I think getting behind liberal secular, progressive ideas - trade union representation, women and gay rights, more liberal licensing laws, decriminalising of some drug groups, the freedom of the press, state support for the arts etc - together with an unapologetic stance on the great things the West have given the world (functioning legal systems, civil service, taxation and representation) is the way forward.
Be prepared to say our way of life is not only different, it is BETTER than the murderous Islamic fascism these savages want to foist on us.
I think getting behind liberal secular, progressive ideas - trade union representation, women and gay rights, more liberal licensing laws, decriminalising of some drug groups, the freedom of the press, state support for the arts etc - together with a
i dont get this 24 hr media and c list celebs banging on about free speech the uk are always dragging trolls through the courts for expressing far less intolerant views than these cartoonists, blaspheme the prophet but woh betide anyone slagging off the macaans, madleys etc i,m sure if people started doing cartoon posters of the pope shagging choirboys you wouldnt have time to mutter free speech before you were been dragged down to the cells, by the i dont have a religious bone in my body
i dont get this 24 hr media and c list celebs banging on about free speechthe uk are always dragging trolls through the courts for expressing far less intolerant views than these cartoonists, blaspheme the prophet but woh betide anyone slagging off t
1st time poster more lies....there have been hundreds of books and plays that criticise and disrespect christianity and Jesus. The christain community deserves respect for its tolerance. You are not fooling anybody with that guff.
1st time poster more lies....there have been hundreds of books and plays that criticise and disrespect christianity and Jesus. The christain community deserves respect for its tolerance. You are not fooling anybody with that guff.
ive told you i havnt a religious bone in my body , but its laughable to think that under the banner of free speech you can say and do what you want in the uk today , anything you can say is only because they havnt got around to banning it yet, try telling that couple who barred gays from their b and b
ive told you i havnt a religious bone in my body , but its laughable to think that under the banner of free speech you can say and do what you want in the uk today , anything you can say is only because they havnt got around to banning it yet, try te
what about that woman who topped herself because martin brunt and sky parked themselves on her doorstop because they didnt care for her views on the maccaans, thats right the brunt and sky out in paris now banging on about free speech
what about that woman who topped herself because martin brunt and sky parked themselves on her doorstop because they didnt care for her views on the maccaans,thats right the brunt and sky out in paris now banging on about free speech
It doesn't matter how many names you have, you'll never beat me in the placepot competition.
CUMULATIVE FLAT AND JUMPS SCORES 2014
1924.02 - Slippy Blue
It doesn't matter how many names you have, you'll never beat me in the placepot competition. CUMULATIVE FLAT AND JUMPS SCORES 2014 1924.02 - Slippy Blue
Maybe I should have titled this thread: "JE SUIS CHARLIE and general observations regarding the ChitChat supreme Placepot competition"
In that way the thread can express solidarity with the victims of an Islamist terrorist atrocity which threatens the very foundations of western civilisation and freedom of expression and also gives a nod to those who have tipped up a few nags to get in the frame over the course of the season.
Maybe I should have titled this thread: "JE SUIS CHARLIE and general observations regarding the ChitChat supreme Placepot competition" In that way the thread can express solidarity with the victims of an Islamist terrorist atrocity which threatens th
I don't think so The Leopard, I couldn't be bothered with the aggro and last year, although it was pretty good the returns were not that brilliant to be honest given the overall stakes. My placepottery efforts in the competition suits that format quite well but as for being a tipsterer it wouldn't be too sound an investment I wouldn't have thought in the long term. Stick to the big meetings like Cheltenham, Royal Ascot and Glorious Goodwood where the pools are huge and the favourites are over bet, there you will find the decent dividends.
I don't think so The Leopard, I couldn't be bothered with the aggro and last year, although it was pretty good the returns were not that brilliant to be honest given the overall stakes. My placepottery efforts in the competition suits that format qui
Dyab Abou Jahjah @Aboujahjah I am not Charlie, I am Ahmed the dead cop. Charlie ridiculed my faith and culture and I died defending his right to do so. #JesuisAhmed
Dyab Abou Jahjah@AboujahjahI am not Charlie, I am Ahmed the dead cop. Charlie ridiculed my faith and culture and I died defending his right to do so. #JesuisAhmed
I did my best to try to make a life for myself and my family in a secular country and got murdered in cold blood by so-called co-religionists who showed no mercy. RIP Ahmed.
#JesuisAhmedI did my best to try to make a life for myself and my family in a secular country and got murdered in cold blood by so-called co-religionists who showed no mercy. RIP Ahmed.
