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By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 07 Dec 14 20:59
'The left' haven't actually called YOU a racist for being appalled about anything, have they?
Go on, be honest.


I'm always honest studyform. Yes they have.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 07 Dec 14 21:02
I cannot, rob, believe that anyone isn't appalled by this crime; leftie, pinko or pansy.
I cannot believe that anyone is being called a racist for being appalled by this crime, as was and apparently still is, being claimed by EO.

And of course the left will accuse us of being racist because we are appalled at this grotesque crime.
Is a stupid, argumentative and wrong statement to make.

This is all I'm really on here to point out.
But..... It is impossible to get eeternaloptimist to EVER admit being wrong.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 07 Dec 14 21:05
Left and right could unite in their battle against the common enemy.... THe pinkos.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 07 Dec 14 21:06
Yeah. Splitters.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 07 Dec 14 21:10
I often admit when I'm wrong Studyform. Given your obsession with this post you clearly think there is some traction to be gained from it. I assure you there isn't. My previous history of posting and discussing things with people on the left has ranged from civil, courteous and illuminating to inflamed, illogical and sometimes libellous. I made a prediction based on those previous dealings. I wouldn't expect to be denounced in those terms by learned people even if they disagree but unfortunately there are plenty of mud slinging toe rags on the left who seek to abuse people if they criticise a black person. It's as simple as that. I criticise black and white where I think it is deserved. Their colour isn't relevant. What they say or do is.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 07 Dec 14 21:19
And of course the left will accuse us of being racist because we are appalled at this grotesque crime.
Is wrong, you were wrong to post it, and its unquestionable meaning is wrong.

Because - NO-ONE will accuse you of being racist for being appalled at this grotesque crime and they haven't done, have they?
ergo; you're wrong.

your previous history has bog all to do with it. I once wrote some graffiti on a toilet wall but I don't keep referring back to it.

You wrote (said) And of course the left will accuse us of being racist because we are appalled at this grotesque crime.
about this topic, on this thread and you are/were wrong weren't you?

Weren't you.

Your desire to be a keyboard politician (it's a really crap ambition) is making you not answer the question.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 07 Dec 14 21:28
Studyform

As I alluded to previously there are the decent left wingers and then those like you who I rip up into shiit paper. I ripped you up into shiit paper a few days ago dragging from you an assertion that you were far too busy to debate with me and that you would refraining from doing so in the future. Now you wrongly sniff you are in with a chance of salvaging your tattered honour you keep posting up my earlier comment whilst alla round su there are so many more interestin thigns we can be discussing. The point is I never shirk anything. Ever. And so:

You wrote (said) And of course the left will accuse us of being racist because we are appalled at this grotesque crime.
about this topic, on this thread and you are/were wrong weren't you?


Are? Thus far. Were? Past tense. Who knows?

Enough of an answer for you?
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 07 Dec 14 21:31
So now I've answered this clearly burning issue for you perhaps you will do me the courtesy of addressing this issue:

Why have the left and the BBC been so comparatively quiet about muslim child abuse gangs?
By:
call me a taxi
When: 07 Dec 14 22:06
scandanavian_haven   
07 Dec 14 02:50 
I would say anyone that partakes in what is best described as sadistic rituals, is insane. That's where they should be, in institutions, where they can be rehabilitated away from their main influences which is usually the man of the family.

The unfortunate thing about London is that there are too many people, so if you suffer from mental health issues, I would imagine that compounds the problem.


If you had read my very long post on the politics forum, you'd have seen how many 'insane' people live in the forum's favourite London Borough, Newham.

Let them in and accept their culture, that's what Blair and Brown wanted.

And also how all hospitals In Newham have been closed down since the 1970s, to be replaced with just one monstrosity for 310,000 people, with just one exception, East Ham Memorial Hospital. 

It used to be a general hospital with an A&E dept, it's now a 'nuthouse' and every bed is spoken for. 

Fact seems shocked that 300 African boys have gone missing. It just shows what some of you know about life in London, which isn't much.   

10 years ago the body of a black child was found in the bushes just outside the gates of the cemetery in Grange Road in Plaistow. The story goes that a council road sweeper saw something glistening in the sunlight and went to look, it was allegedly blood.

My barber told me, his shop was two doors from the gates. It was cordoned off for a while and costing him business as that was where most people parked. 

To the best of my memory it never appeared in the local rag, The Newham Recorder, it never got on to BBC news, and there was definitely no black and yellow 'Incident - Help Required' board put outside the cemetery gates by the police.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 07 Dec 14 22:41
EO, you are seriously a nutjob.

