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09 Dec 14
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Can't be that difficult !
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30390005
The finding was revealed by Manpower, whose research is said to have confirmed industry fears of a lack of suitably-trained workers.
Manpower managing director Mark Cahill said he was told the normal £500-a-week pay for bricklayers was being doubled.
The government says it is working with firms to "nurture home-grown talent".
According to Manpower's research, prospects in the construction industry are at their strongest level since 2007.
But one-in three large construction firms in London are said to have decided not to bid for projects because of a lack of skilled workers.
James Hick, a spokesman for ManpowerGroup, said while there were no figures available for the numbers of companies that have had to hire workers from Portugal, the report showed there were clearly "very wide issues in terms of available skills for the construction sector as whole".
"The profession has not been that attractive for new entrants during the downturn, which is combined by an aging workforce and lots of people leaving the sector," he said.
'Young lads'
Charles Balson from Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, is a bricklayer who says £1,000 per week can be the going rate for experienced bricklayers.
"It's a fair wage because it's a skilled trade. It takes years of experience to earn that kind of money," he told the BBC.
"But it's terrible that people from overseas are being paid that sort of money. Companies should be pumping some of that into teaching young lads in this country."
However, he said all the foreign workers he knew were labourers rather than skilled bricklayers.
Foreman Neil Gregory, from Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, said a cut in bricklayers' pay during the recession was a significant reason why there was now a shortage in the industry.
"At the start of the recession bricklayers' money was slashed by over £40 per day.
"If you add that to the amount of non-paid days through the winter then, you are no better off than people working in Tesco or Asda.
"The backlash of that is a lot of good bricklayers bailed out and changed jobs."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30390005
The finding was revealed by Manpower, whose research is said to have confirmed industry fears of a lack of suitably-trained workers.
Manpower managing director Mark Cahill said he was told the normal £500-a-week pay for bricklayers was being doubled.
The government says it is working with firms to "nurture home-grown talent".
According to Manpower's research, prospects in the construction industry are at their strongest level since 2007.
But one-in three large construction firms in London are said to have decided not to bid for projects because of a lack of skilled workers.
James Hick, a spokesman for ManpowerGroup, said while there were no figures available for the numbers of companies that have had to hire workers from Portugal, the report showed there were clearly "very wide issues in terms of available skills for the construction sector as whole".
"The profession has not been that attractive for new entrants during the downturn, which is combined by an aging workforce and lots of people leaving the sector," he said.
'Young lads'
Charles Balson from Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, is a bricklayer who says £1,000 per week can be the going rate for experienced bricklayers.
"It's a fair wage because it's a skilled trade. It takes years of experience to earn that kind of money," he told the BBC.
"But it's terrible that people from overseas are being paid that sort of money. Companies should be pumping some of that into teaching young lads in this country."
However, he said all the foreign workers he knew were labourers rather than skilled bricklayers.
Foreman Neil Gregory, from Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, said a cut in bricklayers' pay during the recession was a significant reason why there was now a shortage in the industry.
"At the start of the recession bricklayers' money was slashed by over £40 per day.
"If you add that to the amount of non-paid days through the winter then, you are no better off than people working in Tesco or Asda.
"The backlash of that is a lot of good bricklayers bailed out and changed jobs."
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You cannot get a job at Tesco's- long waiting lists- except for Chief Executive of course, and no one wants THAT job!
4 year apprenticeship- no wonder no one wants the CEO job at Tesco!
I bet you could learn everything in 1 month of concentrated training.
On apprenticeships you may learn a new skill once a day
On apprenticeships you may learn a new skill once a day
All here :
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http://www.pavingexpert.com/featur09.htm
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http://www.pavingexpert.com/featur09.htm
maybe you could learn it faster but i dont think you could do the job as well to lift as many bricks you wouldnt have builders bum either yet
theres a lot mortar to this story , no brickie gets a grand a week i know
mind you i think people just walk about in riggers to look busy now , you see people firing about the streets just pointing at gutters and sh1t with them on , big job this lads 3 man job maybe, call the boys in , ffs its only a broken gutter
on corries it took 3 builders and a window cleaner to carry couch the other day
on eastenders it took 2 men to carry a flat screen tv up the pub stairs also , i seen old wifeys with walking sticks carrying them alone on black friday
wheres the story cant remember the krauts complaing 30 yrs ago when ozz and nev pitched up,
this is bigby bones for you been telling people for years we dont jobs with sparks and smoke, and laying bricks in the cold for a living,i,m welder and have been told for 35 years they wont need you next year,name your price almost these days,this brickie story on the day cameron introduced coding computers to 5 yr olds apparently they are all going to leave school and make video games for a living,dave forgot to ask them where they going to live ,
this is bigby bones for you been telling people for years we dont jobs with sparks and smoke, and laying bricks in the cold for a living,i,m welder and have been told for 35 years they wont need you next year,name your price almost these days,this brickie story on the day cameron introduced coding computers to 5 yr olds apparently they are all going to leave school and make video games for a living,dave forgot to ask them where they going to live ,
sounds like a lot of brickies over here have thrown the trowel in.
