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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30390005
The finding was revealed by Manpower, whose research is said to have confirmed industry fears of a lack of suitably-trained workers.
Manpower managing director Mark Cahill said he was told the normal £500-a-week pay for bricklayers was being doubled.
The government says it is working with firms to "nurture home-grown talent".
According to Manpower's research, prospects in the construction industry are at their strongest level since 2007.
But one-in three large construction firms in London are said to have decided not to bid for projects because of a lack of skilled workers.
James Hick, a spokesman for ManpowerGroup, said while there were no figures available for the numbers of companies that have had to hire workers from Portugal, the report showed there were clearly "very wide issues in terms of available skills for the construction sector as whole".
"The profession has not been that attractive for new entrants during the downturn, which is combined by an aging workforce and lots of people leaving the sector," he said.
'Young lads'
Charles Balson from Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, is a bricklayer who says £1,000 per week can be the going rate for experienced bricklayers.
"It's a fair wage because it's a skilled trade. It takes years of experience to earn that kind of money," he told the BBC.
"But it's terrible that people from overseas are being paid that sort of money. Companies should be pumping some of that into teaching young lads in this country."
However, he said all the foreign workers he knew were labourers rather than skilled bricklayers.
Foreman Neil Gregory, from Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, said a cut in bricklayers' pay during the recession was a significant reason why there was now a shortage in the industry.
"At the start of the recession bricklayers' money was slashed by over £40 per day.
"If you add that to the amount of non-paid days through the winter then, you are no better off than people working in Tesco or Asda.
"The backlash of that is a lot of good bricklayers bailed out and changed jobs."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30390005
The finding was revealed by Manpower, whose research is said to have confirmed industry fears of a lack of suitably-trained workers.
Manpower managing director Mark Cahill said he was told the normal £500-a-week pay for bricklayers was being doubled.
The government says it is working with firms to "nurture home-grown talent".
According to Manpower's research, prospects in the construction industry are at their strongest level since 2007.
But one-in three large construction firms in London are said to have decided not to bid for projects because of a lack of skilled workers.
James Hick, a spokesman for ManpowerGroup, said while there were no figures available for the numbers of companies that have had to hire workers from Portugal, the report showed there were clearly "very wide issues in terms of available skills for the construction sector as whole".
"The profession has not been that attractive for new entrants during the downturn, which is combined by an aging workforce and lots of people leaving the sector," he said.
'Young lads'
Charles Balson from Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, is a bricklayer who says £1,000 per week can be the going rate for experienced bricklayers.
"It's a fair wage because it's a skilled trade. It takes years of experience to earn that kind of money," he told the BBC.
"But it's terrible that people from overseas are being paid that sort of money. Companies should be pumping some of that into teaching young lads in this country."
However, he said all the foreign workers he knew were labourers rather than skilled bricklayers.
Foreman Neil Gregory, from Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, said a cut in bricklayers' pay during the recession was a significant reason why there was now a shortage in the industry.
"At the start of the recession bricklayers' money was slashed by over £40 per day.
"If you add that to the amount of non-paid days through the winter then, you are no better off than people working in Tesco or Asda.
"The backlash of that is a lot of good bricklayers bailed out and changed jobs."
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You cannot get a job at Tesco's- long waiting lists- except for Chief Executive of course, and no one wants THAT job!
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It's a four-year apprenticeship
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4 year apprenticeship- no wonder no one wants the CEO job at Tesco!
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I bet you could learn everything in 1 month of concentrated training.
On apprenticeships you may learn a new skill once a day |
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Maybe 1 week even.
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^ to learn it all
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All here :
. http://www.pavingexpert.com/featur09.htm |
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maybe you could learn it faster but i dont think you could do the job as well to lift as many bricks you wouldnt have builders bum either yet
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I'm sure there mortar this story than it seems.
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theres a lot mortar to this story , no brickie gets a grand a week i know
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mind you i think people just walk about in riggers to look busy now , you see people firing about the streets just pointing at gutters and sh1t with them on , big job this lads 3 man job maybe, call the boys in , ffs its only a broken gutter
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on corries it took 3 builders and a window cleaner to carry couch the other day
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They have actor muscles.
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on eastenders it took 2 men to carry a flat screen tv up the pub stairs also , i seen old wifeys with walking sticks carrying them alone on black friday
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wheres the story cant remember the krauts complaing 30 yrs ago when ozz and nev pitched up,
this is bigby bones for you been telling people for years we dont jobs with sparks and smoke, and laying bricks in the cold for a living,i,m welder and have been told for 35 years they wont need you next year,name your price almost these days,this brickie story on the day cameron introduced coding computers to 5 yr olds apparently they are all going to leave school and make video games for a living,dave forgot to ask them where they going to live ,  |
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sounds like a lot of brickies over here have thrown the trowel in.
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They will be programming the robots who are going to be doing everything.
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^ The 5 year old coders.
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Decent brickies were earning a grand a week cash in hand 30 years ago.
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for realism will they also be programmed to say "phwoar look at the t1ts on that" ?
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some of them robots must be ceased up by now ,theyve been taking over for 60 yrs
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Do you mean a grand in today's money or a grand then.
They were doing well in the 80s during the construction boom but £1000 in 1985 would be worth over £2000 today |
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Doubling it every ten years is a rough estimate.
So £1k would be worth £4k. |
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The rate of inflation isn't constant.
I think you'll find that £1k in 1985, adjusted for inflation, is worth about £2,100 today. |
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There is mortar spend money on these days.
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the country can't produce enough nurses, doctors and brickies, but we must surely have a healthy quota of media studies operatives.
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lots of people doing apprenticeship in professional outrage and city and guilds in immigrant hatred
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if your coming in from outside London how much would want for living costs for a week for short term work?
its this that is spun into immigrant story, by the media and mugs lap it up |
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iawn, I mean back then in the mid 80's. My Dad was a property developer and I was the buyer and did payroll for his company. A grand a week was the norm not the exception for quality brickies in those boom times and you were grateful if they turned up for work such were they in high demand.
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brickies wernt on 10 knicker an hr 30 yrs ago fact,and why do yiu think ozz and co were in germany 30 yrs ago no work in blighty, some rose coloured glasses me thinks
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I did payroll 1st time poster, I know what I was paying out.
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I know 3 people in their early twenties with 'business' degrees.
One is a barman, one is in a call centre and the third is a management trainee with Asda |
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Brits cant make a Sandwich, lay bricks, do Plumbing, grow our own veg, FFS
Whats going on this country?, 10% of military person end up in Nick after being "De-Mobbed". |
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I wonder if part of the problem is council's buying things without any idea of what the value is/how long it takes. Some of the work they've had done round here...well, let's just say there's seemed to be a lack of urgency amongst those doing it. The privately owned shopping centre though, has its extension rocketing up.
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i was a bricklayer , £1,000 a week was easy , especially when doing foundations. this was about 6 years ago, then recession hit, paid off and dont miss it.
**** job in **** weather. |
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Hearts in my Summer holidays from school I was the labourer for 2 brickies when Dad was building new houses, got me fit for the rugby season and earned a few quid to boot. It was hard work but it paid for my weekend, getting a wage as a kid when you have sweated for it made it all the sweeter as opposed to be just given it.
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BBC at its best on the television news pages this morning.
'Paying £1,000 a week for bricklayers when the normal wage is £500 a week.' On page 2 of the same article 'Paying several times the normal going rate for bricklayers' |