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I've just had a really rather good idea, re benefits.
I've just had a really rather good idea, re benefits.
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The first full time job I had many moons ago was for a small company, about 10 people, he was the tightest shyster I’ve ever met !! Because it was the main guy’s company it was very much every penny’s prisoner in the way he ran his business, which I don't blame him for in hindsight.
It was quite funny because what I did there was as complicated as some stuff I did years later for 8 times the money, but I learned a lot at least. Working for him set me on the path to working for myself by 25 because he didn’t know that I knew what he charged me out to to clients compared to what I was being paid. |
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But then I had to be willing to take a risk and set out on my own.
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So you set up business and stole his clients
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Well done pawras.
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I set up to work for myself a few years and two more jobs after working for him, when I did it was in another part of the country. He ended up selling up in a takeover from a bigger firm and took the money and ran.
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if the googles,starbucks,supermarkets out there are after people dont see why the government wouldnt use this idea with them rather than small buisness,s who may be gone tomorrow,as with all these ideas,we,re talking about the bottom layer of the workforce or are you on about people with skills and experience been touted around for jsa plus a couple of knicker, working for an outfit who cant afford to pay more than a couple of quid an hour doesnt sound like the start of the road to riches,figures already show that 75% of the recent rush to start up buisness,s is at the lower end of the range not making enough to pay taxes etc,gardeners,odd job man,window cleaners etc,2 grand start up to get them of the dole
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"Give incentives (ie the jsa) to SMALL businesses (maybe those with less than £2 million turnover?) to employ those who are claiming. The businesses can then pay it, plus, say £2 per hour, in wages."
How long does it last for? And if not forever, you'll get some companies wanting rid when the scheme ends to get another unemployed person on the cheap. Also, the very similar idea to the above of the govt topping up the pay of unemployed severely disabled people to get them into work was I believe part of what was being thought out loud a couple months back but the self righteous left immediately shut any discussion in that subject area down as discrimatory, as they always do, so the disabled will just remain unemployed. Which was helpful... So, in that vein, any such scheme is "unemployed-ist" and insulting to the differently job-ed! |
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themightymac.
My suggestion is a small wage AS WELL AS the JSA they would be getting. Which the govt could pay to either the company involved so as to make for a decent wage. The govt is always banging on about helping small business, your statement that "If some small businesses need more staff but can`t afford it, then they shouldn`t be in business" is a bit naïve. Father Maguire, Yes, there will be some shady barstads who would exploits such a system, but this is something that happens no matter what system is adopted for anything. I'd like to think there is a way to police it. 1st time poster, The bigger companies/corporations should pay they're tax - this alone would alleviate some of the pressure. They are already abusing the system by getting free labour among the unemployed and using 'interns'. My idea is designed to help small business as well as some of the people who would like to work. It would apply to unemployables or those who are unable to do just any job. As I said, it isn't a catch-all solution. I don't think there is a great big solution to the welfare/job/disabled/benefits problem, but this is just one idea to possibly help with just a bit of it. The welfare state should not be abandoned, nor should we see the return of workhouses by stealth. |
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*either was superfluous.
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still struggling to find out what a buisnessmen thinks someone can add value to his buisness but at the same time only values that added value at 2 quid an hr,maybe he should relocate to bangledesh, thailand etc
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What? It's extremely obvious why it would be attractive to any business, and especially borderline profitable ones or those who want to grow now but lack the capital/cashflow to do so.
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FatherMaguire.
Studyform is right. No matter what the system there will always be some who exploit it whether it is employers exploiting the workers or those who dont want to work exploiting the benefits system. |
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I quite like this idea.
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It certainly has some things going for it not least of which is the rebalancing towards smaller businesses away from the huge multinationals which have disproportionately benefited from much of recet business legislation. It is also a helping hand for those people who do want to work but can't find it at the moment.
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Anything which helps small businesses has got to be worthwhile. Trying to cope with all the red tape and acting as an unpaid tax collector for the government is a nightmare.
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My suggestion is a small wage AS WELL AS the JSA they would be getting.
Read your opening statement where you say that the unemployed person would be paid an extra £2 per hour on top of their JSA, which equates to approximately £3.75p an hour. Would you work for that princely amount? your statement that "If some small businesses need more staff but can`t afford it, then they shouldn`t be in business" is a bit naïve. If one has a business that is so busy that it needs extra workers but is not making enough profit to pay these extra workers, then one doesn`t need to be Brain of Britain to conclude that the business is being badly run, therefore the people concerned shouldn`t be running a business but claiming JSA. |
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I never concluded the idea or made a definite figure, I didn't specify how many hours. It's only an idea.
Also - Many small businesses get no help from banks and are taxed to the hilt, and have operating costs which makes them borderline, yet with help they would have far more chance of being successful. There are 1000's of businesses which only survive because they're NOT badly run but cannot get funding assistance. Possibly a stake-holding for potential employees after a qualifying period would sort that out. |
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would that stake holding be , before or after the government take their jsa back,stakeholders on 2 quid an hr,they,ll be on the board next and buying the boss out with a scratchcard win , ffs
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pawras
id scrub the pavements for the going rate with the right equipment...ie. a pressure washer |
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also cheap labour takes away from the real workforce.
a better idea would be for the government to stimulate the economy and create more and better paid jobs instead of what it is doing now. also cap rents....which in turn would lower housing benefits....that and tax credits for paye people are a massive drain . picking on the jsa society and not even blinking an eyelid at the causes of the other 2 is just plain wrong when your talking in terms of taxpayers money. the tax payer is subsidising buy to let C***s who have skewed the whole system |
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Agreed, GI Jockey - As I say, there are many problems which need solving.
Rent as a proportion of income is so much more than it ever was, but while so many of those who make the rules also own properties they rent out, it isn't likely to be capped any time soon. Stimulating the economy could and should have been done 3 times at least when the billions were given to the banks (QE), if the money had been given to the people en masse instead, most of it would have been spent, I believe it's called the helicopter principle, but I may be wrong. I'm not talking about picking on the JSA society, more just giving those who are able/qualified/and want to, to work, whilst also helping small businesses. |
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Ask any small businessman what the hindrances are to employing people.
My guess is they will say red tape, national insurance and difficulty in getting rid of rubbish staff. First off. Get rid of employers national insurance. Who ever thought it was a good idea to tax people for employing people needs their heads examined. |
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Money Tree cost me thousands!!
There must be a percentage of people that have no possible use to anyone. There are over 12,000 in UK prisons. |