They will be programming the robots who are going to be doing everything.
Decent brickies were earning a grand a week cash in hand 30 years ago.
for realism will they also be programmed to say "phwoar look at the t1ts on that" ?
some of them robots must be ceased up by now ,theyve been taking over for 60 yrs
Do you mean a grand in today's money or a grand then.
They were doing well in the 80s during the construction boom but £1000 in 1985 would be worth over £2000 today
They were doing well in the 80s during the construction boom but £1000 in 1985 would be worth over £2000 today
Doubling it every ten years is a rough estimate.
So £1k would be worth £4k.
So £1k would be worth £4k.
The rate of inflation isn't constant.
I think you'll find that £1k in 1985, adjusted for inflation, is worth about £2,100 today.
I think you'll find that £1k in 1985, adjusted for inflation, is worth about £2,100 today.
Dec 9, 2014 -- 6:04PM, SlippyBlue wrote:
Decent brickies were earning a grand a week cash in hand 30 years ago.
It's so easy to get cementimental about past times but the current climate is different
the country can't produce enough nurses, doctors and brickies, but we must surely have a healthy quota of media studies operatives.
lots of people doing apprenticeship in professional outrage and city and guilds in immigrant hatred
if your coming in from outside London how much would want for living costs for a week for short term work?
its this that is spun into immigrant story, by the media and mugs lap it up
its this that is spun into immigrant story, by the media and mugs lap it up
iawn, I mean back then in the mid 80's. My Dad was a property developer and I was the buyer and did payroll for his company. A grand a week was the norm not the exception for quality brickies in those boom times and you were grateful if they turned up for work such were they in high demand.
brickies wernt on 10 knicker an hr 30 yrs ago fact,and why do yiu think ozz and co were in germany 30 yrs ago no work in blighty, some rose coloured glasses me thinks
I did payroll 1st time poster, I know what I was paying out.
I know 3 people in their early twenties with 'business' degrees.
One is a barman, one is in a call centre and the third is a
management trainee with Asda
One is a barman, one is in a call centre and the third is a
management trainee with Asda
Brits cant make a Sandwich, lay bricks, do Plumbing, grow our own veg, FFS
Whats going on this country?,
10% of military person end up in Nick after being "De-Mobbed".
Whats going on this country?,
10% of military person end up in Nick after being "De-Mobbed".
I wonder if part of the problem is council's buying things without any idea of what the value is/how long it takes. Some of the work they've had done round here...well, let's just say there's seemed to be a lack of urgency amongst those doing it. The privately owned shopping centre though, has its extension rocketing up.
i was a bricklayer , £1,000 a week was easy , especially when doing foundations. this was about 6 years ago, then recession hit, paid off and dont miss it.
**** job in **** weather.
**** job in **** weather.
Hearts in my Summer holidays from school I was the labourer for 2 brickies when Dad was building new houses, got me fit for the rugby season and earned a few quid to boot. It was hard work but it paid for my weekend, getting a wage as a kid when you have sweated for it made it all the sweeter as opposed to be just given it.
BBC at its best on the television news pages this morning.
'Paying £1,000 a week for bricklayers when the normal wage is £500 a week.'
On page 2 of the same article 'Paying several times the normal going rate for bricklayers'
'Paying £1,000 a week for bricklayers when the normal wage is £500 a week.'
On page 2 of the same article 'Paying several times the normal going rate for bricklayers'
I'm a brickie and we're earning that nearly every week.
Learn it in a week? Wash your mouth out Leopard!!
People didn't give a sh1t about us 5 years ago when we were struggling for work and prices were worse than awful, now everyone thinks we're overpaid.
We've just built 4 houses and got paid £13,000 for them, does that sound like great money to someone who doesn't/can't lay a brick? We work our bowlarks off, I can assure you!!!!
Learn it in a week? Wash your mouth out Leopard!!
People didn't give a sh1t about us 5 years ago when we were struggling for work and prices were worse than awful, now everyone thinks we're overpaid.
We've just built 4 houses and got paid £13,000 for them, does that sound like great money to someone who doesn't/can't lay a brick? We work our bowlarks off, I can assure you!!!!
kenbo and 2 mates built 4 houses in under a month , good stuff
might get you i to build me a few , how much is the materials for a one up one down
might get you i to build me a few , how much is the materials for a one up one down
If you're building houses for yourself, the best way to work out costs are that every third house you build, that'd be you profit (very roughly).
We're on site mate, that was the price we were given to build it, no materials in that. They're only two bed terrace houses that we're building.
how much is a brick anyway
need land too obviously , but the people must make a killing on houses if they have the land
need land too obviously , but the people must make a killing on houses if they have the land
You can buy a brick at B&Q for 54p, you can also pay well over £1 for one too. Brickyards have ran out of bricks in many areas with some sites waiting three months for them.
Unfortunately you need a decent kitty to start building for yourself, which I don't have! Yet!!
Unfortunately you need a decent kitty to start building for yourself, which I don't have! Yet!!
s.kenbo, how much is 1000 yellow stocks these days?
