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I have so much personal, and upsetting events, that are too much to post in one go.....
Back many years, at Grammar School, I had a bad accident in the gym!
Taken by emergency ambulance to hospital, where they plugged up my nostrils with a metre of bandage to each one, and then sent me home
on the bus with a tooth hanging on a thread,
No advice given and we weren't living in the world of compensation so, to this day, I still have a dead tooth that my dentist says is remarkable!
Much more harrowing experiences to tell!
Back many years, at Grammar School, I had a bad accident in the gym!
Taken by emergency ambulance to hospital, where they plugged up my nostrils with a metre of bandage to each one, and then sent me home
on the bus with a tooth hanging on a thread,
No advice given and we weren't living in the world of compensation so, to this day, I still have a dead tooth that my dentist says is remarkable!
Much more harrowing experiences to tell!
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wonderful memories for me, the nurses home in Burton was truly an education 
My daughter has had to be admitted to hospital three times in the last 6 months, battling with ulcerative colitis. I can't praise the consultants,doctors,nurses and ancillary staff enough. Nurses in particular have a very tough job ( to say the least). You have to have a vocation to do their job, because it seemed hellish to me. They are overworked and understaffed. They deserve much more than the pittance they're paid. We are very lucky to have the NHS. And we nee to do whatever is necessary to keep it out of private hands !
North Durham Uni Hosp ,went for ultra sound scan appointment 10 am out all done 10.10 
amazing service and with a smile 
amazing service and with a smile
All true Facts but that doesn't make the nurses all saints.
I was in hospital with kidney stones and at one point started fitting. The nurse was yammering away to her mate at the staff desk barely 10 yards away and after a couple of minutes (I was later informed) was alerted only by a patient in the bed next to mine.
I was in hospital with kidney stones and at one point started fitting. The nurse was yammering away to her mate at the staff desk barely 10 yards away and after a couple of minutes (I was later informed) was alerted only by a patient in the bed next to mine.
how much money do you want to pay if you get seriously ill.... i don't have a quarter of a million.
They deserve much more than the pittance they're paid.
You obviously have no knowledge of NHS Pay Scales. Irrespective of pay the main thing missing from the NHS is 'care' from what I can see. Also, far too much money wasted on ineffective treatments, drugs etc etc. which have little or no chance of working. Keeping people alive at any cost doesn't in many cases mean they are actually living especially with Older People.
You obviously have no knowledge of NHS Pay Scales. Irrespective of pay the main thing missing from the NHS is 'care' from what I can see. Also, far too much money wasted on ineffective treatments, drugs etc etc. which have little or no chance of working. Keeping people alive at any cost doesn't in many cases mean they are actually living especially with Older People.
rogerthebutler 01 Dec 14 17:44
All true Facts but that doesn't make the nurses all saints.
I was in hospital with kidney stones and at one point started fitting. The nurse was yammering away to her mate at the staff desk barely 10 yards away and after a couple of minutes (I was later informed) was alerted only by a patient in the bed next to mine.
Yep, I've been in hospital for three operations, and overall my experience was a very positive one regarding the care and attention I received. Sure there were times when you felt you were being neglected/ignored or forgotten. Until,you realise there are only so many nurses covering a number of bays, each having 8 pr more beds, containing people who all need care, or varying degrees. They can't have attention on everyone at the same time.mistakes will happen, they are stretched with too much too do, and not enough staff to do it.
All true Facts but that doesn't make the nurses all saints.
I was in hospital with kidney stones and at one point started fitting. The nurse was yammering away to her mate at the staff desk barely 10 yards away and after a couple of minutes (I was later informed) was alerted only by a patient in the bed next to mine.
Yep, I've been in hospital for three operations, and overall my experience was a very positive one regarding the care and attention I received. Sure there were times when you felt you were being neglected/ignored or forgotten. Until,you realise there are only so many nurses covering a number of bays, each having 8 pr more beds, containing people who all need care, or varying degrees. They can't have attention on everyone at the same time.mistakes will happen, they are stretched with too much too do, and not enough staff to do it.
