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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2014/dec/09/cia-torture-report-released-senate
The CIA’s post-9/11 embrace of torture was brutal and ineffective – and the agency repeatedly lied about its usefulness, a milestone report by the Senate intelligence committee released on Tuesday concludes.
After examining 20 case studies, the report found that torture “regularly resulted in fabricated information,” said committee chairwoman Dianne Feinstein, in a statement summarizing the findings.
“During the brutal interrogations the CIA was often unaware the information was fabricated.”
The torture that the CIA carried out was even more extreme than what it portrayed to congressional overseers and the George W Bush administration, the committee found. It went beyond techniques already made public through a decade of leaks and lawsuits, which had revealed that agency interrogators subjected detainees to quasi-drowning, staged mock executions, and revved power drills near their heads.
The committee’s findings, which the CIA largely rejects, are the result of a four-year, $40m investigation that plunged relations between the spy agency and the Senate committee charged with overseeing it to a historic low.
The investigation that led to the report, and the question of how much of the document would be released and when, has pitted chairwoman Feinstein and her committee allies against the CIA and its White House backers. For 10 months, with the blessing of President Barack Obama, the agency has fought to conceal vast amounts of the report from the public, with an entreaty to Feinstein from secretary of state John Kerry occurring as recently as Friday.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2014/dec/09/cia-torture-report-released-senate
The CIA’s post-9/11 embrace of torture was brutal and ineffective – and the agency repeatedly lied about its usefulness, a milestone report by the Senate intelligence committee released on Tuesday concludes.
After examining 20 case studies, the report found that torture “regularly resulted in fabricated information,” said committee chairwoman Dianne Feinstein, in a statement summarizing the findings.
“During the brutal interrogations the CIA was often unaware the information was fabricated.”
The torture that the CIA carried out was even more extreme than what it portrayed to congressional overseers and the George W Bush administration, the committee found. It went beyond techniques already made public through a decade of leaks and lawsuits, which had revealed that agency interrogators subjected detainees to quasi-drowning, staged mock executions, and revved power drills near their heads.
The committee’s findings, which the CIA largely rejects, are the result of a four-year, $40m investigation that plunged relations between the spy agency and the Senate committee charged with overseeing it to a historic low.
The investigation that led to the report, and the question of how much of the document would be released and when, has pitted chairwoman Feinstein and her committee allies against the CIA and its White House backers. For 10 months, with the blessing of President Barack Obama, the agency has fought to conceal vast amounts of the report from the public, with an entreaty to Feinstein from secretary of state John Kerry occurring as recently as Friday.
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Feinstein is describing 20 claims the CIA made for the value of intelligence gleaned through torture. None of these claims held up under examination. “The CIA’s claims that the EITs were necessary ... that’s a claim we conclude is inaccurate,” she says:
We took 20 examples that the CIA itself claimed to show the success of these interrogations. The CIA used these examples in presentations to the White House, testimony to Congress and... ultimately to the American people.
“Our staff reviewed every one of the 20 cases and not a single case holds up,” Feinstein says.
The study doesn’t claim no intelligence was gained, but that “actionable intelligence that was otherwise unavailable” was not obtained, she says.
We took 20 examples that the CIA itself claimed to show the success of these interrogations. The CIA used these examples in presentations to the White House, testimony to Congress and... ultimately to the American people.
“Our staff reviewed every one of the 20 cases and not a single case holds up,” Feinstein says.
The study doesn’t claim no intelligence was gained, but that “actionable intelligence that was otherwise unavailable” was not obtained, she says.
Americans have the nerve to criticise the Chinese over their human rights record, they are such hypocrites. America has got to have the worst human rights record of any country in the world
Tibet is thriving since the Chinese took over
America is supposed to be a civilized country that should not stoop to these levels, but they will do anything for their own good
America is supposed to be a civilized country that should not stoop to these levels, but they will do anything for their own good
Wiki :
During the Great Leap Forward between 200,000 and 1,000,000 Tibetans died,[57] and approximately 6,000 monasteries were destroyed during the Cultural Revolution.
During the Great Leap Forward between 200,000 and 1,000,000 Tibetans died,[57] and approximately 6,000 monasteries were destroyed during the Cultural Revolution.
the thing with the land of opportunity compared to the likes of china is that its all opaque irregularities, like a totalitarian state telling you how open they are while spying, torturing and allowing massive private state fraud
the reality is this 'western design' to coin cromwell's rhetoric is so shot with holes how can they preach to anyone as though its the ideal?
So now we have the torture when they said they didnt and a CIA acting apart from senate/congress.
Its just one thing after another and empowers the likes of the conpiracist to believe in false flag activities to give them reason to act as though the rest of the world is simply there for their use.
Much like how the states dont sign into stuff like climate change while expecting others to regarding nuclear agreements etc.
Simple protectionism
So now we have the torture when they said they didnt and a CIA acting apart from senate/congress.
Its just one thing after another and empowers the likes of the conpiracist to believe in false flag activities to give them reason to act as though the rest of the world is simply there for their use.
Much like how the states dont sign into stuff like climate change while expecting others to regarding nuclear agreements etc.
Simple protectionism
Democracies are the best systems.
When they falter they can be repared.
The CIA committed crimes and the perpatrators may yet be punished.