Ive been in construction for over 30 years and as Kenbo says, the building trade is very cyclical.
I remember in the mid/late 80s, brickies boasting they wouldnt get out of bed for under £100 per day. 2/3 years later they were begging me for work for £30 per day.
Loads gave up in the last recession, so as building is booming again rates have inevitably gone up, but i would be suprised if any are on a grand a week, unless its piecework.
And if a long freeze happens in the winter they can sit at home for weeks, so a good week has to be balanced out.
And as he says, you cant build without bricks and there is a huge shortage at the moment.
I remember in the mid/late 80s, brickies boasting they wouldnt get out of bed for under £100 per day. 2/3 years later they were begging me for work for £30 per day.
Loads gave up in the last recession, so as building is booming again rates have inevitably gone up, but i would be suprised if any are on a grand a week, unless its piecework.
And if a long freeze happens in the winter they can sit at home for weeks, so a good week has to be balanced out.
And as he says, you cant build without bricks and there is a huge shortage at the moment.
We used them on a basement Slips in Chelsea, I'm pretty sure the bloke I did the job for said they were about £2 each, we also had to use lime to build it (not just adding lime to sand I might add) and I think that was over £100 a Ton. It's expensive down your end!
There's about 15,000 bricks give or take on the ones we're on now.
MMM is spot on. When it's good it's good, when it's bad it's bad. I've probably earned no more than minimum wage over the last eight years if you take everything into account.
There's about 15,000 bricks give or take on the ones we're on now.
MMM is spot on. When it's good it's good, when it's bad it's bad. I've probably earned no more than minimum wage over the last eight years if you take everything into account.
cant see how people moan about brickies pay is too high , like its them paying it or something , if your working for private companies etc you can negotiate whatever price you like.
2 quid each
Blimey, I used to pay between £300 - £320 per 1000 late 80's.
Blimey, I used to pay between £300 - £320 per 1000 late 80's.
Bricks are probably one of the few items that cant be imported, hence the shortage and price hikes.
I'd guess that was quite alot back then though. There's no chance the firm we're subbing to are paying anywhere near that kind of money today.
Back in 1989 I got a phone call for a full mornings driving and labouring work. I told him I'd drive only.
Labourers hand loaded a lorry full of 2nd hand yellow stocks on pallets, to be taken out of Blackwall Basin building site in E.14 to a brick yard in Bow Common Lane E.3.
Lorry was loaded when I got there, and fork lift took them off at the other end.
Took me 45 minutes, for £70.
Labourers hand loaded a lorry full of 2nd hand yellow stocks on pallets, to be taken out of Blackwall Basin building site in E.14 to a brick yard in Bow Common Lane E.3.
Lorry was loaded when I got there, and fork lift took them off at the other end.
Took me 45 minutes, for £70.
It's all a bit of a nonsense really.
Most people wouldn't realize that most workers in construction get no sick pay, no holiday entitlement, no pension, have to buy all their own tools and, uniquely, are the only self-employed workers to pay tax in advance.
Most people wouldn't realize that most workers in construction get no sick pay, no holiday entitlement, no pension, have to buy all their own tools and, uniquely, are the only self-employed workers to pay tax in advance.
imagine most of the work would be london/s east,if they have to pay for accommodation etc would practically half their wages.
throw in a few months bad weather and the grand a week does not look that clever.
throw in a few months bad weather and the grand a week does not look that clever.
10 smelly brickies to a caravan..that would be fun.
Also they don't have long careers, it's physical outdoors work in all weathers and most brickies are pretty fcuked by the age of sixty five. I certainly don't begrudge those that are making a grand a week at the moment.
I agree with those comments.
It's very rare though that we get long spells of bad weather, the last time I lost more than a week was this time 4 years ago due to snow. We love a rainy day because we get an unexpected day off.
It's very rare though that we get long spells of bad weather, the last time I lost more than a week was this time 4 years ago due to snow. We love a rainy day because we get an unexpected day off.
Loads of people (esp recent immigrants) are more than happy working 70-80hr weeks.
Drives me mad when people whinge about struggling to pay bills when they work 35hrs a week
Drives me mad when people whinge about struggling to pay bills when they work 35hrs a week
Lots of Firms only take people on for 35 hours a week or less, they Don't pay any holiday money and tell you to Claim what Extra`s you can off the Gov
so, in summary, media immigrant story shot to bits when someone who actually does bricklaying turns up
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Back in 1989 I got a phone call for a full mornings driving and labouring work. I told him I'd drive only.
Labourers hand loaded a lorry full of 2nd hand yellow stocks on pallets, to be taken out of Blackwall Basin building site in E.14 to a brick yard in Bow Common Lane E.3.
Lorry was loaded when I got there, and fork lift took them off at the other end.
Took me 45 minutes, for £70.
what yo buy with the £75
Sounds like a mugs game so give it to immigrants. Prove that immigration works right before our eyes here.
bloody immigrants, coming over here to work for peanuts, driving wages down...
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