Facts
That £21,000 goes up to £28,000 without any further career development and there are many extras for evening, night and weekend work which aren't available to comparable jobs lik fire and police and both of the latter work a standard 42 hour week as opposed to 5 hours elss for nurses.
There was a time when nursing was the poor relation. Not any more.
That £21,000 goes up to £28,000 without any further career development and there are many extras for evening, night and weekend work which aren't available to comparable jobs lik fire and police and both of the latter work a standard 42 hour week as opposed to 5 hours elss for nurses.
There was a time when nursing was the poor relation. Not any more.
Not to mention some 'Privately' owned Paramedic Teams these days (sometimes inadaquately trained) ........just saying. Can't blame the NHS for that!
Don't get me wrong I'm proud of the NHS and when I hear some Americans decry universal free healthcare it turns my stomach.
It's just it's not this big sacred cow and they are not all selfless angels on the frontline.
It's just it's not this big sacred cow and they are not all selfless angels on the frontline.
No they are not roger. I was old school, trained on the wards and that is where the training should have stayed. If you're too proud or think yourself too good to feed someone, give them a drink, wash them if they need it, turn them in bed to stop them getting pressure sores then you are in the wrong job and some nurses are in the wrong job. Simple as that. There are also a lot of good ones still.
Burton-Brewers 01 Dec 14 16:24
wonderful memories for me, the nurses home in Burton was truly an education
So was the one at St James, Plumstead.
wonderful memories for me, the nurses home in Burton was truly an education
So was the one at St James, Plumstead.
Dealing with ill, often abusive,ungrateful patients, cleaning up and clearing up, faeces,urine,vomit and blood.Constantly
at the beck and call of everyone. Administering the right drugs,in the correct dose at the right time to the right patients. Dealing with visitors,family and friends. Physically man handling patients in and out of beds and constant administration.A 24 x. 7 balancing act, in dealing with often frightened people in an alien environment, from the minor ailment and short stay patients, to the more seriously I'll. and often faced with dealing with the death of people under your care.
I wouldn't have their job for twice the money.
at the beck and call of everyone. Administering the right drugs,in the correct dose at the right time to the right patients. Dealing with visitors,family and friends. Physically man handling patients in and out of beds and constant administration.A 24 x. 7 balancing act, in dealing with often frightened people in an alien environment, from the minor ailment and short stay patients, to the more seriously I'll. and often faced with dealing with the death of people under your care.
I wouldn't have their job for twice the money.
A few years ago despite every test in the book I had a rare life threatening tumour that had been missed. Only because I insisted on another scan was it diagnosed and operated on. Despite that I have nowt but praise and admiration for the whole lot of them,from consultants down to nursing assistants they are caring, attentive, cheerful, considerate,dedicated...amazing people on the whole ,who put most of us to shame.
A few years ago despite every test in the book I had a rare life threatening tumour that had been missed. Only because I insisted on another scan was it diagnosed and operated on. Despite that I have nowt but praise and admiration for the whole lot of them,from consultants down to nursing assistants they are caring, attentive, cheerful, considerate,dedicated...amazing people on the whole ,who put most of us to shame.
Facts 01 Dec 14 23:31
Dealing with ill, often abusive,ungrateful patients, cleaning up and clearing up, faeces,urine,vomit and blood
Nurses on the maternity wards at Queens Hospital, Romford and Newham General Hospital, don't do clearing up. They refuse. Cleaners have been hired to do it. I would imagine that other London hospitals may be the same.
And up here in the QE2 Hospital in Kings Lynn, a man wrote to the local rag about a year ago:
'When I was a child I was in hospital having my tonsils out. I awoke during the night to find my bed and all other beds in the middle of the room while the nurses mopped the entire floor with disinfectant. I was in the QE2 last week, and under the bed opposite me was what looked like a small piece of ribbon. It was still there when I went home 4 days later.'
I was an out-patient in the QE2 recently. Seated in the 'waiting room' (corridor) waiting to see a consultant, on the carpet under the 'magazine table' in the centre of the room, I saw a matchbox. That was a Tuesday morning. It was still there when I returned on Thursday afternoon. But there are plenty of cleaning staff in the hospital, you can see them walking round the place.
