when you have lost an argument resort to playground insults routine
The point is not whether these views fit with modern politics ( I think they do and need to be heard).
It's about a man being arrested by several policemen for expressing those views.
It's about a man being arrested by several policemen for expressing those views.
Fred
Where has someone lost the argument with you?
Weren't you the first to reduce Churchill to little more than a playground insult when you dismissed him as a racist white supremacist with all the mental images which come with such a term?
Let me make this really simple for you:
Where did Churchill err in his assessment?
Where has someone lost the argument with you?
Weren't you the first to reduce Churchill to little more than a playground insult when you dismissed him as a racist white supremacist with all the mental images which come with such a term?
Let me make this really simple for you:
Where did Churchill err in his assessment?
1.01 the case will be dropped, such foolish police.
This story is about a man who was arrested for inciting racial hatred.
If he was quoting Churchill, a well known racist white supremacist warmonger then I expect the arrest on those grounds was justified.
Churchill may pick on certain religions for be militant but he should probably start off looking closer to home.
If he was quoting Churchill, a well known racist white supremacist warmonger then I expect the arrest on those grounds was justified.
Churchill may pick on certain religions for be militant but he should probably start off looking closer to home.
Where did Churchill err in his assessment?
Come on FredRescue, make some effort to answer the question or we'll have to conclude that you can't answer it.
It's a fair question.
Come on FredRescue, make some effort to answer the question or we'll have to conclude that you can't answer it.
It's a fair question.
If he was quoting Churchill, a well known racist white supremacist warmonger then I expect the arrest on those grounds was justified.
what a clown,why not show us all why Churchill and Enoch Powell were wrong? rather than name call,history has proven both of them to be prophets. By the way Gladstone a Liberal said the same.
what a clown,why not show us all why Churchill and Enoch Powell were wrong? rather than name call,history has proven both of them to be prophets. By the way Gladstone a Liberal said the same.
William Ewart Gladstone (1809–1898) was Prime Minister of Great Britain four times: 1868–74, 1880–85, 1886 and 1892–94. He called the Qur’an an “accursed book” and once held it up during a session of Parliament, declaring: “So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world.”
Which one of Churchill's numerous assessments are you exactly on about? all Muslims are fanatics?
Churchill has gone up in my estimation no end tis morning.
If he was quoting Churchill, a well known racist white supremacist warmonger then I expect the arrest on those grounds was justified.
what a clown,why not show us all why Churchill and Enoch Powell were wrong? rather than name call,history has proven both of them to be prophets. By the way Gladstone a Liberal said the same.
So you are agreeing that Whites are the superior race? I am not sure what you are disagreeing/agreeing with here? Enoch Powell?
what a clown,why not show us all why Churchill and Enoch Powell were wrong? rather than name call,history has proven both of them to be prophets. By the way Gladstone a Liberal said the same.
So you are agreeing that Whites are the superior race? I am not sure what you are disagreeing/agreeing with here? Enoch Powell?
Churchill was no different to any other politician past or present, said one thing did another, I can't be bothered to educate the gormless as to why Churchill and the King encouraged the building of the central mosque in London. So here are a few C/P morsels as your starter for 10, do the rest yourselves. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11314580/Sir-Winston-Churchill-s-family-feared-he-might-convert-to-Islam.html
The recent article in the telegraph, publishes a letter from his then future sister in law Lady Gwendoline Bertie begging him not to convert to Islam, a religion which fasinated him......"Churchill approved plans to build a mosque in central London and set aside £100,000 for the project. He continued to back the building of what became the London Central Mosque in Regent’s Park – which he hoped would win support for Britain in the Muslim world at a crucial moment – even in the face of public criticism.
In December 1941, he told the House of Commons: “Many of our friends in Muslim countries all over the East have already expressed great appreciation of this gift.”
Churchill’s attitude may appear hypocritical, given his forthright defence of the British Empire – which at its height ruled over millions of Muslims across India, Egypt and the Middle East. ............. “His views of Islamic people and culture were an often paradoxical and complex combination of imperialist perceptions composed of typical orientalist ideals fused with the respect, understanding and magnanimity he had gained from his experiences in his early military career, creating a perspective that was uniquely Churchillian.”
The revelation that Churchill had a close affinity for Muslim culture comes at a time when tensions between the three great monotheistic faiths, Christianity, Judaism and Islam are greater than they have been for centuries.
From Wiki......1940 The British Government is persuaded to present a site for a mosque in London for the Muslim community of Great Britain. On 24 October the Churchill War Cabinet authorizes allocation of £100,000 for acquisition of a mosque site in London (WAR CABINET: 276 (40). National Archives - See also Report WP (G)(40) 268 of 18 October 1940). The intent was to enable Muslims in Britain to build a mosque and an Islamic Cultural Centre, so they could conduct affairs pertaining to their faith. The gift was also intended as a tribute to the thousands of Indian Muslim soldiers who died defending the British Empire
1944 A Mosque Committee comprising various prominent Muslim diplomats and Muslim residents in the United Kingdom accepted the gift and The Islamic Cultural Centre which includes the London Central Mosque, was established and officially opened in November by His Majesty King George VI.