You've never ripped anybody into anything Laugh
You really do think people scuttle away in fear of your rebuttals don't you?
As I told you before, I just get bored with you.
I feel my honour is quite intact, thanks all the same.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 07 Dec 14 22:48
Some people do Studyform. Some are more than happy to get stuck in. After you've finished dancing perhaps you'll do me the courtesy of addressing my question?
By:
naydam
When: 08 Dec 14 13:07
CMAT. I can't see what your last lost is about (the lat part of it, starting at "10 years ago....".  Confused
Was there a body and, if so, was it the result of some sort of violent attack?
By:
naydam
When: 08 Dec 14 13:08
Post NOT lost! FFS
By:
call me a taxi
When: 08 Dec 14 13:09
Why cant you see it, have you gone blind?
By:
call me a taxi
When: 08 Dec 14 13:12
I've just switched to the Beta forum, and I can read my post perfectly well there, and have now come back to the Classic forum, where it remains in full view.
By:
naydam
When: 08 Dec 14 13:32
It's not that I can't SEE it. It's more a matter of confusion.
10 years ago the body of a black child was found. It then fades into 'if', 'maybe' and 'the story goes'.
But then you say that there was no further action on the matter. It is not so unusual for women/girls to hide a pregnancy...even to the point of hiding a birth. That could well have been the end of the story. It doesn't have to be, and probably wasn't, some sort of ritualistic event.
By:
call me a taxi
When: 08 Dec 14 15:14
You miss the point.

Because of my record on here, if I had said that I actually saw the 'commotion', the road sweeper and the blood, I'd be called a liar and a racist because the child was black, as it never made the local press.

I never saw the cordoning off as I was at work, my barber saw it. He had no reason to lie.

But I did pass the cemetery at least twice a day and there was definitely no 'Police Incident' board outside. I have no idea why  not.

Perhaps it was run of the mill news that month.

I'd guess that was about the same time that an older African boy was drowned in a bath on Christmas Day in Newham, for having 'witchcraft' in him, but that case made the papers. 

As for the murdered African boy in Scotland, I couldn't find it on the Guardian website, but they do have another whole page devoted to knocking Farage, which must please their readers a lot.
By:
naydam
When: 08 Dec 14 15:54
We're (actually, I'M) not disputing or querying that it was cordoned-off. I think that one of the pivotal pieces of information would be the age of the child. Without knowing that, everything is just conjecture.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 08 Dec 14 16:50

Dec 7, 2014 -- 9:31PM, Eeternaloptimist wrote:


So now I've answered this clearly burning issue for you perhaps you will do me the courtesy of addressing this issue:Why have the left and the BBC been so comparatively quiet about muslim child abuse gangs?


Addressing your question:

I don't know, perhaps they were all at the 'Leftie Centre' discussing ways to hide all Asian and black crimes from the "normals".

It's as if you think; a) This really happens, b) I've been defending it in some way (I haven't), and c) It has anything whatsoever to do with the subject of this thread.

By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 08 Dec 14 19:44
If I can address this in reverse I'd say it has quite a lot to do with this thread because not only does it seem as if there is a virtual voluntary D Notice on a lot of these cases but both this one and those go to the heart of the question of multiculturalism. Different cultures do things differently. In relation to your second point I haven't said that you are defending it. What I am saying is that people like you seem determined not to discuss it or the wider cultural implications. Finally in relation to your first point I'm not clear what your "this" relates to. I don't know why it happens. The evidence for the fact that not reporting and under reporting on such cases does happen and is incontrovertible.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 08 Dec 14 21:24
See? This is why I (and I'm quite sure others) won't engage with you on here.
You post something stupid - which you did. Then you turn everything round to the same old, same old.
Then you never stop.

This thread wasn't anything to do with left/right it was about a woman, an African woman, who murdered her son.
Everyone without exception, as far as I can tell, is appalled by this, despite your assertion that they would merely be accusing 'you' of being racist.

But everything in your world is either very good, or the left.
As for "people like me" being determined blah blah etc etc,. People like me have better things to do with their free time than to do pointless battle with you.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 08 Dec 14 21:26
Clear off then bellend.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 08 Dec 14 21:26
That's me ripped into shiit paper again.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 08 Dec 14 21:29
You haven't got time to comment on the cultural aspect which goes to the heart of my point but you will bicker till the cows come home.
By:
moisok
When: 08 Dec 14 22:23
The problem is the multiculturists cannot answer the questions.  Their dream is in tatters and they struggle to defend it but defend it they must.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 08 Dec 14 22:38
No they mustn't Moisty. That's the point. Morally they must but they have no morals so all you will hear is a big fat nothing. Multiculturalism means allowing for things which we may find abhorrent because expressing outrage is a form of cultural imperialism and so the issues don't get reported on and don't get discussed and the glorious mutliculturalist bandwagon rolls on.

Multiracial? If we must. Multicultural? No.
By:
call me a taxi
When: 08 Dec 14 22:40
The Somalis who were in court last week in Bristol: 
one of them gave the defence that it was Somali culture to have sex with each others girlfriends.
The age of the girls seemed to be irrelevant to him and his co-defendants.
Still, the luvvies welcome them here, so that's okay.
By:
call me a taxi
When: 08 Dec 14 22:52
Todays headline stories, from midnight last night, on the Guardian website

.
http://www.theguardian.com/global/all


I put 'Alva' and then 'Clackmannanshire' into the Guardian search box (separately)

Still no word on the African boys murder.