Dealing with ill, often abusive,ungrateful patients, cleaning up and clearing up, faeces,urine,vomit and blood
Nurses on the maternity wards at Queens Hospital, Romford and Newham General Hospital, don't do clearing up. They refuse. Cleaners have been hired to do it. I would imagine that other London hospitals may be the same.
And up here in the QE2 Hospital in Kings Lynn, a man wrote to the local rag about a year ago:
'When I was a child I was in hospital having my tonsils out. I awoke during the night to find my bed and all other beds in the middle of the room while the nurses mopped the entire floor with disinfectant. I was in the QE2 last week, and under the bed opposite me was what looked like a small piece of ribbon. It was still there when I went home 4 days later.'
I was an out-patient in the QE2 recently. Seated in the 'waiting room' (corridor) waiting to see a consultant, on the carpet under the 'magazine table' in the centre of the room, I saw a matchbox. That was a Tuesday morning. It was still there when I returned on Thursday afternoon. But there are plenty of cleaning staff in the hospital, you can see them walking round the place.
Hmmm - I don't think cleaners would be holding sick basins,changing patients soiled garments or wiping patients bottoms or fitting catheters or stripping the beds,
Don't get me wrong please, but there have been too many bad things which I have suffered.
In '93 my wife saw a female doctor as she was putting on weight on her middle and her clothes didn't fit.
She was told she had "Fibroids".
A year and a half later she was admitted for a hysterectomy, where it was found that she had advanced "Ovarian Cancer".
Two cysts the size of Grapefruits.
She struggled on for eight years and passed away in 2001.
How the hell does a doctor, especially a female one, make that kind of mistake?
It still hurts me when I am at the surgery and see "Be Clear On Cancer" leaflets!
In '93 my wife saw a female doctor as she was putting on weight on her middle and her clothes didn't fit.
She was told she had "Fibroids".
A year and a half later she was admitted for a hysterectomy, where it was found that she had advanced "Ovarian Cancer".
Two cysts the size of Grapefruits.
She struggled on for eight years and passed away in 2001.
How the hell does a doctor, especially a female one, make that kind of mistake?
It still hurts me when I am at the surgery and see "Be Clear On Cancer" leaflets!
Six years ago my nephew phoned, as he was at my elder sisters house and couldn't get in as keys were in the locks.
I raced over and we had to call the police.
It was a rare hot day, and having borrowed a ladder they broke in through the landing window.
She was in bed in stifling unventilated air and this was at 17:30 in the afternoon.
God knows how long she had been there, and when the ambulance came, and a paramedic we were told she had a stroke.
She was in a really bad way and was taken to hospital with me following.
She was complaining of bright flashing colours and other stuff.
We left at about 10:00 and next day my nephew phoned the hospital to see how she was, and was told she was sent home at 11:30 and he found her in the kitchen staring at the wall and shaking.
I'll leave this now as the last bit is diabolical!
I raced over and we had to call the police.
It was a rare hot day, and having borrowed a ladder they broke in through the landing window.
She was in bed in stifling unventilated air and this was at 17:30 in the afternoon.
God knows how long she had been there, and when the ambulance came, and a paramedic we were told she had a stroke.
She was in a really bad way and was taken to hospital with me following.
She was complaining of bright flashing colours and other stuff.
We left at about 10:00 and next day my nephew phoned the hospital to see how she was, and was told she was sent home at 11:30 and he found her in the kitchen staring at the wall and shaking.
I'll leave this now as the last bit is diabolical!
Thinly veiled I went to grammer school thread imo
The worst disgrace nowadays is the lack of treatment for the mentally ill
it hardly exists at all.
and yet we are totally obsessed over physical health
it hardly exists at all.
and yet we are totally obsessed over physical health
I'd have to agree with ebul there. In theory the whole concept of care in the community was a good one but as with everything the devil is in the detail.
I'll leave out a lot of the middle bit.
She ended up in a care home and four years later wasn't eating at all and not drinking enough.
Twice they called an ambulance and she was sent back in the early hours.
On the next occasion my sister was there and was told "do you not think it a good idea to not call an ambulance every time she complains?
There's nothing wrong with her, she's making it up"
She was complaining of pain and yet they still sent her back.
