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rob_dylan
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"4 days' annual leave"

Have I got it right?
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Report Ovalman. January 18, 2015 1:28 PM GMT
Punctuation is not my strong point but don't think you need an apostrophe?
Report PatraTheCat January 18, 2015 1:29 PM GMT
Yep. The way to check if s' is required is to change it to the singular. "1 day's annual leave" sounds right and "1 day annual leave" sounds wrong, so logically an apostrpohe is required in plural cases too, and plural apostrophes always go after the s.
Report PatraTheCat January 18, 2015 1:30 PM GMT
"Yep" was to OP.
Report rob_dylan January 18, 2015 1:31 PM GMT
one week's time
two weeks' time

Both above are correct because the time belongs to the week, ie it is possessive.  I thought it might be something like that but not sure now.  "days worth of annual leave" does that mean possessive?
Report rob_dylan January 18, 2015 1:31 PM GMT
Thanks Patra.
Report Ovalman. January 18, 2015 2:56 PM GMT
Words of wisdom from me Crazy

Learn something new every day, thanks also Patra.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet January 18, 2015 3:11 PM GMT
I'm with Oval, don't see the need for an apostrophe.
Report paulypaul January 18, 2015 3:24 PM GMT
It's a plural, not possessive so no apostrophe I would say...
Report rob_dylan January 18, 2015 3:48 PM GMT
"4 annual leave days" = defo no apostrophe.

"4 days' annual leave" = just feels like it needs an apostrophe imo.
Report Charlie January 18, 2015 3:53 PM GMT
I'm on the no apostrophe side.

The cook's annual leave  The leave belongs to one cook.
The cooks' annual leave.  The leave belongs to several cooks.
4 days annual leave.  The leave doesn't belong to days.
Report lfc1971 January 18, 2015 3:55 PM GMT
It would help if petrathe cat compared like with like..so
`one days annual leave` sounds right and
`one day`s annual leave also sounds right
  one day annual leave of course doesn't

no apostrophe needed.
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 3:59 PM GMT
There has been talk about scrapping the apostrophe altogether.

There's certainly a case for scrapping the possessive use of the apostrophe,  simply because of the confusion it causes with road names.
Like in the example above, what difference does it make?
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 4:01 PM GMT
I think rob-Dylan is correct by the way.

It's possessive by association.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet January 18, 2015 4:05 PM GMT
He must be wrong then!
Report Mc Moonbeam January 18, 2015 4:06 PM GMT
I wouldn't use an apostrophe either Ovalman , just looks a bit daft used that way imo
Report Makybe_Diva January 18, 2015 4:09 PM GMT
Rob is correct in his use of the apostrophe.
Report lfc1971 January 18, 2015 4:11 PM GMT
one day`s annual leave but 4 days` annual leave.
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 4:13 PM GMT
^yep.
Report Ozymandius January 18, 2015 4:14 PM GMT
no apostrophe for me
Report Mikael D'Haguenet January 18, 2015 4:14 PM GMT
That contradict's your 15:55 post, lfc.
Report lfc1971 January 18, 2015 4:16 PM GMT
contradicts.. no apos.
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 4:17 PM GMT
It's a cracker.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet January 18, 2015 4:17 PM GMT
1.01 landed etc.
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 4:18 PM GMT
I'm sure that wasn't intentional even for M D'H.
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 4:19 PM GMT
Looks like it was.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet January 18, 2015 4:20 PM GMT
It was intentional. Was kinda hoping you'd be the one to jump on it, if I'm being honest!
Report lfc1971 January 18, 2015 4:20 PM GMT
Happy
Report Ozymandius January 18, 2015 4:21 PM GMT
what if you were to say ' four days of annual leave'..would the inclusion of 'of' make any difference to the apostrophe requirement?
Report Shanelee1966 January 18, 2015 4:21 PM GMT
This thread is near the top of google search.
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 4:23 PM GMT
M D'H gets the prize for time waster of the week.
Report Mc Moonbeam January 18, 2015 4:23 PM GMT
I did high level English & a lot of the time was taught you could either use it or leave it & both would be correct

admittedly i was usually more focused on the teachers sexy legs though instead Mischief
Report rob_dylan January 18, 2015 4:24 PM GMT
He had a good set of pins did he?
Report Mikael D'Haguenet January 18, 2015 4:24 PM GMT
I'm still in the no camp, although I'm wavering. Send a tw@t to the woman who wrote Eats, Shoots and Leaves - she has to know!
Report rob_dylan January 18, 2015 4:25 PM GMT
"admittedly i was usually more focused on the teachers' sexy legs though instead"

I've added the apostrophe.
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 4:25 PM GMT
Ozymandius
   
I'd say no apostrophe needed there.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet January 18, 2015 4:25 PM GMT
No to the use of an apostrophe, not MC's English teacher's legs.
Report rob_dylan January 18, 2015 4:25 PM GMT
Actually it should be:

"admittedly i was usually more focused on the teacher's sexy legs though instead"

I think.
Report Makybe_Diva January 18, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
Shouldn't that be teacher's?

I'm getting confused.
Report Ozymandius January 18, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
agreed, Dr Crippen, so perhaps if Rob were to include the 'of', that would be a safer way to go.
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 4:27 PM GMT
More than one teacher's legs rob?
Report lfc1971 January 18, 2015 4:27 PM GMT
yes only one teacher had sexy legs I guess
Report lfc1971 January 18, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
teacher`s for one
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
Sorry I was a bit late with that it had already been corrected.
Report Mc Moonbeam January 18, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
rob you can't even be arsed to use Capitals for your own name so stfu Laugh
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 4:30 PM GMT
Ozymandius

Yes, I think so.
Report lfc1971 January 18, 2015 4:30 PM GMT
small c for capitals.
Report lfc1971 January 18, 2015 4:32 PM GMT
capitals` ?
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2015 4:32 PM GMT
Proper names require starting with a capital letter.