An offensive cartoon on Woman = Sexist An offensive cartoon on Blacks = Racist An offensive cartoon on Gays = Homophobic An offensive cartoon on Religon = Freedom of speech
An offensive cartoon on Woman = SexistAn offensive cartoon on Blacks = RacistAn offensive cartoon on Gays = Homophobic An offensive cartoon on Religon = Freedom of speech
Thebetterbettor, what makes something offensive and which higher authority determines whether something is offensive or not? An offence on occurs when someone chooses to be offended.
Your oversimplified and flawed analogy does not include the notion that merely depicting a woman in cartoon form is therefore offensive.
Thebetterbettor, what makes something offensive and which higher authority determines whether something is offensive or not? An offence on occurs when someone chooses to be offended. Your oversimplified and flawed analogy does not include the notio
It seems like the overall majority decides what's offensive or not......if you dont like mohammend as clown well tough but as long as you dont do any cartoons on "bongo bongo" land, it all okay with us.
It seems like the overall majority decides what's offensive or not......if you dont like mohammend as clown well tough but as long as you dont do any cartoons on "bongo bongo" land, it all okay with us.
and as it's a format of debate you seem to prefer, I'll let you complete this thebetterbettor:
An "offensive" cartoon on Christians = Freedom of speech An "offensive" cartoon on Jews = Freedom of speech An "offensive" cartoon on Hindus = Freedom of speech An "offensive" cartoon on Islam = _________________?
and as it's a format of debate you seem to prefer, I'll let you complete this thebetterbettor: An "offensive" cartoon on Christians = Freedom of speechAn "offensive" cartoon on Jews = Freedom of speechAn "offensive" cartoon on Hindus = Freedom of spe
Thebetterbettor - I see plenty of recent cartoons depicting moses and poking fun at their religion. Not headline news because nobody got murdered as a result. I should have put Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism instead of Jews Christians and Hindus.
A quick google and I found these ut I guess they are not considered "offensive" as it is a different set of rules for Islam?
Thebetterbettor - I see plenty of recent cartoons depicting moses and poking fun at their religion. Not headline news because nobody got murdered as a result. I should have put Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism instead of Jews Christians and Hindus.
I agree with 1st time poster - all this nonsense about free speech is doing my head in.
A volunteer with the Red Cross was sacked recently because he voiced an opinion opposing gay marriage.
Twitterers (mostly footballers) get fined and banned regularly for voicing an opinion.
Journos daren't give certain opinions in case their bosses send them to Outer Mongolia to cover Camel Racing.
I agree Paris was about the deaths but the debates since have focused on this mythical 'free speech'.
I agree with 1st time poster - all this nonsense about free speech is doing my head in.A volunteer with the Red Cross was sacked recently because he voiced an opinion opposing gay marriage.Twitterers (mostly footballers) get fined and banned regularl
An offensive cartoon on Woman = Sexist An offensive cartoon on Blacks = Racist An offensive cartoon on Gays = Homophobic An offensive cartoon on Religon = Freedom of speech
Women are actually real people, Blacks are actually real people, Gays are actually real people, Religion is actually just an opinion
There is no equivocation.
An offensive cartoon on Woman = SexistAn offensive cartoon on Blacks = RacistAn offensive cartoon on Gays = Homophobic An offensive cartoon on Religon = Freedom of speechWomen are actually real people,Blacks are actually real people,Gays are actually
Its just the usual flavour of the month protests....where it will all be soon forgotten about and relegated down the list of emails, tweets and posts for the next 'newsworthy' item in your inbox.
Je suis Charlie!What happend to 'bring our girls back'?Its just the usual flavour of the month protests....where it will all be soon forgotten about and relegated down the list of emails, tweets and posts for the next 'newsworthy' item in your inbox.
I've replied earlier in the thread, but a little ambiguously, so I'd like to emphasise that JE SUIS CHARLIE.
As I understand it, that identifies me as a supporter of free speech and someone who refuses to back down in the face of revolting Muslim extremism. No more, no less.
I've replied earlier in the thread, but a little ambiguously, so I'd like to emphasise that JE SUIS CHARLIE.As I understand it, that identifies me as a supporter of free speech and someone who refuses to back down in the face of revolting Muslim extr
"Kay Burley" Is am Islamic sympathiser ...a reporting coward - I wonder how she'd feel if the sewd up her lady parts, put her in a Burqa, give her a good hard sh gging up the tradesmans entrance then auctioned her to the Islamic per verts ?
"Kay Burley"Is am Islamic sympathiser ...a reporting coward - I wonder how she'd feel if the sewd up her lady parts, put her in a Burqa, give her a good hard sh gging up the tradesmans entrance then auctioned her to the Islamic per verts ?