Two weeks later she went for a scan and it was found that she had "Colo-Rectal" cancer.
Three weeks later she was gone.
She ended up in a care home and four years later wasn't eating at all and not drinking enough.
Twice they called an ambulance and she was sent back in the early hours.
On the next occasion my sister was there and was told "do you not think it a good idea to not call an ambulance every time she complains?
There's nothing wrong with her, she's making it up"
She was complaining of pain and yet they still sent her back.
Two weeks later she went for a scan and it was found that she had "Colo-Rectal" cancer.
Three weeks later she was gone.
I know a lot abt this having been involved with top medical people was told once "the people get the NHS that they deserve"...........this relates to "time wasters" esp at A & E .......people that know their rights.......demanding ambulances when theres a bus stop outside...........for proper people wiv proper problems U could not be in better hands
Aunty
Anybody who says such a thing as that shouldn't be looking after people. There's a difference between not being able to find something and projecting that on to the person suggesting they are at fault. If your ego is so big that you can't allow for your own fallibility as is the case with some people then they may be better on something like x factor or standing for parliament.
Anybody who says such a thing as that shouldn't be looking after people. There's a difference between not being able to find something and projecting that on to the person suggesting they are at fault. If your ego is so big that you can't allow for your own fallibility as is the case with some people then they may be better on something like x factor or standing for parliament.
Apologies for my last post, I'll work on my timing.
My experience with the NHS is not that good either, my Grandad died of cancer and he went quite quickly, in the space of 6 weeks from being diagnosed, he was the sharpest person I knew and as single minded and independent as they come, to see him turn yellow, lose so much weight so quickly making him look literally 20 years older, having to be changed, fed and watered by strangers was a humiliating end to a life he fought his way through, but what made it worse was the contempt the nurses showed, like he was a burden and waiting for him to die, worse thing was because he was a virtual invalid - the tone of voice in which they spoke to him in, like he was a child is something I'll never forget.
Myself I broke my foot as a teenager at christmas time and waited 12 hours to be seen to. Though there was a very nice nurse from New Zealand who took a shine to me
Nurses no doubt start off with their hearts in the right place, like politicians who think they can change things and want to help, but once inside, the big monster that is the nhs weighs their spirit down, it's a hard job that imo affects their performance and motivation levels.
My experience with the NHS is not that good either, my Grandad died of cancer and he went quite quickly, in the space of 6 weeks from being diagnosed, he was the sharpest person I knew and as single minded and independent as they come, to see him turn yellow, lose so much weight so quickly making him look literally 20 years older, having to be changed, fed and watered by strangers was a humiliating end to a life he fought his way through, but what made it worse was the contempt the nurses showed, like he was a burden and waiting for him to die, worse thing was because he was a virtual invalid - the tone of voice in which they spoke to him in, like he was a child is something I'll never forget.
Myself I broke my foot as a teenager at christmas time and waited 12 hours to be seen to. Though there was a very nice nurse from New Zealand who took a shine to me
Nurses no doubt start off with their hearts in the right place, like politicians who think they can change things and want to help, but once inside, the big monster that is the nhs weighs their spirit down, it's a hard job that imo affects their performance and motivation levels.
I was just going to post the very same thing, Facts.
The thing that strikes me whenever Ive seen the NHS in action is just how disorganised and inefficiently it is run.
You make a fair point scandinavian. The job can chew you up. Seven years and I was done and got out.
Had a month long stay in a London hospital back in 2003. (broken pelvis)
The most important person (my surgeon) was quite brilliant.
The majority of nurses were great. The weekend nurses were hit and miss.
However some of the night shift nurses were a disgrace. I was on a mixed ward where some of the patients were very old.
The night crew would do their first walk round, then move the 'call nurse' button to the bottom of the bed so the elderly patients
couldn't reach it. Obviously didn't want their few hours kip disturbed.
The worst thing that happened was to a lady in the opposite bed to me. Now this lady was extremely large, she had to have a special bed brought in. And even though we were both in some pain and were unable to move around, we used to have a cheerful chat across the ward.
Anyway, the night after her operation you could hear she was in serious pain.
So eventually three or four of the night nurses are standing at the bottom of here bed. The only problem was their English was very poor.