I'm not so sure about usernames.
Report Mc Moonbeam January 18, 2015 4:33 PM GMT
she was a real tease , always wore heels , stockings , boots &  loved to show them off to us while virtually making love to the blackboard Cool
Report Makybe_Diva January 18, 2015 4:34 PM GMT
I would have thought user names, strictly speaking, should be started with capitals.
Report Makybe_Diva January 18, 2015 4:34 PM GMT
Moonbeam, I'm shocked! Shocked
Report mememe January 18, 2015 4:35 PM GMT
I thought I knew the answer (yes, apostrophe) but then I read the cook's annual leave/cooks' annual leave post (leave belonging to the cook/cooks) and the point that the leave doesn't belong to the day/days so I think no apostrophe (basic rule with apostrophes is the it replace "his" i.e. the boy, his car; becomes the boy's car... should I be using a semicolon there?

Anyway, head hurting now ....

Please, op, just take one day at a time off - no multidays.
Or just write 4 days of annual leave.
Report Makybe_Diva January 18, 2015 4:38 PM GMT
Couldn't you just ask for your annual leave Confused
Report Mc Moonbeam January 18, 2015 4:38 PM GMT
it is a full name though , maybe even his real one ?



Yes .. so was I ... Makybe Diva Cool
Report Mikael D'Haguenet January 18, 2015 4:43 PM GMT
In rob_dylan's defence, he DID use capitals when he called himself UTI. Unfortunately, everyone thought he was called U.T.I. rather than the intended oochi!
Report Mc Moonbeam January 18, 2015 4:50 PM GMT
How am I expected to remember all this stuff from school

I suppose you're all still fully equipped in Trigonometry too
Report rob_dylan January 18, 2015 4:50 PM GMT
Fk it, I'm not going on holiday this year, just getting the punctuation right in the email request is more than I can bear.
Report rob_dylan January 18, 2015 4:51 PM GMT
Well remembered mik.
Report Ovalman. January 18, 2015 5:21 PM GMT
How am I expected to remember all this stuff from school

I suppose you're all still fully equipped in Trigonometry too


I've done a couple of courses from https://www.coursera.org/courses

Trigonometry and English will be put on my todo list Excited

Wife will ask me later what I got up to today, I'll tell her I had a long winded discussion on apostrophe's

Only on Chit Chat....
Report Mc Moonbeam January 18, 2015 5:37 PM GMT
Don't do it Ovalman

Has to be the most pointless thing to ever waste months of good maths lessons on , could of been taught all about -Ev instead Wink

Hey I like the Gripsed stuff btw , good guy evan Cool
Report rob_dylan January 18, 2015 5:42 PM GMT
Are you sure you're not related to djsunset?
Report Mc Moonbeam January 18, 2015 5:44 PM GMT
No , what ever happened to him , specials markets have never seen a 1k bet since Scared
Report Ovalman. January 18, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
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Pokerstaples is also decent http://www.twitch.tv/pokerstaples but it's more interesting listening to their thought process and how it compares to yours. You can even learn from the bad players that stream as you can understand why they make poor decisions. My MTT game isn't great, I've never won anything decent on Stars so it's good for me, I'm finding it really good for learning.
Report Mc Moonbeam January 18, 2015 6:10 PM GMT
Good stuff
I'm too busy trying to stay afloat to learn anything worthwhile , you're lucky you've got the time to do what you want with it
Yep I know the basic Mtt strategy they'd teach somebody but you learn the most valuable things just by listening to good players chat freely like they do , it may just be one sentence they say during an entire session that hits on you !
Report Ovalman. January 18, 2015 6:17 PM GMT
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Report Platini January 18, 2015 6:27 PM GMT
I always get my its and it's mixed up Sad
Report PatraTheCat January 18, 2015 6:59 PM GMT
Bloody hell! Do some of you still not believe me?

Look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe#General_principles_for_the_possessive_apostrophe

Time, money, and similar

An apostrophe is used in time and money references, among others, in constructions such as one hour’s respite, two weeks’ holiday, a dollar’s worth, five pounds’ worth, one mile’s drive from here. This is like an ordinary possessive use. For example, one hour’s respite means a respite of one hour (exactly as the cat’s whiskers means the whiskers of the cat).
Report Charlie January 18, 2015 8:00 PM GMT
Mc Moonbeam
Please note there is no space before a comma.
Report Charlie January 18, 2015 8:20 PM GMT
Even though I was sure I was correct, Patra's reference and this:
http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/apostro.asp

Rule 7. Amounts of time or money are sometimes used as possessive adjectives that require apostrophes.

Incorrect: three days leave
Correct: three days' leave

Incorrect: my two cents worth
Correct: my two cents' worth

says I'm wrong. (should this be a capital s?).  But it says some times not always.

It's beyond me.'
Report Charlie January 18, 2015 8:22 PM GMT
Sometimes
Report naydam January 18, 2015 11:29 PM GMT
Looking at Patra's info from Wiki, I'm a bit surprised to see 'Time, money, and similar'. I would have thought that the comma was not required after the word 'money'. I thought that the last comma in a list was replaced by 'and'. Confused
Report brassneck January 18, 2015 11:41 PM GMT
I put my apostrophes in between my hyperbolies and my onamatapayasLaughLaughLaugh
Report screaming from beneaththewaves January 19, 2015 4:12 PM GMT
Naydam: Commas throughout a sequence in US English, no comma after the final item in British English.
Report naydam January 19, 2015 4:21 PM GMT
That's OK, then. I didn't realise it was written in Foreign. Happy
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