The recent article in the telegraph, publishes a letter from his then future sister in law Lady Gwendoline Bertie begging him not to convert to Islam, a religion which fasinated him......"Churchill approved plans to build a mosque in central London and set aside £100,000 for the project. He continued to back the building of what became the London Central Mosque in Regent’s Park – which he hoped would win support for Britain in the Muslim world at a crucial moment – even in the face of public criticism.
In December 1941, he told the House of Commons: “Many of our friends in Muslim countries all over the East have already expressed great appreciation of this gift.”
Churchill’s attitude may appear hypocritical, given his forthright defence of the British Empire – which at its height ruled over millions of Muslims across India, Egypt and the Middle East. ............. “His views of Islamic people and culture were an often paradoxical and complex combination of imperialist perceptions composed of typical orientalist ideals fused with the respect, understanding and magnanimity he had gained from his experiences in his early military career, creating a perspective that was uniquely Churchillian.”
The revelation that Churchill had a close affinity for Muslim culture comes at a time when tensions between the three great monotheistic faiths, Christianity, Judaism and Islam are greater than they have been for centuries.
From Wiki......1940 The British Government is persuaded to present a site for a mosque in London for the Muslim community of Great Britain. On 24 October the Churchill War Cabinet authorizes allocation of £100,000 for acquisition of a mosque site in London (WAR CABINET: 276 (40). National Archives - See also Report WP (G)(40) 268 of 18 October 1940). The intent was to enable Muslims in Britain to build a mosque and an Islamic Cultural Centre, so they could conduct affairs pertaining to their faith. The gift was also intended as a tribute to the thousands of Indian Muslim soldiers who died defending the British Empire
1944 A Mosque Committee comprising various prominent Muslim diplomats and Muslim residents in the United Kingdom accepted the gift and The Islamic Cultural Centre which includes the London Central Mosque, was established and officially opened in November by His Majesty King George VI.
If he was quoting Churchill, a well known racist white supremacist
Well known by who?
Well known by who?
Well Churchill himself said
"I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
Any more evidence required?
"I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
Any more evidence required?
A little learning is a dangerous thing;
drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
and drinking largely sobers us again.
drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
and drinking largely sobers us again.
He was merely commenting on events of the time ,was that wrong?
more prophecy Australia was a desert until our convicts arrived and built a fine civilisation.
It was not supremacy it was progress,now has multiculturalism benefited us and if so is it Black supremacy because of that? or progress?
more prophecy Australia was a desert until our convicts arrived and built a fine civilisation.
It was not supremacy it was progress,now has multiculturalism benefited us and if so is it Black supremacy because of that? or progress?
Does Islamic verse benefit a well developed civilisation like the UK? yes/no? that is the question not skin colour.
A.H HUNTER esq, you conviently forgot to mention the most complete act of genocide in human history, the entire population of Tasmania was wiped out by "progress" A people that had lived in exalted isolation for over 12,000 years.
Why are there so many Aussies over here....................felons just love to return to the scene of the crime.
Also, describing Australia as a great civilization is a bit strong. They drink Fosters and play Aussie Rules ffs.
The problem is not colour of skin or "race" (whatever that means) (Chinese man married to German has child who marries Tanzanaian and they then have a chid - what's his/her race?).
No the obvious problem is religious (superstitious) loonies - whether their superstition is classified as Christian, Muslim or whatever.
They're all intellectual pygmies who can't think for themselves.
And that's the problem
No the obvious problem is religious (superstitious) loonies - whether their superstition is classified as Christian, Muslim or whatever.
They're all intellectual pygmies who can't think for themselves.
And that's the problem
Have to get on now, some serious GAMBOOOLING to be done, good luck today guys.
boxingthefox ...
I didn't mean black pygmies, obviously - just Jewish ones
(sorry, only joking)
I didn't mean black pygmies, obviously - just Jewish ones
(sorry, only joking)
I always find it interesting when people mention Enoch Powell they say how prophetic and right he was about immigration but they fail to answer the question how right he was about his astonishing claims that the CIA killed high ranking British politicians and Lord Mountbatten.
More likely he was a fantasist who made a lot of claims and some of them just happened to be right.
More likely he was a fantasist who made a lot of claims and some of them just happened to be right.
Again I tell you that Enoch Powell was one of the greatest Englishmen ever born. Feel free to read the story of his life and his achievements.
If you want to read about something he was spot-on about, try the European Union.
How do you reconcile such astonishing claims which I mentioned when he also implied MI6 may also have been involved with the CIA. I mean those claims are not just like having certain strong opinions that may be proven to be right or wrong - they are so astonishing to be equivalent to believing in aliens.
Powell stuck to his beliefs nad principles and was an admirable politician with backbone.
They are claims made by someone with intimate knowledge of the working methods and culture of the CIA and MI6.
You should remember that Powell was an Ulster Unionist MP at the time of the Mountbatten murder - why would a man in such a position not be happy to go along with the official line that he was killed by the Provos?