Seeing how much pain the poor lady was in they eventually decided to call the doctor.
It took the doctor about twenty minutes to arrive, he immediately got one of the nurses to close our curtains.
You could tell by his voice he knew things were serious.
After another twenty minutes or so things were going from bad to worse, that's when they pumped the lady with adrenaline. I won't forget the awful noise in a hurry.
Then a few minutes after that: Silence. The doctor said "do any of you think more can be done here?" Again, silence.
She was dead. Internal bleeding I think.
Now I have no idea if the woman could have been saved with speedier reactions from the nurses or if the doctor could have got there more quickly.
What I do know is: If you're unfortunate enough to be in hospital and things start to go downhill , you have a much better chance of the problem being resolved if it happens at daytime in the week, rather than at night or the weekend.
The most important person (my surgeon) was quite brilliant.
The majority of nurses were great. The weekend nurses were hit and miss.
However some of the night shift nurses were a disgrace. I was on a mixed ward where some of the patients were very old.
The night crew would do their first walk round, then move the 'call nurse' button to the bottom of the bed so the elderly patients
couldn't reach it. Obviously didn't want their few hours kip disturbed.
The worst thing that happened was to a lady in the opposite bed to me. Now this lady was extremely large, she had to have a special bed brought in. And even though we were both in some pain and were unable to move around, we used to have a cheerful chat across the ward.
Anyway, the night after her operation you could hear she was in serious pain.
So eventually three or four of the night nurses are standing at the bottom of here bed. The only problem was their English was very poor.
Seeing how much pain the poor lady was in they eventually decided to call the doctor.
It took the doctor about twenty minutes to arrive, he immediately got one of the nurses to close our curtains.
You could tell by his voice he knew things were serious.
After another twenty minutes or so things were going from bad to worse, that's when they pumped the lady with adrenaline. I won't forget the awful noise in a hurry.
Then a few minutes after that: Silence. The doctor said "do any of you think more can be done here?" Again, silence.
She was dead. Internal bleeding I think.
Now I have no idea if the woman could have been saved with speedier reactions from the nurses or if the doctor could have got there more quickly.
What I do know is: If you're unfortunate enough to be in hospital and things start to go downhill , you have a much better chance of the problem being resolved if it happens at daytime in the week, rather than at night or the weekend.
AP, let us have those nice insurance people running our hospitals,then we would find out how very lucky we have been since 1948.Your very good health.FRED.
Just to provide a little context I was ambivalent abut the NHS for some years because I'd seen the good and the bad but a recent study into leading nations health services actually placed ours top judged against many criteria and found that it provides incredibly good value for money.
Both parents had a combined 50 years working in the NHS, and my own experiences with it have been overwhelmingly positive, particularly with the care my mum got when she was diagnosed, treated, but eventually succumbed to cancer. Everyone was first class.
But my most recent experience left me tearing my hair out in frustration, at the total waste of money in the system.
I'm very fit & active, so it's very rare for me to visit the doc or the hospital, but I'd fallen on a icy patch whilst out running one evening, and dislocated my little finger. Couldn't get it back in, so popped down the A&E for a bit of help. Thought it would be a five minute job. Eventually the A&E doctor plus a couple of students all had a go and we eventually got it relocated; quite painful but we all had a laugh at it, and I thought I'd be on my way.
However, since the bone had broken the skin, they insisted I needed a couple of stitches although I thought a band-aid would suffice; but there was nobody available so it would have to be done by the surgeon in the morning. Fair enough, I'll pop back in on the bus. Was told I had to wait overnight IN A HOSPITAL BED!! despite me repeatedly saying I'll go home and come back tomorrow. Then through the night, I was seen FIVE times every couple of hours, taking my weight, temperature, blood pressure, pulse etc. I was fed, clothed in hospital nightwear. By the morning 12 hours after I first went in, they said they were ready to do the surgery. Said I'd wander down the stairs to the operating room, but they insisted the rules were that I had to be wheeled down on a bed by an orderly so we had to wait for another 30 minutes for one to become available. In the operating room, the doc wanted to give me a full general anaesthetic. For a stitch in my little finger FFS! I insisted on a local, whilst I watched the procedure, then I again I wasn't allowed to walk back upstairs to the ward where my clothes were. I had to wait for another orderly to wheel me up in a lift.
