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No I wouldn't.
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What an over reaction to the whole female gender, all women are horrible creatures because of this happened lol. Women make the world go round, and this is clearly a case of a women who has mental health problems, you'd have to, to do such a thing, if only as much money was spent on mental health as is spent on physical health the country would be in a much better place.
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I've put up with so much cr@p because of family for years and years and years, there is no way now that I'd ever put up with any more cr@p now they're all dead.
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Oh do give over S_H
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Rest easy TT. No one comes back from the grave.
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Women are the very beginning of everyone's mental health problems.
Horrible creatures. |
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Time you took a break, Tommy. You're coming out with ridiculous statements and insulting everyone in sight (apart from your mates)
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I'm rested, Bodil.
Just wised-up recently. Took me a hell of a long time though. |
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Oh do shut up kenny. You bloody berk.
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There has been an increase in evil acts attributed to females.
Anyone who was old enough when the crimes of Brady and Hindlay came to light will remember the shock that was expressed because a female was involved. Same to a lesser extent with the Wests but year on year more and more females have been involved in heinous crimes. |
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scandanavian_haven, we don't know the facts and given our glorious press, what version we will eventually get. As an ex Londonerof 50 years, like many current Londoners I am acutely aware of the many young African children ritually killed and dumped in the Thames for superstitious ritualistic purposes,
Now if the forgoing is deemed mental illness then the perpetrators should be in an institution for the criminally insane. Past cases have clearly demonstrated that these were premeditated, ritualistic slayings. |
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Tommy Toes
I'm rested, Bodil. Just wised-up recently. Took me a hell of a long time though Tommy, a cigarette paper would not divide us on this. |
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Saying all women are horrible creatures probably mean you need to give over Tommy, most wars and suffering in human history are the result of the actions of men. You can't know many women if you think they are all horrible, not logical, maybe you're exaggerating to emphasise your bad experiences?
no point lashing out at me next (you seem to be a mission), I think if women were in power we'd all be better off and they'd be alot less dead people (Thatcher a very bad reference point I admit.) Boxing, I would say anyone that partakes in what is best described as sadistic rituals, is insane. That's where they should be, in institutions, where they can be rehabilitated away from their main influences which is usually the man of the family. The unfortunate thing about London is that there are too many people, so if you suffer from mental health issues, I would imagine that compounds the problem. As for religion, I honestly believe it's the biggest hoax of all time and it has caused more suffering that not, but agree whether real or not it brings alot of comfort to people in this big bad world.(Nothing a nice cup of tea wont fix though  ) |
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Boxing, I would say anyone that partakes in what is best described as sadistic rituals, is insane. That's where they should be, in institutions, where they can be rehabilitated away from their main influences which is usually the man of the family.
The unfortunate thing about London is that there are too many people, so if you suffer from mental health issues, I would imagine that compounds the problem. As for religion, I honestly believe it's the biggest hoax of all time and it has caused more suffering that not, but agree whether real or not it brings alot of comfort to people in this big bad world.(Nothing a nice cup of tea wont fix thoughHappy) |
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Sorry about that, was just about to say I agree completely with you post with the exception of the participants of rituals being insane(legally or otherwise)if you are indoctrinated (From childhood)into these beliefs then they pass for normal/acceptable/necessary in your culture/beief system/religion. to the perpetrators.