Powell was a man of principle, who sacrificed his personal ambitions to warn against events which have largely come about in spite of his warning, and was brought down by people who can best be described as dolts when compared to him. We could do with one or two like him now - instead we have a parliament full of men like the Quisling Ted Heath which is why even today, upon the death of a beheader of women, the arch enemy of free speech and a flogger of Liberal bloggers, our flag flies at half mast.
You should remember that Powell was an Ulster Unionist MP at the time of the Mountbatten murder - why would a man in such a position not be happy to go along with the official line that he was killed by the Provos?
Powell was a man of principle, who sacrificed his personal ambitions to warn against events which have largely come about in spite of his warning, and was brought down by people who can best be described as dolts when compared to him. We could do with one or two like him now - instead we have a parliament full of men like the Quisling Ted Heath which is why even today, upon the death of a beheader of women, the arch enemy of free speech and a flogger of Liberal bloggers, our flag flies at half mast.
I know Enoch Powell was an ulster unionist mp at the time he made his claims Jed. I live in northern Ireland. On the same day Lord Mounbatten's boat was blown up in Mullaghmore in Sligo the ira killed 18 british soldiers in warrenpoint. It would defy any reasonable logic to suggest the ira did not carry out both of those events which happened on the very same day.
Sad and tragic loss of lives for all those people killed that day by the way. But Enoch Powell's claims are incredible to say the least.
Sad and tragic loss of lives for all those people killed that day by the way. But Enoch Powell's claims are incredible to say the least.
Not a bit too convenient?
I echo your thoughts about the tragedy of it all though mate, whoever the perpetrators.
I echo your thoughts about the tragedy of it all though mate, whoever the perpetrators.
jed.davison 24 Jan 15 15:10
Not a bit too convenient?
I rarely post on conspiracy theories but in this case is it not possible if this claim was true that the CIA would possibly have prior knowledge to what the IRA were up to at any given time ?
Not a bit too convenient?
I rarely post on conspiracy theories but in this case is it not possible if this claim was true that the CIA would possibly have prior knowledge to what the IRA were up to at any given time ?
I was going to post the same pumpy, well known that by this time the IRA had been well and truly compromised.
I obviously knew about Enoch's speech but reading what Churchill said was a revelation.
We can't say we weren't warned.
We can't say we weren't warned.
Yes Jed, some of these theories are incredulous but not on this occasion, not saying I think its true mind you just not as impossible as many I have heard.
Yeah mate, I'm not a great believer in any of them given they're normally espoused by loonies in their underpants at a keyboard, but I doubt Enoch would have made such claims without foundation - would have been most unlike him.
NOT ALL GERMANS WERE FANATICS BUT THEY FOLLOWED THEIR LEADER
Shocking turn of events. 
Do wah Diddy joins a thread instead of starting a thread and replying to himself a few dozen times.
Do wah Diddy joins a thread instead of starting a thread and replying to himself a few dozen times.
I must have missed where you answered my question about what aspect of Churchill's quote was wrong Fred. Take your time. You clearly are. 
Here you go if you need any help:
'Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
'Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
'No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'
'Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
'Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
'No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'
YOU GO TO TUNISIA OR TURKEY,OR INDIA OR SAUDEE ARABIA OR SUDAN OR IRAQ OR IRAN OR AFGHANISTAN AND ASK THE MUSLIM IN THE STREET IF YOU CAN HAVE A GAY DAY PARADE IN THEIR COUNTRY AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT FREE SPEECH
He seemed to have some contradictory views, i.e. in his book “The River War” and then the mosque in London and dressing in Arab clothes with his pal.
Good to see some feedback!
Fred still hasn't answered any of the questions lol
Fred still hasn't answered any of the questions lol
Of course he hasn't doridoru
It is the paradox of the Left's position on Islam - they are happy to scream their usual screams of 'racism,' 'cultural imperialism' and the like to shout down those of us who are rightly suspicious of it, but if forced to go any further they are lost. Their refusal and inability to extend the debate beyond these parameters belies the weakness of their position, in that the only things they have in common with Islam is their hatred of Western democracy and their absolute denial of anyone else's right to have an opinion which contradicts theirs.
Fred won't be along any time soon, because shouting 'racist' at the man who more than anyone inspired the British people to resist Nazism is the limit of his argument.
It is the paradox of the Left's position on Islam - they are happy to scream their usual screams of 'racism,' 'cultural imperialism' and the like to shout down those of us who are rightly suspicious of it, but if forced to go any further they are lost. Their refusal and inability to extend the debate beyond these parameters belies the weakness of their position, in that the only things they have in common with Islam is their hatred of Western democracy and their absolute denial of anyone else's right to have an opinion which contradicts theirs.
Fred won't be along any time soon, because shouting 'racist' at the man who more than anyone inspired the British people to resist Nazism is the limit of his argument.
Fred has been on the politics forum though. So many on the left follow the same pattern that it simply cannot be coincidence. Lie, lie and lie again and then when questioned abuse and disappear.
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