And that wasn't the end of it either. They then insisted that I had to wait for the anaesthetic to fully wear off so they could check there was no infection. Another EIGHT hours!! And I had to be in the hospital bed on the ward all this time, despite me insisting that I didn't want to take up any more valuable space, time or hospital resource. They continued to do all the temperature, blood pressure etc checks during that time, and I was eventually allowed to leave 24 HOURS after I came in, with a bag full of pills and painkillers that I didn't want and told them I wasn't going to take (I think I had two neurofen and was fine). When I said I'd leave the pills with them to reuse for someone else, they said they'd just be destroyed as they had already been assigned to me!!
Seems odd to complain that the treatment was too good, but I was stunned by the waste of time and money spent on me, despite me insisting I didn't want or need it, and I'd happily sign any bit of paper to take responsibility for discharging myself. The overwhelming feeling I got was that they were terrified of not giving me the full belt and braces treatment in case I sued them for any subsequent complaint. Make of all that what you will.
But my most recent experience left me tearing my hair out in frustration, at the total waste of money in the system.
I'm very fit & active, so it's very rare for me to visit the doc or the hospital, but I'd fallen on a icy patch whilst out running one evening, and dislocated my little finger. Couldn't get it back in, so popped down the A&E for a bit of help. Thought it would be a five minute job. Eventually the A&E doctor plus a couple of students all had a go and we eventually got it relocated; quite painful but we all had a laugh at it, and I thought I'd be on my way.
However, since the bone had broken the skin, they insisted I needed a couple of stitches although I thought a band-aid would suffice; but there was nobody available so it would have to be done by the surgeon in the morning. Fair enough, I'll pop back in on the bus. Was told I had to wait overnight IN A HOSPITAL BED!! despite me repeatedly saying I'll go home and come back tomorrow. Then through the night, I was seen FIVE times every couple of hours, taking my weight, temperature, blood pressure, pulse etc. I was fed, clothed in hospital nightwear. By the morning 12 hours after I first went in, they said they were ready to do the surgery. Said I'd wander down the stairs to the operating room, but they insisted the rules were that I had to be wheeled down on a bed by an orderly so we had to wait for another 30 minutes for one to become available. In the operating room, the doc wanted to give me a full general anaesthetic. For a stitch in my little finger FFS! I insisted on a local, whilst I watched the procedure, then I again I wasn't allowed to walk back upstairs to the ward where my clothes were. I had to wait for another orderly to wheel me up in a lift.
And that wasn't the end of it either. They then insisted that I had to wait for the anaesthetic to fully wear off so they could check there was no infection. Another EIGHT hours!! And I had to be in the hospital bed on the ward all this time, despite me insisting that I didn't want to take up any more valuable space, time or hospital resource. They continued to do all the temperature, blood pressure etc checks during that time, and I was eventually allowed to leave 24 HOURS after I came in, with a bag full of pills and painkillers that I didn't want and told them I wasn't going to take (I think I had two neurofen and was fine). When I said I'd leave the pills with them to reuse for someone else, they said they'd just be destroyed as they had already been assigned to me!!
Seems odd to complain that the treatment was too good, but I was stunned by the waste of time and money spent on me, despite me insisting I didn't want or need it, and I'd happily sign any bit of paper to take responsibility for discharging myself. The overwhelming feeling I got was that they were terrified of not giving me the full belt and braces treatment in case I sued them for any subsequent complaint. Make of all that what you will.
And George Osborne recently committed 2 billion quid to maintain the NHS. This after it was already exempt from the cuts.
Couldn't you have insisted on going home Danno? They couldn't force you to stay there surely.
Rob - they couldn't have stopped me walking out I guess, but they said the only way I could get the minor surgery was to wait in that fashion or it wouldn't be allowed. That was the "system" apparently. I even said I'd wait in a chair in the A&E waiting room if I had to stay overnight, but they said that the only option was to be put into a hospital bed. They kept going on about the risk of infection (albeit minor), so they had to insist on the surgery. They never told me that I'd be waiting 24 hours in total - I would have walked out it I'd have known in advance.