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Hundreds of children 'vanishing'
The discovery of a boy's torso led police to look at missing children Hundreds of African boys have disappeared from London schools, police investigating the murder of a boy whose torso was left in the Thames have said. Scotland Yard asked London education authorities how many black boys aged four to seven had vanished from school. Between July and September 2001, 300 had disappeared, and police fear thousands may go missing annually. Child welfare experts say the figures hint at the scale of child trafficking, sometimes for labour or benefit fraud. A previous BBC investigation found some African children were being held by their parents' creditors, so they could claim extra benefits. 'Lost in the system' The boy found in the River Thames in September 2001 - called Adam by police - is thought to have been the victim of a ritual killing after being brought to London from Nigeria. Detective Chief Inspector Will O'Reilly said inquiries revealed 300 black boys of a similar age to Adam had not reported back to school in the three months before his death and were "lost into the system". They are being trafficked, they are being emotionally abused, there are incidences of domestic slavery, there is physical abuse, sexual abuse Yinka Sunmonu Author and journalist Radio 4 report "It is a large figure - far more than we anticipated when we started this line of inquiry," Mr O'Reilly said. Of the missing boys, 299 came from Africa and one from the Caribbean. Despite an international search, police were able to find only two of them, Mr O'Reilly said. Most of those questioned said the children had returned to Africa. While there is nothing to suggest these children have been murdered, a lack of immigration records makes them almost impossible to trace, police say. 'Underground' problem Chris Atkinson, policy adviser on child protection for the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children said children needed to be tracked upon arrival in the UK and called for a register of approved private foster carers. We have quite a large number of parents or families who apparently go missing but actually just move on Tim Benson Head teacher When schoolchildren vanish The BBC's Angus Stickler says part of the problem lies with the custom in many African communities of placing children with distant relatives. The government does not currently force adults who take children in these circumstances, known as private fostering, to register. It fears doing so could drive the problem underground. Felicity Collier, of the British Association for Adoption and Fostering, said the problem was already underground and she called for tighter controls. But Tim Benson, head teacher at Nelson Primary School in East Ham, London, and a National Association of Head Teachers representative, said most children were probably happily ensconced in another school. "We have quite a large number of parents or families who apparently go missing but actually just move on and don't know that they have to inform anyone," he said. Children's register A spokeswoman for the Department for Education and Skills said she could not comment on details of the investigation but the government was "deeply concerned" about any child missing from education. Under the 2004 Children's Act - being implemented this year - local authorities are meant to advise people to tell social services if they are caring for a child. Police and welfare groups hope this will make it easier to track vulnerable children. Shadow secretary of state for children Theresa May said the Children's Act needed to go further, with a system allowing for prosecution of those who failed to register as carers. Staggering figures regarding ' missing black children ' and this report was from 2005 |
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Saying all women are horrible creatures probably mean you need to give over Tommy, most wars and suffering in human history are the result of the actions of men. You can't know many women if you think they are all horrible, not logical, maybe you're exaggerating to emphasise your bad experiences?
Who knows, SH? Perhaps I am - but there again it might be a lifetime of experiences that I wouldn't trust a single woman - and never will ever again. Men may be war mongers - but I understand that (and the testosterone) rather that then the sly, underhand, pure nastiness and hatred of the female sex. Which all in all is far more damaging. |
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Studyform
I can only speak for myself but the point I was making is that it is very sad to see a mother take her child's life. It does happen of course and our instinctive reaction is to feel horror and sympathy for the child and wonder if there was a mental health aspect to it because such actions would usually seem out of character for someone who has brought that child into the world. The issue which may be cultural which I find goes beyond the killing itself is the method. Cutting out the heart is so beyond my comprehension but if it really is a cultural phenomenon which has a home in Africa is this not something we should be discussing? Many things in the past have been waved through in our country in a desire to create multiculturalism. I make no apologies for saying then that we needed to pause and consider this and make no apologies for saying it now. Some aspects of what is acceptable in other cultures I don't want to become part of our culture. This figure of the disappeared which facts puts up worries me. I didn't think I'd find myself saying it but I find the police reassurances and other explanations from care agencies which seem to me to imply that we probably needn't worry because these kids have gone back to Africa far too reminiscent of the hands off approach which allowed the child abuse by muslim gangs to go unchecked. The fact that they can't actually find these kids doesn't reassure me at all. In fact the opposite. These are things which I feel the "soft left" and I include much of our social services, local councils and latterly sadly police, in these type of instances and post Macpherson, just haven't wanted to discuss fully and frankly. If it is starting to bite you then good because it might wake you up. It isn't too late to address the issue of multiculturalism. I see nothing wrong with a multiracial society although given the overwhelming number of indiginous whites we need to put that into perspective hen people tell us that there is an inevitability about anything. What I do want addressed is this issue of multiculturalism. |
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Yes, that's all very nice but it isn't what you posted.
And of course the left will accuse us of being racist because we are appalled at this grotesque crime. is what you posted. The 'left' - is not an all agreeing club of identically thinking people. Who is "US", ffs? You seem to be intimating that you are one of a group who think this evil crime is evil, but the "left" (ie the not "us") do not. It's a fecking dreadful crime, I couldn't give a tosss how mental the mother is, I and I'm sure others who think similarly to me would like to see unimaginably harsh punishment. Whatever you feel about the 'soft left' and all the other stuff, you cannot seriously believe ANYONE will say you're being racist because this (or any other) crime was perpetrated by an African. If they did say it, they'd be fecking idiots, not necessarily people of "the left". So, fundamentally what you posted was, as I said, pointless, argumentative and wrong. |
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"After reading this thread, I'm not sure which are worst; Women, the left, or Africans.
A combination of the 3 must be horrific....... something like....... Diane Abbott!!!!!" That really is a great post, Study! |
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I disagree Study..