When they falter they can be repared.
The CIA committed crimes and the perpatrators may yet be punished.
I wouldnt hold your breath waiting to see accountability, unless it goes to the extreme and somebody is served up to placate.
The people get given 'feel good' ethereal notions like representation but its not democracy, how can it be when institutions act among themselves?
The people get given 'feel good' ethereal notions like representation but its not democracy, how can it be when institutions act among themselves?
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/torture-cia-amnesty-international-human-rights-watch?commentpage=1
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The UN, human rights activists and legal experts have renewed calls for the Obama administration to prosecute US officials responsible for the CIA torture programme revealed in extensive detail following the release of a damning report by the Senate intelligence committee.
The report, released on Tuesday, found the CIA misled the White House, the Justice Department, Congress and the public over a torture programme that was both ineffective and more brutal than the agency disclosed.
“Today’s release once again makes crystal clear that the US government used torture. Torture is a crime and those responsible for crimes must be brought to justice,” Amnesty International USA’s executive director, Steven W Hawkins, said in a statement.
“Under the UN convention against torture, no exceptional circumstances whatsoever can be invoked to justify torture, and all those responsible for authorising or carrying out torture or other ill-treatment must be fully investigated.”
In Geneva, the United Nations’s special rapporteur on human rights and counter-terrorism, Ben Emmerson, said CIA officers and other US government officials should be prosecuted.
“The fact that the policies revealed in this report were authorised at a high level within the US government provides no excuse whatsoever,” Emmerson said in a statement.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/torture-cia-amnesty-international-human-rights-watch?commentpage=1
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The UN, human rights activists and legal experts have renewed calls for the Obama administration to prosecute US officials responsible for the CIA torture programme revealed in extensive detail following the release of a damning report by the Senate intelligence committee.
The report, released on Tuesday, found the CIA misled the White House, the Justice Department, Congress and the public over a torture programme that was both ineffective and more brutal than the agency disclosed.
“Today’s release once again makes crystal clear that the US government used torture. Torture is a crime and those responsible for crimes must be brought to justice,” Amnesty International USA’s executive director, Steven W Hawkins, said in a statement.
“Under the UN convention against torture, no exceptional circumstances whatsoever can be invoked to justify torture, and all those responsible for authorising or carrying out torture or other ill-treatment must be fully investigated.”
In Geneva, the United Nations’s special rapporteur on human rights and counter-terrorism, Ben Emmerson, said CIA officers and other US government officials should be prosecuted.
“The fact that the policies revealed in this report were authorised at a high level within the US government provides no excuse whatsoever,” Emmerson said in a statement.
Democrats due to get weaker and weaker and might try to pull something off in an attempt to destabilise the republicans, but if they did then clinton's regime would get dragged in and then why stop there?
The "torture" that the CIA uses wouldnt have impressed Henry the 8th much.
I think the Catholic Spanish Inquisition tortured thousands more people.
Im reading a book on the Inquisition atm called 'God's Jury'
plays on the similarities between old and new world.
never knew that de montford cut out everyman's tongue and gouged out their eyes except one man who he left with just one eye to lead them back into the castle which he was besieging
plays on the similarities between old and new world.
never knew that de montford cut out everyman's tongue and gouged out their eyes except one man who he left with just one eye to lead them back into the castle which he was besieging
Wiki:
Death tolls
Contemporary illustration of the auto-da-fé of Valladolid, in which fourteen Protestants were burned at the stake for their faith, on May 21, 1559
García Cárcel estimates that the total number processed by the Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000; applying the percentages of executions that appeared in the trials of 1560–1700—about 2%—the approximate total would be about 3,000 put to death. Nevertheless, it is likely that the toll was much higher, keeping in mind the data provided by Dedieu and García Cárcel for the tribunals of Toledo and Valencia, respectively. It is likely that between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed.[92]
Death tolls
Contemporary illustration of the auto-da-fé of Valladolid, in which fourteen Protestants were burned at the stake for their faith, on May 21, 1559
García Cárcel estimates that the total number processed by the Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000; applying the percentages of executions that appeared in the trials of 1560–1700—about 2%—the approximate total would be about 3,000 put to death. Nevertheless, it is likely that the toll was much higher, keeping in mind the data provided by Dedieu and García Cárcel for the tribunals of Toledo and Valencia, respectively. It is likely that between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed.[92]
there were 3 Inquisitions apparently dating back to around the first crusade from recollection.
I havnt picked the book up for a while as others have got in the way.
I havnt picked the book up for a while as others have got in the way.
Interesting that China are mentioned, I speak often to a fella who was a pow for 2 years during Korean war and he said the only reason he survived was that the camp was run by the Chinese . He has always held a great respect for them .
Chinese better than North Koreans...not that difficult
Yes Leopard the north koreans would have shot him . The Chinese followed the convention, I thought any aid sent for the pow's would not be received so was surprised when he told me they did get parcels, including cigs, which the guards were mad for so the pows would trade them . He is a very interesting character and after listening to his stories i read more on the 'dirty war'. He said one of the main fears ( i thought disease) was the traps on the jungle paths of sharpened burnt bamboo, these would go through the sole of their boots, very painful and koreans knew it would take 2 more men to carry an injured man .
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