Also had to miss a whole day of work, so it wasn't all bad news
Also had to miss a whole day of work, so it wasn't all bad news
I am basically all for the NHS and I can’t abide the culture of whinging and whining about everything that a certain class of Brit seems to love doing. But how do they decide what is free and what is not? I have paid thousands and thousands of pounds in my life for glasses and contact lenses and sight tests etc. Through no fault of my own I have terrible eyesight and am thankful that we have the technology today to allow me to lead a normal life. Going back 100+ years ago god only knows how I’d survive. But I do pay. Why isn’t it free? IVF is free(I think), stomach pumping cos you drank too much alcohol is free, sex changes are free, some treatments that cost tens of thousands of pounds to keep someone alive in a not very well state for a few months or so etc are free. Small whinge over, I’m just thankful (touch wood) that I haven’t had to spend much time dealing with the NHS to date, which makes me lucky.
Nothing is free with the NHS, all NHS services are paid for by taxes.
IVF I think is free up to a certain amount of tries, three I think, and between certain ages.
The problem is, because the NHS is so big, the fifth biggest employer in the world behind the Chinese red army, Indian Railway Network, walmart and Mcdonalds, that so many people will have experienced it and in turn the horror experiences they encountered will always be the ones that stay in bedded in your mind and make better stories to tell, so if seems like everyone wants to slag them off, it's not because they are a certain class of Brit imo it's because as Brits we just like to whinge fullstop
IVF I think is free up to a certain amount of tries, three I think, and between certain ages.
The problem is, because the NHS is so big, the fifth biggest employer in the world behind the Chinese red army, Indian Railway Network, walmart and Mcdonalds, that so many people will have experienced it and in turn the horror experiences they encountered will always be the ones that stay in bedded in your mind and make better stories to tell, so if seems like everyone wants to slag them off, it's not because they are a certain class of Brit imo it's because as Brits we just like to whinge fullstop
Second line seems a contradiction, what I mean is after the first three treatments, you go private and pay probably more than what you've paid into the NHS.
danno,if they dont do everything by the book and something happens mr no win no fee will try to get involved
Facts
01 Dec 14 23:31
Dealing with ill, often abusive,ungrateful patients, cleaning up and clearing up, faeces,urine,vomit and blood.
Facts
02 Dec 14 01:13
Hmmm - I don't think cleaners would be holding sick basins,changing patients soiled garments or wiping patients bottoms or fitting catheters or stripping the beds,
Nurses on the maternity wards at Queens Hospital, Romford and Newham General Hospital, don't do clearing up. They refuse. Cleaners have been hired to do it. I would imagine that other London hospitals may be the same.
My response was to your first post, but if you want to move the goalposts with a second post, that's your choice.
You think everybody that craps, bleeds and vomits, misses the floor?
01 Dec 14 23:31
Dealing with ill, often abusive,ungrateful patients, cleaning up and clearing up, faeces,urine,vomit and blood.
Facts
02 Dec 14 01:13
Hmmm - I don't think cleaners would be holding sick basins,changing patients soiled garments or wiping patients bottoms or fitting catheters or stripping the beds,
Nurses on the maternity wards at Queens Hospital, Romford and Newham General Hospital, don't do clearing up. They refuse. Cleaners have been hired to do it. I would imagine that other London hospitals may be the same.
My response was to your first post, but if you want to move the goalposts with a second post, that's your choice.
You think everybody that craps, bleeds and vomits, misses the floor?
I didn't move any goalposts. That's your interpretation. My post referred to patients being cleaned and cleared up, I.e relating to their person. Despite this I've witnessed nurses cleaning a person up and the soiled bed and floor. Often with a sweep of paper towels/disinfectant and into the metal bin.
Despite this I've witnessed nurses cleaning a person up and the soiled bed and floor. Often with a sweep of paper towels/disinfectant and into the metal bin.
I never said you hadn't seen it.
I said you won't see it in the maternity wards of the two hospitals I named, and that there are probably more.
I never said you hadn't seen it.
I said you won't see it in the maternity wards of the two hospitals I named, and that there are probably more.
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