I've heard this reported on BBC news (radio) as 'a death of a child'. The community were reported to be in shock but no other details were being released except to say the mother was being questioned. This is not a 'death'. A person who dies of an illness suffers a death. This was allegedly a cold blooded, staggeringly heinous abomination. Would help if the BBC stopped covering for certain sections of society..(and I include their own child abusers). |
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11 out of 10
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Injera illustrates the issue perfectly. Over to you Studyform.
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Who was talking about the BBC and their poor reporting?
As you are already, in my view very wrongly, convinced that the BBC is a 'left-wing' organ, you will justify your ridiculous 'the left don't think this is terrible' with the (possible) reporting restrictions. It is utterly ridiculous to suggest that the BBC or any other part of the media will hide the reporting of this case on the basis of where the people are from. Incidentally, I cannot find any sign of this story on the Sky news site either. Is this because of Sky's left-wing bias? And of course the left will accuse us of being racist because we are appalled at this grotesque crime. So you both think this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is a reasonable sentence? Seriously? Incidentally - It IS a death. A person who is dead has suffered a death. However much you obfuscate, EO, or go into denial or even ignore it: And of course the left will accuse us of being racist because we are appalled at this grotesque crime. is what you posted. |
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Well said injera, not seen much about this on the TV today but they did mention a woman who left hospital with her baby into the cold.
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I am surprised this hasnt got more coverage. An awful crime. How much coverage has and was maddy mccann given compared to this?
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Perfectly put Injera.
It is either misreporting or inept journalism, we know the bbc have some fine people who for them. |
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Has it been on the tv news channels ?
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It's not on ITV, C4, SKY, OR BBC's websites.
OMG!!!! It's a bloody left wing conspiracy!!!!!!!!! They're clustering now... all the people who are the reason to never venture onto the politics forum |
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Delightful was me, btw on the mrs's computer.
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bizarre post by delightful at 2038.
Surely it is a big news story ? |
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One would have thought so, so one might assume there are reporting restrictions of some sort.
It wasn't a bizarre post, it was just by me on my mrs' account I forgot she was signed in. |
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Study - it's not 'poor reporting' by the Beeb or Sky.
It's a clearly defined liberal agenda not to say anything remotely negative about certain parts of society. The riots in America we're told are because 'a white policeman shot a black man'. These are the words the BBC have used time and again. A clear assumption that there has been racism against a member of the black community. No condemnation of the rioters and no awareness that to label the white policeman as potentially racist is in fact racist because it assumes he fired his weapon based on the colour of a person's skin! At no point have we ever heard the BBC or others in mainstream media push the case for black on white crime or to overtly challenge the damaging and downright destructive affect some communities are having on this country. |
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Studyform
We already have a perfect illustration of how what I referred to as the soft left deals with such issues with the many cases of muslim child sex abuse gangs. Brushed under the carpet at the time by police, councils and social services all in the name of multiculturalism and then a very muted response to the convictions. Contrast with Stephen Lawrence etc. |
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I have no time for immigration, tbh.
I grew up in the east end of London in the 60's and 70's and went to a VERY mixed race shiithole of an all boys school. I have no doubt that there are some complete fukcing morons and idealist ex-students with no idea about what living in "multicultural places" is really like, being responsible for putting a slant on everything and using positive discrimination - which is still discrimination. I have seen, and been the victim of, stupid diversity rules which favour no-one really. If you really think that all this anti-racial crap we all have to endure is a left/right thing, you are mistaken. fwiw, I fully agree that racist black people should be pulled about it, I think the not mentioning things like Christmas in case it offends (which it never does) is as ridiculous as anyone else does. There is a lot of unfairness about. You are all spectacularly wrong if you really think the reporting is being held back because it involves black people. Just as wrong if you think it is of any benefit to the 'left' to do so as well. |
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And of course the left will accuse us of being racist because we are appalled at this grotesque crime.
Is what you posted. Doesn't matter about any other story. 'The left' haven't actually called YOU a racist for being appalled about anything, have they? Go on, be honest. |
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Would it help if we all stopped referring to "the left" and instead called them "pinkos"
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What is it you dispute about Injera's post Studyform? The evidence is clear when you look at the reporting of the muslim child sex abuse gangs. Softly softly.
In America the young man who was killed in America was a robber who'd been taking drugs and witnesses corroborated the policeman's story that he had tried to force his way into the cops car and was fighting him for his gun. Said policeman had an exemplary record as well. Still there were the obligatory riots and looting. |