It has also vanished from the BBC television news pages, where regional news hardly ever changes overnight.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 09 Dec 14 22:33
Fantastic stuff LaughExcitedLaughExcited
I suppose the multiculturalists all use a room off of the main hall in the Leftie Centre.

I'm assuming I'm considered now, to be a 'multiculturist' as well as a leftie. Though I have, am not, and have never claimed to be either.

FYI EO - I'm not affiliated to any political group or ideal, I just loathe the Conservatives.
As for being a multiculturist..... I don't even know what that means.

I will reiterate however that this thread, as far as I and most rightly indignant people are concerned, is about the abhorrent crime perpetrated upon a young child and I couldn't give a flying fluck if the woman involved was from Mars. The cultural aspect, as you quaintly put it, is as far as I am concerned, of no consequence. I would be as appalled, as would most people, whatever the ethnicity of those involved.

You really need to stop looking at everything as a political discussion or a reason to chuck a few "left and lefties" about.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 09 Dec 14 22:47
You'll have to excuse my tremulous state studyform. You see outside of an episode of Tales Of The Unexpected where Suzanne Daniel got her truppenies out I wasn't aware cutting out someone's heart was something which went on in this country. Now I find it does. Like I said I find it very sad that any mother would kill their child but to cut out their heart?

Then as Taxi points out we find it isn't a newsworthy event. That's incredibly puzzling.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 09 Dec 14 22:51
You're weird.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 09 Dec 14 22:59
I wouldn't say so but either way you need to lighten up or come out swinging. Acting like Bambi in the road is just going to get you squashed.
By:
call me a taxi
When: 10 Dec 14 00:41
Ground breaking news on the Guardian site yesterday 

UKIP man denies harrassment claims - 917 comments

Tesco shares plunge to 14 year low - 498 comments

'Weather bomb' warning for UK - 283 comments

Ebola survivor sdlams Band Aid - 264 comments

Labour targets Tory reigning men - 132 comments

act now on global warming - 48 comments

'Scottish murder' - nothing there.

'Clackmannanshire murder' - nothing there

'Alva murder' - nothing there
By:
naydam
When: 10 Dec 14 01:37
Probably because nobody has commented. Did you?
By:
call me a taxi
When: 10 Dec 14 01:41
How can you comment on news that isn't on the website?
By:
naydam
When: 10 Dec 14 01:52
Sorry. My misunderstanding. I thought you were checking for comments. So, you mean that it wasn't reported. Hmmm. Strange.

Although I must admit that I've only heard about it on this thread. I don't get a newspaper.
By:
ebulGery
When: 10 Dec 14 11:00
Tommy Toes  • December 7, 2014 12:53 AM GMT 


Not interested in the politics, to me the main point of the story shows just how horrific women can be.

So many reported cases just lately of women killing their children.

Yet they are the 'fairer sex'.

As if.
Horrible creatures.


I agree with you Tommy Toes
there has been an alarming increase in the number of women killing their own children
you see no loving mother, could do this to her child

Not all females do this thank God, I am sure those on here are all loving mothers
most are

But this problem is being deliberately hidden, because men get the blame for everything in todays society
but questions need to be asked shy?
By:
ebulGery
When: 10 Dec 14 11:01
why
By:
call me a taxi
When: 10 Dec 14 12:33
naydam    10 Dec 14 01:52 
Sorry. My misunderstanding. I thought you were checking for comments. So, you mean that it wasn't reported. Hmmm. Strange.  Although I must admit that I've only heard about it on this thread. I don't get a newspaper.


And for at least the 100th time, neither do I.

It was on the BBC television news pages, where I get all my news from, then venture on to the internet, as it's the BBC, to see what hasn't been reported about it.

Like the 'rape' or 'serious sexual assault' (take your pick) in Tower Hamlets over the weekend. The BBC made no mention of the rapists ethnicity, given the area, it was well odds-on that he was black or asian. Other inline reports stated he was black.

The Alva case wasn't a 'murder' on the BBC, it was a 'death'. No mention of how the child died. No mention of the mother, while ALL other news sources at the time said she was African and he had his heart cut out. 

This was after my first post on page 1. 

It was removed from Main Headlines after about 4 hours and tagged on to the 'Tay and Central' regional news page in Scotland.

It stayed on there for about  hours and was then removed altogether.

The antics of Nigel Farage and his crew are much more important to the BBC agenda of slagging UKIP off, he has had different 3 stories in 3 days on the BBC, which not only got on the Main News page, but also got scattered over various regional news pages as well for good measure.

While a 'witchcraft' murder gets hardly any coverage by the BBC, and none at all by The Guardian.
By:
The Leopard
When: 10 Dec 14 12:48
Maybe they have decided it is too disturbing a news item to give it major prominence.

They do not give the nationality of the woman as the Police are not looking for anyone in connection with the crime.

They have her in custody.
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